Your Nation's Warships, Batch 3

[The Manticoran Empire]

NSM's range is fine.

I was under the impression that it was limited to 185 km. Is that not true, or are the long-range (500 km or greater) antiship missiles not as significant to modern naval combat as I think?

Depending on the flight profile, the NSM can reach as far as 555 kilometers. However, the long range profile requires a high altitude flight profile for most of the flight, increasing the chance of detection and interception. So what it really comes down to how you want to conduct the mission of sinking a warship. The nations that run the NSM feel alright with the shorter range.

[Gallia-]

JSM isn't NSM.

NSM goes out to like 100 nmi. This is adequate as a primary anti-ship missile.

JSM goes on fighter jets like F-16 and F-35 and it can go pretty far by gliding at high altitudes.

[The Manticoran Empire]

JSM isn't NSM.

NSM goes out to like 100 nmi. This is adequate as a primary anti-ship missile.

JSM goes on fighter jets like F-16 and F-35 and it can go pretty far by gliding at high altitudes.

JSM is being developed into a Vertical Launch weapon for use in the Mk. 41 VLS.

[Theodosiya]

Used NSM because everyone said is the newest and the best AShM so far. No new cruiser, but some ex Kirovs and Slavas is still used, not written yet. So does other older USSR ships. Also, what to do with Sovremenny, Udaloy and Kashin destroyers, Krivak and Koni frigates, Parchim, Nanuchka, Tarantul and Grisha corvettes? Newer ships will eventually replace, but it still years before fully replacing the destroyers, frigates and corvettes, even more for cruisers. Retired ships will be passed to either Naval Reserve or Coast Guard, still with full armament suite. Fully retired twenty five years after retirement from navy.

[Gallia-]

JSM isn't NSM.

NSM goes out to like 100 nmi. This is adequate as a primary anti-ship missile.

JSM goes on fighter jets like F-16 and F-35 and it can go pretty far by gliding at high altitudes.

JSM is being developed into a Vertical Launch weapon for use in the Mk. 41 VLS.

The only difference is launch altitude.

NSM has a range of 100 nmi when fired from a warship and a range about two and half times greater when fired from >30,000 feet or so. Because it glides at high altitude.

This is pretty obvious.

Used NSM because everyone said is the newest and the best AShM so far. No new cruiser, but some ex Kirovs and Slavas is still used, not written yet. So does other older USSR ships. Also, what to do with Sovremenny, Udaloy and Kashin destroyers, Krivak and Koni frigates, Parchim, Nanuchka, Tarantul and Grisha corvettes? Newer ships will eventually replace, but it still years before fully replacing the destroyers, frigates and corvettes, even more for cruisers. Retired ships will be passed to either Naval Reserve or Coast Guard, still with full armament suite. Fully retired twenty five years after retirement from navy.

Buying a dozen Skjolds or something in the mid-oughties to replace all the shitty trash Soviet corvettes would be better than trying to upgrade them.

Not having a navy at all would be a super brain move.

[Theodosiya]

JSM is being developed into a Vertical Launch weapon for use in the Mk. 41 VLS.

The only difference is launch altitude.

NSM has a range of 100 nmi when fired from a warship and a range about two and half times greater when fired from >30,000 feet or so. Because it glides at high altitude.

This is pretty obvious.

Used NSM because everyone said is the newest and the best AShM so far. No new cruiser, but some ex Kirovs and Slavas is still used, not written yet. So does other older USSR ships. Also, what to do with Sovremenny, Udaloy and Kashin destroyers, Krivak and Koni frigates, Parchim, Nanuchka, Tarantul and Grisha corvettes? Newer ships will eventually replace, but it still years before fully replacing the destroyers, frigates and corvettes, even more for cruisers. Retired ships will be passed to either Naval Reserve or Coast Guard, still with full armament suite. Fully retired twenty five years after retirement from navy.

Buying a dozen Skjolds or something in the mid-oughties to replace all the shitty trash Soviet corvettes would be better than trying to upgrade them.

Not having a navy at all would be a super brain move.

Well, those Soviet corvettes are being replaced by a single "super" corvette class anyway, the Cuman. Why would I want a glorified FAC? I could just use a design based on the Saar 4.5.

[Gallia-]

because the nautical territory of poland-lithuania is such it's hardly worth having a navy at all

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

because the nautical territory of poland-lithuania is such it's hardly worth having a navy at all

Glorified Crimean Respublik*

[Theodosiya]

because the nautical territory of poland-lithuania is such it's hardly worth having a navy at all

Glorified Crimean Respublik*

capital is in Crimea, but it have about 1/4 of SE. Ukraine and noticeable SW Russia..

[Austrasien]

Return of the legendary Ukraine Navy and Sea Guard?

[Gallia-]

Glorified Crimean Respublik*

capital is in Crimea, but it have about 1/4 of SE. Ukraine and noticeable SW Russia..

a few fishing boats is fine for such a navy

[Barfleur]

capital is in Crimea, but it have about 1/4 of SE. Ukraine and noticeable SW Russia..

a few fishing boats is fine for such a navy

Plus a carrier you're trying to sell to China but they won't buy it because it's at this point more rust than iron. Don't forget the carrier.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

a few fishing boats is fine for such a navy

Plus a carrier you're trying to sell to China but they won't buy it because it's at this point more rust than iron. Don't forget the carrier.

And the museum ship rust pile missile cruiser you named in honour of your nation. <.>

[Gallia-]

a few fishing boats is fine for such a navy

Plus a carrier you're trying to sell to China but they won't buy it because it's at this point more rust than iron. Don't forget the carrier.

Me: You've been in a coma for 25 years
You: Varyag will never be sold it's too busy rusting

Plus a carrier you're trying to sell to China but they won't buy it because it's at this point more rust than iron. Don't forget the carrier.

And the museum ship rust pile missile cruiser you named in honour of your nation. <.>

Slava is pretty lame anyway.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Glorified Crimean Respublik*

capital is in Crimea, but it have about 1/4 of SE. Ukraine and noticeable SW Russia..

I would like to know how you managed to get a chunk of Russia without being immediately murderized.

[New Vihenia]

Imma start making 1 Tonne Warhead class AShM again See if it's enough to kill anything float.

[Gallia-]

capital is in Crimea, but it have about 1/4 of SE. Ukraine and noticeable SW Russia..

I would like to know how you managed to get a chunk of Russia without being immediately murderized.

he killed the muscovites when they tried to take the clay

Imma start making 1 Tonne Warhead class AShM again See if it's enough to kill anything float.

it wouldnt be but it wouldn't be bad i guess

[Theodosiya]

Out of curiosity, is it possible to have a submarine with combined stirling AIP, fuel cell AIP and li-ion battery?

[The Manticoran Empire]

Out of curiosity, is it possible to have a submarine with combined stirling AIP, fuel cell AIP and li-ion battery?

Theoretically. That just sounds like it would expensive to build and maintain, not to mention probably being a pretty big boat.

[Austrasien]

Out of curiosity, is it possible to have a submarine with combined stirling AIP, fuel cell AIP and li-ion battery?

You don't want such a thing. It will waste a lot volume compared to dedicating everything available for AIP to one kind of AIP.

[New Vihenia]

The best AIP while still wanting to remain being diesel sub would be a small nuclear reactor. Perhaps a closed cycle nuclear gas turbine, using Helium as working fluid. 300 KW plant can "only" weighs about 8-10 Metric tonne. Definitely heavier than comparable Fuel cell alternative, but this allows operation in almost any port as it does not require cryogenic matter handling facility.

The reactor and its associated plant in turn can be made as "capsule" containing the entire core + gas turbine assembly, which can then be removed entirely for maintenance.

[The Manticoran Empire]

The best AIP while still wanting to remain being diesel sub would be a small nuclear reactor. Perhaps a closed cycle nuclear gas turbine, using Helium as working fluid. 300 KW plant can "only" weighs about 8-10 Metric tonne. Definitely heavier than comparable Fuel cell alternative, but this allows operation in almost any port as it does not require cryogenic matter handling facility.

The reactor and its associated plant in turn can be made as "capsule" containing the entire core + gas turbine assembly, which can then be removed entirely for maintenance.

"only 8-10 metric tons". Fairly accurate for boats that displace about 1,500 tons.

[Austrasien]

The best AIP while still wanting to remain being diesel sub would be a small nuclear reactor. Perhaps a closed cycle nuclear gas turbine, using Helium as working fluid. 300 KW plant can "only" weighs about 8-10 Metric tonne. Definitely heavier than comparable Fuel cell alternative, but this allows operation in almost any port as it does not require cryogenic matter handling facility.

The reactor and its associated plant in turn can be made as "capsule" containing the entire core + gas turbine assembly, which can then be removed entirely for maintenance.

Yes.

Though this would forfeit most of the cost benefits that make diesel boats attractive to begin with.

[United Earthlings]

What about splitting the difference as far as costs and capabilities go?

A large diesel-electric attack submarine fitted with an AIP system within the 4,000 ton range submerged and by comparison a small nuclear attack sub slightly larger, but still less than 5,000 tons submerged.

Each design complements the other as far as operational deployments would be concerned.

[Gaihia]

So what about more sci-fi-esque designs? I want fusion reactorz... :3 Tonnage might be harder to estimates though. Also, trying to find a good side view of some ships are a pain, such as the battleship from AC5...