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Batteries! Do we want to allow ones that are better than Li-ion?

Poll ended at Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:10 pm

No, too much of the world would change if better batteries existed. It's impossible to create a realistic world with them.
2
17%
Yes, we can have denser ones, but Li-ion still needs to be the most commercially successful battery. The denser ones need a flaw like exorbitant price, or spontaneous explosions.
7
58%
Yes, we need batteries that are better in all respects to allow the full spectrum of creativity.
3
25%
 
Total votes : 12

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Ausozera Realism Council

Postby Congreveopia » Sat Aug 06, 2016 7:29 am

Ausozera Realism Discussion Thread
This thread is in connection with the region New Ausozera. If you're not in that region, you're not explicitly forbidden from posting here, but there are probably better realisim advice threads out there.

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Overview:

Welcome to the Ausozera Technological Realism Discussion Thread! In this thread, Ausozera decides (by proxy of elected committee) what technological wonders/societal structures/supernatural aberrations we will allow as part of our regional canon, and what we won't.

Realism Officers:

In the words of Donner land, an ideal realisim officer exemplifies these traits:
  • Unbiased in every way
  • Respected members of the community
  • Knowledgeable of what's being presented
  • Willing to present advice to make the creation work and help the creator
  • Able to put work into the region on a daily basis
  • Cool, Calm and Collected
  • Not easily aggravated
  • And most of all: Elected by his or her community members

The five realisim officers were elected in August of 2016, and are Congreveopia, North Arkana, Die erworbenen Namen, Free Asian Ports, and Empire of Donner land.

Jurisdiction:

Generally anything may be brought before this group. We're expecting to mostly see designs of military equipment (planes, tanks, robots, bombs, etc.), but that doesn't mean that we can only judge those things. If there's anything else (government structure, popularity of a video game, mission to the moon) that needs realism-judging, we're happy to judge it.

We will pass judgement on whether something can be part of the "Ausozera canon", and that's all we'll do. The OPs of RPs can feel free to restrict their RP to only entities in the Ausozera canon, or they can ignore it, or they can pick and choose what to allow. Nations can feel free to put whatever they want on their factbooks. We're not here to establish absolute rules that everyone must adhere to, we just establish a set of standards that people can elect to follow.

Principles:

This is a general list of overarching decisions that have been arrived at by the realism council. It establishes overall concepts of what is allowed and isn't. For example: "non-human populations are fine" or "there has been no manned landing on Mars yet".

  • We have no principles yet.


Judging:

There are five realisim officers. To have something accepted into the Ausozera canon, three or more need to approve it, and no realism officer can veto it.

The process should generally look something like this: first, a nation proposes an idea. If it's a very simple idea (a slight modification of a real-world system, for example), three of the realisim officers might go ahead and approve it right away. Otherwise, they'll probably ask some questions about it to make sure they understand it fully, and maybe even debate with the presenter a bit about whether elements of it are reasonable. As a general rule, the more research you have to back your idea, the easier it is to get it accepted. After conferring with the creator, if the idea works, they'll accept it. Otherwise, they'll describe what's wrong with it in their opinion and how to fix it. If the nation wants to, they can make the suggested changes. Alternatively, they could suggest some other changes to see if those work instead, or they can decide not to try and integrate their idea into the Ausozera canon. This cycle can repeat however many times is necessary until the idea is accepted or dropped.

At any point in this, a realisim officer can veto the idea. If an officer vetos, the idea cannot be accepted into the canon until they withdraw their veto. The veto is basically a tool for an officer to block something they have a problem with until they have time to explain their concern. Following the veto, the presenter (and even the other realisim officers) will talk with the veto-er to try and reach a solution they can all agree with. Once an idea is un-vetoed, it returns to the normal approval process, where three endorsements are required.

Conclusion:

That's about it! Feel free to start bringing up things for discussion, and remember that we're all working towards the same goal here: a happier and more fun experience in Ausozera. Be civil, be patient, and if this feels like a chore, then something's gone wrong.
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Postby Congreveopia » Sat Aug 06, 2016 7:29 am

Table of Concepts:

NameProposed byCongreveopiaNorth ArkanaDie erworbenen NamenFree Asian PortsEmpire of Donner landResult
PAQ-10CongYayYayYayAccepted!
Mars TankUoAEYayYayYayYayAccepted!
Land BattleshipUoAEYayYayYayYayAccepted!
URA BacklogURAVetoYayYayYayPending Veto Removal
Equator BacklogEquatorYayVetoYayPending Veto Removal
Namenian OrksDeNYayYayPending Judgement
HAAIRMSDonYayPending Judgement
RF-38FAPPending Judgement
TerminusURAPending Judgement
F-16GFAPYayYayPending Judgement
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"Close air support covereth a multitude of sins." - Maxim 4

Congreveopia is an advanced MT nation, managed by the artificial superintelligence known as "Nexus". It is very active in global affairs, and loves manipulating nations to steer the future of the world.
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Equator Confederation wrote:Congreveopia has spoken. Do it now.
Vancon wrote:Enter Cong, the smartest of our bunch.
The United Remnants of America wrote:Except for Cong, whom I'm now decently sure is a superhuman being we should probably be worshipping.

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Postby Congreveopia » Sat Aug 06, 2016 7:30 am

Messages from the other realisim officers:

DeN (via the RMB) wrote:I would like to make an announcement:
When introducing an item to be judged, please include as much information and description about the item as possible. This makes our jobs easier, because we have to assume less, and it avoids conflicts. It also sets things in stone, which is good.
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"Close air support covereth a multitude of sins." - Maxim 4

Congreveopia is an advanced MT nation, managed by the artificial superintelligence known as "Nexus". It is very active in global affairs, and loves manipulating nations to steer the future of the world.
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Equator Confederation wrote:Congreveopia has spoken. Do it now.
Vancon wrote:Enter Cong, the smartest of our bunch.
The United Remnants of America wrote:Except for Cong, whom I'm now decently sure is a superhuman being we should probably be worshipping.

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Empire of Donner land
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Postby Empire of Donner land » Sat Aug 06, 2016 7:31 am

Ey, that's a nice banner.

So this is a thing.
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Postby Free Asian Ports » Sat Aug 06, 2016 7:42 am

Yo yo yo, I'm here

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Postby Congreveopia » Sat Aug 06, 2016 1:05 pm

Empire of Donner land wrote:Ey, that's a nice banner.

Thanks!

So, I'll go ahead and start off with one of my pieces of technology: the PAQ-10 "Pack Avenger".

I'm a realism judge, and this is my own creation, so I won't approve it (I think it's probably best if realism officers don't approve their own creations). Feel free to approve if you think it's realistic, or ask me more questions if you're wondering about anything.
"Close air support covereth a multitude of sins." - Maxim 4

Congreveopia is an advanced MT nation, managed by the artificial superintelligence known as "Nexus". It is very active in global affairs, and loves manipulating nations to steer the future of the world.
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Equator Confederation wrote:Congreveopia has spoken. Do it now.
Vancon wrote:Enter Cong, the smartest of our bunch.
The United Remnants of America wrote:Except for Cong, whom I'm now decently sure is a superhuman being we should probably be worshipping.

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Postby Congreveopia » Sat Aug 06, 2016 1:14 pm

Hey-yo, double post-o.

Anyways, another issue that's been mentioned on the RMB is if we'll allow steampunk. I think this is a good thing to set a principle on.

Personally, I'm in favor of allowing steampunk machines within the limit of what physics will actually allow (no airships with more metal on them than helium). Steampunk machines probably aren't very effective compared to modern vehicles, so it might be a realisim issue if an autonomous nation is defending themselves only with steampunk contraptions, but I don't think there's anything wrong with steampunk in moderation.
"Close air support covereth a multitude of sins." - Maxim 4

Congreveopia is an advanced MT nation, managed by the artificial superintelligence known as "Nexus". It is very active in global affairs, and loves manipulating nations to steer the future of the world.
Links:
Equator Confederation wrote:Congreveopia has spoken. Do it now.
Vancon wrote:Enter Cong, the smartest of our bunch.
The United Remnants of America wrote:Except for Cong, whom I'm now decently sure is a superhuman being we should probably be worshipping.

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Postby Union Of Autocratic Empires » Sat Aug 06, 2016 1:25 pm

Hey there realism guys! I had a few questions about my military and wet her they were acceptable or not.
- My soldiers' gear is made to resemble medieval armor. This is purely aesthetic and has no effect in the RP.
- The Mars super heavy tank, our equivalent of the Tiger; scary, massive, virtually unstoppable. They are very rare, really expensive to maintain (operational), and can only be deployed in the defense of Unionist mainland, so this guy's won't appear unless sh*t hits the fan.
- The Land Battleships, huge lumbering behemoths of steel that work as operating command centres, hospitals, artillery bases, spearheads for offenses, baits for the enemy planes and nuclear warhead launCHER. . They are INSANELY expensive, manned by the Unionist Navy, and all but one of them are part of the clunky Mark I models, which are too slow and heavy to work as offensive vehicles. There are only 12, 8 of which aren't maintained to be fielded, and a Mark II called Fist of the Union.
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Postby Congreveopia » Sat Aug 06, 2016 1:47 pm

Union Of Autocratic Empires wrote:Hey there realism guys! I had a few questions about my military and weather they were acceptable or not.
- My soldiers' gear is made to resemble medieval armor. This is purely aesthetic and has no effect in the RP.

Yeah, I doubt that's much of a problem. Chances are it's not that great as camouflage, but camouflage is a kind of inexact science even today.

Union Of Autocratic Empires wrote:- The Mars super heavy tank, our equivalent of the Tiger; scary, massive, virtually unstoppable. They are very rare, really expensive to maintain (operational), and can only be deployed in the defense of Unionist mainland, so this guy's won't appear unless sh*t hits the fan.

My only question is the "virtually unstoppable" bit. We've got missiles these days that will cripple supercarriers and destroy bunkers. I doubt anyone can really build a tank that an attack aircraft can't destroy.

Union Of Autocratic Empires wrote:- The Land Battleships, huge lumbering behemoths of steel that work as operating command centres, hospitals, artillery bases, spearheads for offenses, baits for the enemy planes and nuclear warhead launCHER. . They are INSANELY expensive, manned by the Unionist Navy, and all but one of them are part of the clunky Mark I models, which are too slow and heavy to work as offensive vehicles. There are only 12, 8 of which aren't maintained to be fielded, and a Mark II called Fist of the Union.

Yeah, as long as its lighter than a Bagger 288, I think it's possible. It's probably too tempting of a target to be very practical as a warfighting machine (they'll just get hit by cruise missiles in the opening days of the war), but I don't really think it's impossible to build, just a bit impractical.

The only "realism" issue, to my mind, is the process by which your government bought these, but seeing as Congress can buy the army tanks it doesn't want in the real world, I can totally believe this could happen.
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Congreveopia is an advanced MT nation, managed by the artificial superintelligence known as "Nexus". It is very active in global affairs, and loves manipulating nations to steer the future of the world.
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Equator Confederation wrote:Congreveopia has spoken. Do it now.
Vancon wrote:Enter Cong, the smartest of our bunch.
The United Remnants of America wrote:Except for Cong, whom I'm now decently sure is a superhuman being we should probably be worshipping.

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Postby Union Of Autocratic Empires » Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:10 pm

Congreveopia wrote:My only question is the "virtually unstoppable" bit. We've got missiles these days that will cripple supercarriers and destroy bunkers. I doubt anyone can really build a tank that an attack aircraft can't destroy.

I mean it can take on enemy tanks that outgun it and turn out on top. Air support can beat it like any other tank, but they rarely are unsupported, but if you find it as a tank commander or infantry, you are screwed.
Congreveopia wrote:Yeah, as long as its lighter than a Bagger 288, I think it's possible. It's probably too tempting of a target to be very practical as a warfighting machine (they'll just get hit by cruise missiles in the opening days of the war), but I don't really think it's impossible to build, just a bit impractical

It weighs just like that. Thanks!
And don't worry about that, it is when the unusual tactics come in.
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Postby Free Asian Ports » Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:32 pm

Congreveopia wrote:Hey-yo, double post-o.

Anyways, another issue that's been mentioned on the RMB is if we'll allow steampunk. I think this is a good thing to set a principle on.

Personally, I'm in favor of allowing steampunk machines within the limit of what physics will actually allow (no airships with more metal on them than helium). Steampunk machines probably aren't very effective compared to modern vehicles, so it might be a realism issue if an autonomous nation is defending themselves only with steampunk contraptions, but I don't think there's anything wrong with steampunk in moderation.

I agree. In my opinion, steampunk stuff is definitely possible. However, they are almost certainly inferior in performance to conventional equipment. Steam just doesn't have the same kind of energy density as a chemically-powered device (like smokeless powder or oil-based internal combustion). Anybody will be able to use steampunk stuff, but don't expect it to perform at nearly the same level as contemporary technology.

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Postby Empire of Donner land » Sat Aug 06, 2016 2:49 pm

First, PAQ-10: It looks like a fairly simple advanced drone. It would fit with what's currently available well as a support craft.

Yes.

Autos questions: Everything he's had has been here pretty much before this council was created and even before New Ausozera existed. While some would disagree saying it isn't something that would realistically be in the military, everything Auto has particularly the big Tanks, can exist. So I see no reason to say

Yes.

Steam Power: While I disagree with it being in Ausozera because it doesn't fit the overall theme of our region, we so have our wildly ridiculous things here and there. So as long as they know their capabilities, sure.

Yes.
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Postby Congreveopia » Sat Aug 06, 2016 3:12 pm

Union Of Autocratic Empires wrote:
Congreveopia wrote:My only question is the "virtually unstoppable" bit. We've got missiles these days that will cripple supercarriers and destroy bunkers. I doubt anyone can really build a tank that an attack aircraft can't destroy.

I mean it can take on enemy tanks that outgun it and turn out on top. Air support can beat it like any other tank, but they rarely are unsupported, but if you find it as a tank commander or infantry, you are screwed.
Congreveopia wrote:Yeah, as long as its lighter than a Bagger 288, I think it's possible. It's probably too tempting of a target to be very practical as a warfighting machine (they'll just get hit by cruise missiles in the opening days of the war), but I don't really think it's impossible to build, just a bit impractical

It weighs just like that. Thanks!
And don't worry about that, it is when the unusual tactics come in.

I'd like to hear DeN's opinion on the Mars tank and whether it could actually defeat other armored vehicles, because I think he was one of the advocates against heavy tanks in modern combat before I make a call on that.

The Land Battleships seem fine to me, though. I'll go ahead and endorse that.
"Close air support covereth a multitude of sins." - Maxim 4

Congreveopia is an advanced MT nation, managed by the artificial superintelligence known as "Nexus". It is very active in global affairs, and loves manipulating nations to steer the future of the world.
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Equator Confederation wrote:Congreveopia has spoken. Do it now.
Vancon wrote:Enter Cong, the smartest of our bunch.
The United Remnants of America wrote:Except for Cong, whom I'm now decently sure is a superhuman being we should probably be worshipping.

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Postby The United Remnants of America » Sat Aug 06, 2016 3:39 pm

I'd like to submit all of this: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_ ... /id=105303
And all of this: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_ ... /id=104023
EDIT: Also, cybernetic prosthetics and an Artificial Intelligence creation process.

Do with that what you will.
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Postby Die Erworbenen Namen » Sat Aug 06, 2016 3:41 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:I'd like to submit all of this: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_ ... /id=105303
And all of this: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_ ... /id=104023
EDIT: Also, cybernetic prosthetics and an Artificial Intelligence creation process.

Do with that what you will.


Fuck paperwork

This may take a while
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Sat Aug 06, 2016 3:43 pm

Die erworbenen Namen wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:I'd like to submit all of this: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_ ... /id=105303
And all of this: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_ ... /id=104023
EDIT: Also, cybernetic prosthetics and an Artificial Intelligence creation process.

Do with that what you will.


Fuck paperwork

This may take a while

If you guys want to be technical, you'll have to do this with everyone in the Ausozera Canon, including yourselves.

There's two reasons I didn't apply for this job. One of them was this reason.
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Postby Congreveopia » Sat Aug 06, 2016 3:48 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:I'd like to submit all of this: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_ ... /id=105303
And all of this: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_ ... /id=104023
EDIT: Also, cybernetic prosthetics and an Artificial Intelligence creation process.

Do with that what you will.

*stares at the mountain of different systems to review*

I think that what I will do with that is close my laptop and go to bed.

The United Remnants of America wrote:There's two reasons I didn't apply for this job. One of them was this reason.

Yeah yeah. I'll get to it in the morning.

If you want a preview, I can tell you I'm going to be asking how the exosuits are powered, how smart the Rhinos are, if you've got any sources backing the feasibility of EMP grenades, and maybe some other stuff.
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Postby Free Asian Ports » Sat Aug 06, 2016 3:52 pm

With the understanding that the original creators are aware of their creation's limitations, I see no reason why the following shouldn't be impossible.

PAQ-10: Endorsed
Mars Tank: Endorsed
Land Battleship: Endorsed

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Postby Die Erworbenen Namen » Sat Aug 06, 2016 3:57 pm

Congreveopia wrote:
Empire of Donner land wrote:Ey, that's a nice banner.

Thanks!

So, I'll go ahead and start off with one of my pieces of technology: the PAQ-10 "Pack Avenger".

I'm a realism judge, and this is my own creation, so I won't approve it (I think it's probably best if realism officers don't approve their own creations). Feel free to approve if you think it's realistic, or ask me more questions if you're wondering about anything.


Being as paranoid and as very observational as I am, I have to ask, how heavy is the drone itself, unloaded? It has to be less than 2,000 kg (actually 1,625 kg by calculations based in fuel load and max weight) according to the current stats.
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Postby Empire of Donner land » Sat Aug 06, 2016 3:57 pm

It'll take a while, but that's Beauracracy for you. Never wanted this but it's kinda what we needed.

Actual descriptions would be nice of what's being presented. But everything that's pretty basic Infantry and Armor stuff I'll say Yes, to.

We'll need to find the more contentious stuff like the EMP's and the Exo's that Cong is talking about. And then pass those.
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Postby Die Erworbenen Namen » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:17 pm

Congreveopia wrote:Hey-yo, double post-o.

Anyways, another issue that's been mentioned on the RMB is if we'll allow steampunk. I think this is a good thing to set a principle on.

Personally, I'm in favor of allowing steampunk machines within the limit of what physics will actually allow (no airships with more metal on them than helium). Steampunk machines probably aren't very effective compared to modern vehicles, so it might be a realisim issue if an autonomous nation is defending themselves only with steampunk contraptions, but I don't think there's anything wrong with steampunk in moderation.


I like to think of tech as three things: Realistic, Possible, and Feasible. In other words:
-would someone do it in real life?
-is it physically and scientifically sound?
-can you actually do it?

Steampunk is possible and feasible. But not realistic. It has a TON of limitations. So, does science like it? Yeup. Can you do it? Yup. Would someone do it? Fuck no. Not really anyway. Unless someone is making some wild claims as to the capabilities of it, I'm cool.

--Not Realistic
--Possible
--Feasible

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Union Of Autocratic Empires wrote:Hey there realism guys! I had a few questions about my military and wet her they were acceptable or not.
- My soldiers' gear is made to resemble medieval armor. This is purely aesthetic and has no effect in the RP.
- The Mars super heavy tank, our equivalent of the Tiger; scary, massive, virtually unstoppable. They are very rare, really expensive to maintain (operational), and can only be deployed in the defense of Unionist mainland, so this guy's won't appear unless sh*t hits the fan.
- The Land Battleships, huge lumbering behemoths of steel that work as operating command centres, hospitals, artillery bases, spearheads for offenses, baits for the enemy planes and nuclear warhead launCHER. . They are INSANELY expensive, manned by the Unionist Navy, and all but one of them are part of the clunky Mark I models, which are too slow and heavy to work as offensive vehicles. There are only 12, 8 of which aren't maintained to be fielded, and a Mark II called Fist of the Union.


Congreveopia wrote:
Union Of Autocratic Empires wrote:Hey there realism guys! I had a few questions about my military and weather they were acceptable or not.
- My soldiers' gear is made to resemble medieval armor. This is purely aesthetic and has no effect in the RP.

Yeah, I doubt that's much of a problem. Chances are it's not that great as camouflage, but camouflage is a kind of inexact science even today.

Union Of Autocratic Empires wrote:- The Mars super heavy tank, our equivalent of the Tiger; scary, massive, virtually unstoppable. They are very rare, really expensive to maintain (operational), and can only be deployed in the defense of Unionist mainland, so this guy's won't appear unless sh*t hits the fan.

My only question is the "virtually unstoppable" bit. We've got missiles these days that will cripple supercarriers and destroy bunkers. I doubt anyone can really build a tank that an attack aircraft can't destroy.

Union Of Autocratic Empires wrote:- The Land Battleships, huge lumbering behemoths of steel that work as operating command centres, hospitals, artillery bases, spearheads for offenses, baits for the enemy planes and nuclear warhead launCHER. . They are INSANELY expensive, manned by the Unionist Navy, and all but one of them are part of the clunky Mark I models, which are too slow and heavy to work as offensive vehicles. There are only 12, 8 of which aren't maintained to be fielded, and a Mark II called Fist of the Union.

Yeah, as long as its lighter than a Bagger 288, I think it's possible. It's probably too tempting of a target to be very practical as a warfighting machine (they'll just get hit by cruise missiles in the opening days of the war), but I don't really think it's impossible to build, just a bit impractical.

The only "realism" issue, to my mind, is the process by which your government bought these, but seeing as Congress can buy the army tanks it doesn't want in the real world, I can totally believe this could happen.


Union Of Autocratic Empires wrote:
Congreveopia wrote:My only question is the "virtually unstoppable" bit. We've got missiles these days that will cripple supercarriers and destroy bunkers. I doubt anyone can really build a tank that an attack aircraft can't destroy.

I mean it can take on enemy tanks that outgun it and turn out on top. Air support can beat it like any other tank, but they rarely are unsupported, but if you find it as a tank commander or infantry, you are screwed.
Congreveopia wrote:Yeah, as long as its lighter than a Bagger 288, I think it's possible. It's probably too tempting of a target to be very practical as a warfighting machine (they'll just get hit by cruise missiles in the opening days of the war), but I don't really think it's impossible to build, just a bit impractical

It weighs just like that. Thanks!
And don't worry about that, it is when the unusual tactics come in.


Congreveopia wrote:
Union Of Autocratic Empires wrote:I mean it can take on enemy tanks that outgun it and turn out on top. Air support can beat it like any other tank, but they rarely are unsupported, but if you find it as a tank commander or infantry, you are screwed.

It weighs just like that. Thanks!
And don't worry about that, it is when the unusual tactics come in.

I'd like to hear DeN's opinion on the Mars tank and whether it could actually defeat other armored vehicles, because I think he was one of the advocates against heavy tanks in modern combat before I make a call on that.

The Land Battleships seem fine to me, though. I'll go ahead and endorse that.
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I'd like to hear DeN's opinion on the Mars tank and whether it could actually defeat other armored vehicles, because I think he was one of the advocates against heavy tanks in modern combat before I make a call on that.


That's a general question. Unless I know more detail about it, I can't make an actual judgement call.

However, I ran into some walls here.

1. Weight. Weight is important in deciding the actual possibility of such craft existing. Really heavy objects follow different rules than lighter objects. Just look at the Maus and Tiger for example. The had to do things much differently than with, say, the Panzer III or IV. Heavier objects need bigger engines and more track surface area. They also need stronger wheels, tracks, transmissions, and very good suspension, with the latter might not even existing. In addition, you want to think about such structures and the inside of it. Very, VERY large vehicles are not very hollow, because they follow rules similar to ships: waste no space.

Vehicles such as NASA's crawler move very slowly, and are very large. How slow? One or two miles per hour. But that may be more for the safety of the vehicle it's transporting rather than limitations on the drive itself. The rail guns Dora and Gustav were also special, moving on tracks but actually needing to be dismantled prior to moving, and then set up on site. Same with the massive 600 mm self propelled mortars Karl. And the same with those large mining crawlers. All had to be disassembled (The latter actually didn't need to, but for some obvious reasons, they usually did it anyway).

2. Power. Large structures usually only generate the power needed for the function of the vehicle, but your tanks and massive land battleship needs a lot more power.

3. You use weapons on the land battleship? In other words: recoil, ammunition and crew space. Big guns need a LOT of space, are VERY powerful, and generate A LOT of energy. Most dangerously is the laws of Newton: "Every action has an equal and opposite reaction". So the force of propelling the round is also translated into the force exerted on the structure.

4. Top heavy. Unless it is unfathomably wide, it will be top heavy and unstable.

Until more information arises, I'd like to Veto the Mars tank and the Land Battleship. Not because it may not be possible. Quite the opposite. It very well may be, but I don't know enough to make a proper judgement.

Is that all? I feel like I missed something
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Postby The United Remnants of America » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:30 pm

Congreveopia wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:I'd like to submit all of this: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_ ... /id=105303
And all of this: http://www.nationstates.net/nation=the_ ... /id=104023
EDIT: Also, cybernetic prosthetics and an Artificial Intelligence creation process.

Do with that what you will.

*stares at the mountain of different systems to review*

I think that what I will do with that is close my laptop and go to bed.

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Yeah yeah. I'll get to it in the morning.

If you want a preview, I can tell you I'm going to be asking how the exosuits are powered, how smart the Rhinos are, if you've got any sources backing the feasibility of EMP grenades, and maybe some other stuff.


- Exosuits: I don't know if you mean the power armor or the exoskeletons. The EPA1 Exoskeletal power armor is powered with lithium-ion batteries. The T64 Power Armor used by the Vanguard is powered by xenon-diflouride batteries.

- Rhinos are no dumber or smarter than the other drones, working off of programmed GPS routes, IFF detection software, and rudimentary fire control software. They require a handler for more advanced fire control when it comes to missiles and mortar systems, as well as more nuanced movements. The drone won't walk into a tree if it doesn't have someone around, but there's nothing stopping it from walking through a swamp if nobody is watching it to tell it to walk around the swamp. Same way with a flying drone. They won't fly into a building, but if nobody tells them that the shortest distance passes through a hurricane and to go around the hurricane, they'll fly into a hurricane. Rhinos are children that will do a thing because you never told them they shouldn't do a thing.

- The EMP grenades I use develop from a flux compression generator using an explosive charge as the catalyst. Not tacticool or super-high-tech, but it's effective and tested. The only issue I've found with it is its overall size reducing it's effective range and power.
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Postby Empire of Donner land » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:33 pm

Looks solid to me. I clear it.
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Postby Die Erworbenen Namen » Sat Aug 06, 2016 7:38 pm

Empire of Donner land wrote:Looks solid to me. I clear it.

*rubs pads together*
CLEAR!

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Postby Free Asian Ports » Sat Aug 06, 2016 7:42 pm

The United Remnants of America wrote:
Congreveopia wrote:*stares at the mountain of different systems to review*

I think that what I will do with that is close my laptop and go to bed.


Yeah yeah. I'll get to it in the morning.

If you want a preview, I can tell you I'm going to be asking how the exosuits are powered, how smart the Rhinos are, if you've got any sources backing the feasibility of EMP grenades, and maybe some other stuff.


- Exosuits: I don't know if you mean the power armor or the exoskeletons. The EPA1 Exoskeletal power armor is powered with lithium-ion batteries. The T64 Power Armor used by the Vanguard is powered by xenon-diflouride batteries.

- Rhinos are no dumber or smarter than the other drones, working off of programmed GPS routes, IFF detection software, and rudimentary fire control software. They require a handler for more advanced fire control when it comes to missiles and mortar systems, as well as more nuanced movements. The drone won't walk into a tree if it doesn't have someone around, but there's nothing stopping it from walking through a swamp if nobody is watching it to tell it to walk around the swamp. Same way with a flying drone. They won't fly into a building, but if nobody tells them that the shortest distance passes through a hurricane and to go around the hurricane, they'll fly into a hurricane. Rhinos are children that will do a thing because you never told them they shouldn't do a thing.

- The EMP grenades I use develop from a flux compression generator using an explosive charge as the catalyst. Not tacticool or super-high-tech, but it's effective and tested. The only issue I've found with it is its overall size reducing it's effective range and power.

A couple questions:

What's the battery life on those exoskeletons and power armors?

Is there a difference between passive use and combat use on energy drain?

What's the range on those EMP grenades?

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