Your Nation's Warships, Batch 3

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

How big of an EEZ do you defend?

[Gallia-]

Asking this question as someone with zero naval knowledge, so apologies in advance.

Say I have an modestly-sized island nation with no standing navy, but a rather robust Coast Guard that acts as a coastal defense force / maritime law enforcement agency.

What kind / type of vessels should I be focusing on?

OPVs with helicopters for sea rescue.

[Velkanika]

Asking this question as someone with zero naval knowledge, so apologies in advance.

Say I have an modestly-sized island nation with no standing navy, but a rather robust Coast Guard that acts as a coastal defense force / maritime law enforcement agency.

What kind / type of vessels should I be focusing on?

You'll want to focus on Offshore Patrol Vessels (OPV) in your force structure. Think USCG Marine Protector-class and Island-class patrol boats and Sentinel-class cutters for the bulk of your fleet, with maybe something larger like the Hamilton-class or Legend-class cutters for the high-end law enforcement niche. For more military operations, the Mark VI patrol boat and Cyclone-class patrol ship in US navy service have the firepower to take on threats like organized crime cartels, pirates, or even enemy special forces teams.

If you're dealing with an enemy nation-state, you're going to need a standing navy with missile boats, submarines, and fixed-wing aviation assets if you want to stand a chance of defending your waters.

[Gallia-]

Unless he has holdings in the South Pacific he doesn't need anything as obnoxious as NSC.

At most he would want something with a deck gun, a helicopter, and possibly a couple boat davits. It shouldn't be much bigger than about 1,000 to 1,500 tons for anything within the same ocean.

[Velkanika]

Unless he has holdings in the South Pacific he doesn't need anything as obnoxious as NSC.

At most he would want something with a deck gun, a helicopter, and possibly a couple boat davits. It shouldn't be much bigger than about 1,000 to 1,500 tons for anything within the same ocean.

That's fair, although having something on the big side armed with heavier weapons or that can host large teams for VBSS would be useful. That could just be my recent reading influencing me, Coast Guard members have consistently been calling for a platform like that for a few years now in some of the publications I read.

[Izukyu]

Thanks for the feedback, folks. I'll be doing some research.

[Gallia-]

Unless he has holdings in the South Pacific he doesn't need anything as obnoxious as NSC.

At most he would want something with a deck gun, a helicopter, and possibly a couple boat davits. It shouldn't be much bigger than about 1,000 to 1,500 tons for anything within the same ocean.

That's fair, although having something on the big side armed with heavier weapons or that can host large teams for VBSS would be useful. That could just be my recent reading influencing me, Coast Guard members have consistently been calling for a platform like that for a few years now in some of the publications I read.

Chuck Hill's blog isn't relevant to baby island countries it's only relevant to major seaway exporter-importers who are targeted by insidious groups of low tech international gangsters. An LNG tanker isn't going to roll to Dublin and blow up half the city or anything. Helicopters can be easily used to deliver boarding parties and davits are more versatile than boat ramps. It doesn't need a hangar, just a pad. It doesn't need anything bigger than maybe a 20mm deck gun, but really whatever's cheapest. If that turns out to be a 40mm mount or a .50 caliber machine gun, so be it.

Unless he is engaged in such valiant tasks as "blowing up boat people rafts with 3" HECVT" or "sinking subs", which he isn't since he has no real navy, his only job is fisheries enforcement. This means outranging the rare automatic rifle (hence .50 cals) or bazooka (20-40mm) and being able to chase down illegal fishing trawlers that only top out around 12-14 knots.

Thus.

Make sure it can tow net cutters to really fuck with the poachers' day.

[Velkanika]

That's fair, although having something on the big side armed with heavier weapons or that can host large teams for VBSS would be useful. That could just be my recent reading influencing me, Coast Guard members have consistently been calling for a platform like that for a few years now in some of the publications I read.

Chuck Hill's blog isn't relevant to baby island countries it's only relevant to major seaway exporter-importers who are targeted by insidious groups of low tech international gangsters. An LNG tanker isn't going to roll to Dublin and blow up half the city or anything. Helicopters can be easily used to deliver boarding parties and davits are more versatile than boat ramps. It doesn't need a hangar, just a pad. It doesn't need anything bigger than maybe a 20mm deck gun, but really whatever's cheapest. If that turns out to be a 40mm mount or a .50 caliber machine gun, so be it.

Unless he is engaged in such valiant tasks as "blowing up boat people rafts with 3" HECVT" or "sinking subs", which he isn't since he has no real navy, his only job is fisheries enforcement. This means outranging the rare automatic rifle (hence .50 cals) or bazooka (20-40mm) and being able to chase down illegal fishing trawlers that only top out around 12-14 knots.

Thus.

Make sure it can tow net cutters to really fuck with the poachers' day.

I was thinking more of the USNI Proceedings, but that works too lol

I agree with most of that, although I personally think that OPVs need more firepower than a 20mm chaingun or two. USCG cutters have a record of struggling to sink small trawlers and other types of fishing vessel on the few occasions they've had need to with even 75mm guns. The problem appears to be that they just don't make big enough holes to flood the target, which is somewhat problematic when you're trying to sink a hulk that already burned, or stop some trawler who is refusing to heave to when making an opposed boarding attempt is risky. It's a bit of an edge case, and it's pretty easy to fix by arming them with short-range missiles or something.

And yes, net cutters are required in my opinion for fisheries management vessels. Nets are expensive, and taking them away from poachers while underway is a great way to handle the issue from an enforcement perspective.

[Triplebaconation]

My coast guard just has radios like Neptune intended.

[Gallia-]

galla has floatplanes because theyre cool

[Triplebaconation]

Likewise, modern passive sonar advances are primarily on the processing end to look for patterns of noise in specific frequency bands.

Modern since like 75 years ago?

Narrowband tonals aren't a reliable way of detecting submarines on par with Los Angeles or Akula outside of Tom Clancy knockoffs. In any case since machinery produces both broad and narrowband noise it's very difficult to "eliminate specific frequencies" without "reducing the overall volume of noise radiated." One follows the other.

"Quieter than x class" most likely means it has lower radiated noise at 1000 hz or whatever just like it does in nearly everything ever written about submarines.

galla has floatplanes because theyre cool

What about yellow slickers and boots?

[Gallia-]

galla puts binoculars in the floatplane so when the sub puts up his periscope he gets yeeten by 5" HVARs and hand grenades dropped out the door from burlap sacks

chad 85 year old anti-sub warfare taktik vs virgin lithium-ion torpedo boi

e: binos have "X-RAY SPECS" stenciled on the side so they can also see underwater to counter underwater camera sub bois

Likewise, modern passive sonar advances are primarily on the processing end to look for patterns of noise in specific frequency bands.

Modern since like 75 years ago?

Narrowband tonals aren't a reliable way of detecting submarines on par with Los Angeles or Akula outside of Tom Clancy knockoffs.

"Quieter than x class" most likely means it has a lower broadband signature just like it does in nearly everything written about sonar.

galla has floatplanes because theyre cool

What about yellow slickers and boots?

the official uniform of galla's salmon slaughtering fish factory fleet

environmentalists hate him!

the dreaded raincoat gay

[Triplebaconation]

I'll see your gay and raise you Portsmouth Bill in yellow boots.

[Cereskia]

KPI-65 Irwan Atoll- Class Combat Ship


Ships In Commission:

1.KPI-66 Far East
2.KPI-67 Salangan
3.KPI-68 Kadingan
4.KPI-69 Spider Crab
5.KPI-70 Ibrahim

274 In service

[Ormata]

KPI-65 Irwan Atoll- Class Combat Ship
(Image)

Ships In Commission:

1.KPI-66 Far East
2.KPI-67 Salangan
3.KPI-68 Kadingan
4.KPI-69 Spider Crab
5.KPI-70 Ibrahim

274 In service

Five ships listed for 'in commission', 274 in service. OK.

Are you asking anything about this? Showing it off? It looks interesting enough, though I'm unsure if the hangar is big enough for the helo.

[New Vihenia]

and i noticed there seems to be a lack of a calculator to predict sonar ranges. At least in open source domain.

[The Selkie]

KPI-65 Irwan Atoll- Class Combat Ship
(Image)

Ships In Commission:

1.KPI-66 Far East
2.KPI-67 Salangan
3.KPI-68 Kadingan
4.KPI-69 Spider Crab
5.KPI-70 Ibrahim

274 In service

Five ships listed for 'in commission', 274 in service. OK.

Are you asking anything about this? Showing it off? It looks interesting enough, though I'm unsure if the hangar is big enough for the helo.

If we assume, that the hangar is the thing forward of the helicopter, we should much rather ask ourselves, what the thing on the hangar is, because to me, that looks like one of these things, which raises the question of where the ammunition for the thing comes from... and why Cereskia's Navy hasn't switched to VLS.
Also, the landing pad is a bit large, innit?
Also, what is the Irwan Atoll- Class Combat Ship's role? ASW, Surface Warfare, Air Defense, floating target?

[Ormata]

Five ships listed for 'in commission', 274 in service. OK.

Are you asking anything about this? Showing it off? It looks interesting enough, though I'm unsure if the hangar is big enough for the helo.

If we assume, that the hangar is the thing forward of the helicopter, we should much rather ask ourselves, what the thing on the hangar is, because to me, that looks like one of these things, which raises the question of where the ammunition for the thing comes from... and why Cereskia's Navy hasn't switched to VLS.
Also, the landing pad is a bit large, innit?
Also, what is the Irwan Atoll- Class Combat Ship's role? ASW, Surface Warfare, Air Defense, floating target?

True. I can't tell but forward of that launcher it looks like either a stack (in which case it's rather low and would interfere with the gun director on the act mast). Landing pad is definitely large, almost like it's designed for two spots but for smaller helicopters.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Five ships listed for 'in commission', 274 in service. OK.

Are you asking anything about this? Showing it off? It looks interesting enough, though I'm unsure if the hangar is big enough for the helo.

If we assume, that the hangar is the thing forward of the helicopter, we should much rather ask ourselves, what the thing on the hangar is, because to me, that looks like one of these things, which raises the question of where the ammunition for the thing comes from... and why Cereskia's Navy hasn't switched to VLS.
Also, the landing pad is a bit large, innit?
Also, what is the Irwan Atoll- Class Combat Ship's role? ASW, Surface Warfare, Air Defense, floating target?

He has a VLS battery... all 8 cells of them behind the rail launcher. Almost looks like someone took an actual SB drawing and started mutilating it.

[The Akasha Colony]

KPI-65 Irwan Atoll- Class Combat Ship
(Image)

Ships In Commission:

1.KPI-66 Far East
2.KPI-67 Salangan
3.KPI-68 Kadingan
4.KPI-69 Spider Crab
5.KPI-70 Ibrahim

274 In service

It seems like the rear-facing radar panel is blocked by the communications mast, unless they're offset along the beam somehow.

[The Corparation]

KPI-65 Irwan Atoll- Class Combat Ship
(Image)

Ships In Commission:

1.KPI-66 Far East
2.KPI-67 Salangan
3.KPI-68 Kadingan
4.KPI-69 Spider Crab
5.KPI-70 Ibrahim

274 In service

Friendly reminder that if you use shipbucket parts you're supposed to use the shipbucket template.

[United Earthlings]

Behold! My first proper(ish) full write-up. (Ironically, most of the information here would be highly classified.)

They probably look mostly like a smaller Seawolf.

Uinen-class hunter-killer attack submarine (SSN):

• Length: 320 ft / 97.5m, Beam: 36 ft / 10.97m
• Cost: $2-2.8 billion
• Number of Vessels: 30 building or in service (ongoing construction program)
• Designed/Introduced: early 2010s
• Power/Propulsion: nuclear reactor, lithium-ion batteries, pump-jet propulsor
• Speed: >30 kts submerged (actually 35 kts)
• Range: unlimited (nuclear)
• Test Depth: officially 800+ ft / 243.8m (actually ~1800 ft / 548.6m, with crush depth 2700+ ft / 823m)
• Crew: ~70
• Armament:
  • 6 x 26” torpedo tubes (26 weapon racks; typical loadout 20 x Mk 48 torpedoes, 6 x 21” MOSS decoys)
  • 2 x 7-cell VLS silos
    • 13 x UGM-111 Fëanar (stealthy long-range anti-ship and land attack cruise missile), or UGM-109 Tomahawk
    • 4 x IDAS SAM (1 cell)
    • 1 or both silos can be fitted with either a lock-out chamber for special forces, or a swimmer delivery vehicle (if those can be carried vertically and travel horizontally) in place of missiles

The Uinen (pronounced oo-ee-nen) is the newest class of vessel in service with the Mitheldalondian Navy. Unlike the previous multi-purpose Ossë-class guided missile attack submarines introduced in the 1990s, the Uinen is a dedicated hunter-killer, intended to hunt down and destroy high performance enemy submarines.

Ironically, the only things that would be classified would appear to be the things you didn’t post as part of the write-up, but considering I’ve been working on basically a similar SSN design {some key differences} for introduction into service in the 1990s for my nation’s Navy, it wasn’t that hard to infer and fill in the missing “classified” bits. Don’t ask why, but it’s become a pet peeve of mine on why the significance of the chosen class name is always the most classified part. Not to worry though, the Commonwealth intelligence services were able to ingratiate themselves into the deepest bowels of the Mitheldalondian government and acquire the information on said significance of the name chosen.

Why the placement of where the diving planes are located is a state secret seemed odd to the Commonwealth, but based on what you disclosed to the public and what our nation was able to gather and infer unofficially, were pleased to see you placed the diving planes where they correctly belong, at the bow. The Commonwealth was also a little surprised to see another submarine SSN class design that wasn’t exceeding 8,000 tons in surfaced/submerged displacement. And finally a PWR output located somewhere between 34 MW & 38.8MW.

In closing, assuming both our nations exist in the same NSverse, given the significance of the name Uinen and considering the Commonwealth on occasion will shadow foreign vessels, for reasons, then depending on the circumstances might activate its active sonar to ping in Morse Code the message of “Hi”. I’d like to image that there is an incident report sitting somewhere either in your government, mine or both, records with the following byline.

“The Lady had a Stalker”. Because if you haven’t guess, I named the new sub class I’m working on, the Stalker class, which is named after a species of shark within my nation’s NSverse.

As soon as I finish the write-up I'll post my design for anyone interested in comparisons.

It looks interesting enough, though I'm unsure if the hangar is big enough for the helo.

Possible like that in the Matrix, there is no spoon, neither is there a hangar.

On Selkie’s point, since no specifications were posted, if the vessel in question has enough beam, two medium size hangers may be on either side of also what seems to me to be a missile launcher like the Mark 13.

[Brogosilavia]

As a landlocked nation we only maintain a few river-patrol craft. This however has been a long-standing tradition in the region, the first being ironclad monitors in the 1870s.



A Tarzan-class patrol boat.

[Velkanika]

and i noticed there seems to be a lack of a calculator to predict sonar ranges. At least in open source domain.

A few models exist in the declassified domain, just not the open source area. IIRC, the Naval Engineers Journal published by the American Society of Naval Engineers has run a few articles that discuss the topic over the last 30 years.

[Velkanika]

KPI-65 Irwan Atoll- Class Combat Ship
(Image)

Ships In Commission:

1.KPI-66 Far East
2.KPI-67 Salangan
3.KPI-68 Kadingan
4.KPI-69 Spider Crab
5.KPI-70 Ibrahim

274 In service

In the interest of helping you improve your art, I am going to go over literally everything I see wrong with it from a technical configuration perspective. Also, if you're going to use Shipbucket art assets make sure that you conform to their standards for legal reasons. Don't steal artwork, attribute anyone that you take art assets from unless they have explicitly cleared it for general use, and use their templates if you use their art.

Starting from the bow:

• The tiedowns on the bow are about 3 times too tall relative to the deck, and are not visible through the drains on the flared bow. Those should be completely obscured given the height of the railing there.
• The deck gun is very far forward for its size - that looks like a 76mm, and should be about the width of its turret ring further aft given the taper of the bow.
• Your bridge looks good, as does the fore mast. Suspiciously Scandanavian as well.
• Amidships is a clusterfuck. Why do you have all those air intakes and no funnel for engine exhaust?
• Your amidships radars are blocked by the foremast.
• Your aft mast has no 3D search radars covering the aft 180° arc, and no illumination radars for that Mk 13 GMLS.
• You put a data link too close to the Mk 41 VLS, which conflicts with the Mk 13 and the hangar.
• The Mk 13 GMLS missile magazine occupies the entire hangar and the bottom portion of the Mk 41 VLS. Why do you even have both?
• You put a navigation radar in the thruster wash from the Mk 13 GMLS. Not that it matters, you didn't leave any space for the exhaust to go from the Mk-13 anyways.
• The doors on the sides of the stern conflict with a towed-array sonar and vertical hangar in the landing pad.