Your Nation's Warships, Batch 3

[Gallia-]

Well at this rate it'll be "American leadership surrenders instantly rather than risk war dead" rather than that, so possibly America actually fights? That would be a big change.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Well at this rate it'll be "American leadership surrenders instantly rather than risk war dead" rather than that, so possibly America actually fights? That would be a big change.

Well let's work towards a big change.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Alright so at present my organization for a carrier strike group is as follows:
1 Aircraft Carrier (CVN) with a carrier air wing of 30-36 F/A-18C fighters, 20-28 F-35C or F-14 Tomcat fighters (Tomcats are temporary until F-35C production is complete), 20 Common Support Aircraft in EW, AEW, ES, ASW, ASUW, COD, and possibly air refueling variants, 6 SH-60 helicopters
2 Aegis Guided Missile Cruisers (CGN) with 2 LAMPS III Capable SH-60 Helicopters
6 Aegis Guided Missile Destroyers (DDGN) with 2 LAMPS III Capable SH-60 Helicopters
2 Fast Attack Submarines (SSN)
1 Fleet Replenishment Ship (AOE)

[The Technocratic Syndicalists]

Time for some carrier aircraft:

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This is a take on the "Common Support Aircraft" concept, essentially having a fixed wing ASW, EW, AEW, and COD aircraft all based on the same basic airframe. The ASW, EW, and COD versions would all be mostly identical appearance wise so I only modeled the ASW variant (above) and the EW variant (below). For better loiter performance I'm using propfans (aka unducted fans) which trade a slight drop in cruise speed for lower SFC and thus better endurance. Both are about the same size as an S-3 which I used as the reference for the design.

[The Manticoran Empire]

Time for some carrier aircraft:

(Image)
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This is a take on the "Common Support Aircraft" concept, essentially having a fixed wing ASW, EW, AEW, and COD aircraft all based on the same basic airframe. The ASW, EW, and COD versions would all be mostly identical appearance wise so I only modeled the ASW variant (above) and the EW variant (below). For better loiter performance I'm using propfans (aka unducted fans) which trade a slight drop in cruise speed for lower SFC and thus better endurance. Both are about the same size as an S-3 which I used as the reference for the design.

Nice designs.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

40 kts
1000 tons
atomic power
Swedish submarine
in 1960
W E W
E
W

[Pharthan]

40 kts
1000 tons
atomic power
Swedish submarine
in 1960
W E W
E
W

Someone plz tell the swedes that susmarins are not also aeroplaneos.

[Gallia-]

A-11A was a true knife fighter. It needed such large wings with ailerons to turn tightly using its titanic prop.

The point is to turn hard and go fast. Preferably at the same time.

Deleting the torpedo room and replacing it with an automatic rotary magazine was another highly advanced concept.

A-11A would be a good basis, along with Lyre and Skipjack, for a very high performance/speed mid-Cold War fast attack.

[Vassenor]

...I think I'll stick with my 214s since I'm firmly MT.

[Gallia-]

Considering the atomic Swedish submarine is historical, it would be "MT" too.

In the same sense that Project 705 is "MT". I.e. it's past tech.

[Halfblakistan]

Was looking at the [url=Silba-class]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silba-class_landing_ship-minelayer[/url] built by the Yugoslavs, thought it would make for a useful, dual-purpose ship. Thoughts?

[New Visayan Islands]

Given that the Sejeong the Great-class is roughly as heavily armed as the ChiCom Renhai-class, and the DoD classifies the latter as a cruiser instead of its official designation as a destroyer, can a Sejeong be seen as a viable successor to the Ticonderoga-class I use in fluff?

[Laritaia]

Given that the Sejeong the Great-class is roughly as heavily armed as the ChiCom Renhai-class, and the DoD classifies the latter as a cruiser instead of its official designation as a destroyer, can a Sejeong be seen as a viable successor to the Ticonderoga-class I use in fluff?

to replace the Ticos it would ideally need a dedicated air search radar to compliment the SPY-1 arrays, and flag facilities for the task force's air warfare commander.

[Gallia-]

It only has three fourths as many illuminators and the CIC is commensurately smaller, so it can't replace the cruiser anyway.

[Laritaia]

It only has half as many illuminators and the CIC is commensurately smaller, so it can't replace the cruiser anyway.

tbf it only has one less and the KDX-III is the Burke clone least like the base Burke, but i can't tell if it has expanded command facilities like the Atagos do.

[Gallia-]

The cruisers' air warfare suite is already obsolete, though. A fully kitted out Zumwalt is a possibly reasonable starting point for a replacement for a poverty stricken country (like America) though. The ideal is still SPY-3/4 DBR.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The only truly viable Tico replacement was CG(X). ;_;

[Gallia-]

Yes you are correct.

[The Technocratic Syndicalists]

Which was basically a supersized Zumwalt with extra VLS, no AGS, SPY-3 plus an enlarged SPY-4 for BMD, and potentially nucc.

[Gallia-]

Which was basically a

Totally new ship from Zumwalt.

plus an enlarged SPY-4 for BMD

Tell me more of this magical world where you can simply attach a air hose to radars, warships, and VLS cells, and pump them up to exactly 25% bigger with no real effort expended. CG(X) would have required another 10 years on top of Zumwalt to make work properly, be twice as big (or more), and share nothing with the ship. The lack of industrial base sharing is why it died. America is morally and politically unwilling to invest in its shipbuilding industry. Or any industry.

If they'd told the Congress that they could use 101% of the parts of Zumwalt and fake this out somehow they would have probably got it, though.

[The Technocratic Syndicalists]

Well obviously, the original CG(X) concrept was supposed to be based on a stretched DD-21 hull but as the program evolved it became basically an entirely new design, although the sources i’ve read suggest it would have kept the tumblehome hullform or at least some form of hybrid design with a flared bow and stern but with a DD-21 style superstructure. Minum displacement to satisfy the BMD mission requirements would have been like 23,000 tons and with nucc being the prefered power option there’s wasn’t really any reason to have hull commonality with the DD-21 anyways.

[Gallia-]

The only CG(X) fitting for the U.S. Navy of the 21st century is the armed supertanker.

Putting the marine back in merchant marine.

[New Visayan Islands]

It only has half as many illuminators and the CIC is commensurately smaller, so it can't replace the cruiser anyway.

tbf it only has one less and the KDX-III is the Burke clone least like the base Burke, but i can't tell if it has expanded command facilities like the Atagos do.

Now I'm imagining what a Sejeong-Atago hybrid would look like.

EDIT: Also, I wonder what a Westernized Renhai would look like?

[The Akasha Colony]

tbf it only has one less and the KDX-III is the Burke clone least like the base Burke, but i can't tell if it has expanded command facilities like the Atagos do.

Now I'm imagining what a Sejeong-Atago hybrid would look like.

The only difference would be a taller superstructure to house the command facilities.

EDIT: Also, I wonder what a Westernized Renhai would look like?

It would be no different in configuration. Why do you imagine there are differences between "East" and "West" in ship design? Type 055 is basically just a Chinese mega-Burke, with some cleaner lines like newer European designs.

[Taihei Tengoku]

The portholes need to be wider to accommodate non-squinty eyes