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Mero-Curgovina
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Postby Mero-Curgovina » Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:50 pm

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first time doing a sword pretty happy with it.

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:30 pm

Fourdooristan are you still alive because this is actually your area of expertise. <.>
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Gallia-
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Gallia- » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:23 pm

Corindia wrote:
Gallia- wrote:



Eliminate dark lines and use shadow to show edges, as you're sort of already doing, but the effect is muted by the use of black lines to show edges.

Retouch the picture in a raster software like GIMP to add texture to the vector(?) base image.

The way I draw them now is pretty far away from the super early chunky black lines and two tone shadows I started with years ago. Believe it or not that was not a vector image, I was just making everything sort of cartoonish for some reason.


im so used to aliasing i associate anti-aliasing automatically with vector since idk how to turn it on in inkscape exports

but yeah that's good and the advice applies still, shadows denote edges, not hard lines

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Celritannia
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Postby Celritannia » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:43 pm

Gallia- wrote:(Image)

beatings will continue until morale improves

him smashes commies, anarchists, eco-fascists, and anti-nuke protesters

left is constabulary/provincial gendarmes

right is metro cops


Are those Lynxes?

Also, is that a paintball gun or something resembling one?

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Miklania
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Postby Miklania » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:23 pm

Pepper balls would be my guess, although there is some point to being able to tag rioters with paint, so they can be identified later, if arresting them in the moment is not feasible.

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On NSG: I believe the technical term for you people is "malformed conscience".

On society: Until reason and science become cool again, the "enlightened" who profess both but practice neither will continue to gleefully chip away at the bedrock of human society.

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Gallia-
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Postby Gallia- » Sun Jul 21, 2019 8:38 pm

Celritannia wrote:
Gallia- wrote:(Image)

beatings will continue until morale improves

him smashes commies, anarchists, eco-fascists, and anti-nuke protesters

left is constabulary/provincial gendarmes

right is metro cops


Are those Lynxes?

Also, is that a paintball gun or something resembling one?


no and yes

theyre lynx the size of cougars so about twice as big as a eurasian lynx

Miklania wrote:Pepper balls would be my guess, although there is some point to being able to tag rioters with paint, so they can be identified later, if arresting them in the moment is not feasible.


no it's a dynamite gun

it shoots paintballs full of TATP
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Postby Gallia- » Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:24 am

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wee woo

shoots men on roofs and assaults hotels with twin huey 814s

when men on roofs shoot down the helicopters they try to break in through the front door with wheeled tanks with huge battering rams and 90mm cannons

when that inevitably fails they bust in through the underground garage by sneaking in with a pair of hotel trucks and a 30 man assault platoon to secure the garage so the fire brigade (with more officers) can arrive and blow up barricades with shaped charges/high explosives/satchel charges kept in their technical rescue vehicles

so basically theyre the 1980s-90s LAPD SWAT but they dont have any ghettos to go ham(mer) on so they make do with practicing for 1970s-esque terrorist sieges
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Triplebaconation
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Postby Triplebaconation » Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:10 am

You need Nancy Reagan.
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Postby Slavakino » Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:07 pm

Here is my current MBT with a railgun

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Postby Norcourt » Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:01 pm

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Kassaran
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Postby Kassaran » Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:58 pm

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Right now I'm busy in the drafting stages of making the video game fantasy world I've been developing for the last couple years, and I decided to start drafting out sample images. Before I could do that, I needed to bring up the idea of scale and size-to-scale, so using some quik maffs, I got down a generale template for scaling dudes at different distances.


The scale is 10dpi at 1yd, or 10 pixels equaling an inch at 1 yard's distance. It works out to making a man standing at 256 yards a total height of three pixels.

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For the general scales made available and to get a feel for how I worked it out,
Alright, so a little bit of extra information since you were so curious, the idea is this is a fantasy game and Humans are just one of the four playable races. Given that I'm going to be primarily focusing my first Proof of Concept Demo Game on a Human Soldier in this world, I figured I'd start with making the paper-doll silhouettes to get a feel for sizes involved.

First, I wanted to settle the Human Field of View, so a quick Internet Search put the average Field of View at 190 Degrees Horizontally, and 135 Degrees Vertically. To determine the height of the Horizon, I scaled it at being directly center of the Vertical Field of View values listed online, which were 75 Degrees Downward, and 60 Degrees Upward. Assuming a natural resting position on the Horizon, I went to work settling on a scale.

As I mentioned above, I settled on a 10dpi resolution for my game at 1 yards' distance from my player, of course the focus gets sharper and finer with decreased distance, but 1 yard is a decent start. So the scale is approximately 10 pixels to an inch at 1 yard. Since this is the case, I calculated the total angle of Vertical Height that an inch takes up at 1 yard, which came out to be 1.5 Degrees. With that in place, I settled for plugging in the Height of the Horizon in the template to sitting at what would be 60 Degrees below the highest point my picture can reach, which ended up just being rounded up to 6 pixels per degree, or 360 pixels below the top of the picture. Using the same equation, I figured that the Central Focal Point, at the horizon, sat at 570 pixels across my 1140 pixel wide Field of View.

Notably, I didn't put any FoV warping on my dolls, mostly because they were drawn with the intention of representing the appearance of someone in perfect focus directly ahead of the viewer. With all of these points made, I settled in and placed my paper dolls at varying distances, essentially doubling the distance every iteration to make things easier on myself.

At 1o, we get a .6" height (6 pixels) to our field of view at 1 yard.

A 69" man, viewed at 1 yard, is 690pixels or 147o of height in the picture's Field of View.
At 2 yards, the same man is 342 pixels, or 57o of height.
At 4 yards, the same man is 168 pixels, or 28o of height.
At 8 yards, the same man is 84 pixels, or 14o of height.

(NOTE: As you may notice by this point, as distance doubles, the angle of height of the man halves, which made calculations pretty easy from this point.)

16 yards, 42 pixels or 7o.
32 yards, 24 pixels or 4o.
64 yards, 12 pixels or 2o.
128 yards, 6 pixels or 1o.
256 yards, 3 pixels or .5o.

And there you have it, the basic scaling for my paper-dolls which I hope to soon supplant with real(-ish) figures from the game world when I get done building their sprites!


So, anyone have any questions or comments to throw my way? Maybe some suggestions as I'm just starting out and would appreciate whatever could be sent my way?
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Zarkenis Ultima wrote:Tristan noticed footsteps behind him and looked there, only to see Eric approaching and then pointing his sword at the girl. He just blinked a few times at this before speaking.

"Put that down, Mr. Eric." He said. "She's obviously not a chicken."
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The United Remnants of America wrote:You keep that cheap Chinese knock-off away from the real OG...

bloody hell, mate.
that's a real deal. We just don't buy the license rights.

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Taihei Tengoku
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:30 am

surely this would all be easier with vectors
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Drongonia
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Postby Drongonia » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:38 am

Made this immigration poster
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Based on the Australian one
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Gallia-
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Postby Gallia- » Wed Jul 31, 2019 5:53 am

There's no reason for this sorta weird and obtuse manual drafting thing when you can just use Sketchup to draw 3d models and export/convert them as/to a 2d sprite or something TBH.

Or just use a 3d modeling program in general, like Sketchup, draw some dummies, and export them.

For a purely 2d representation it's easier to work with a very basic, simple scale (1 px:1cm, 1px:5cm, 1px:50cm, etc.) and use that as a judge for distances. Man-height will remain constant given an actual height but since it's a 2d space you only need to account for the conversion of pixels to height, rather than pixels to both height and distance from the eyeball. The most basic would be a mrad scale though, which would let you adjust heights on the fly by a number of pixels corresponding exactly to a particular height, which would be easy once you work it out, but it requires doing more math. OTOH, this is fairly basic trig/geometry that is usually covered in high school.

When I did ANTSCALE I went with 1 px:50cm simply because it's easiest to think in but a better ratio for man-height would be drawing in mrads which is a ratio but requires another level of abstraction. It's more flexible but more annoying to translate. So your 256 yds person should be between 7-8 pixels in height if you're using a proper metricated milliradian ratio. If it's not 1 px:1 mrad then it's something else but a multiple of that. Pinecone is 1 px:5 cm simply because I wanted it to be "about" 5x smaller than Vegetable/bagel/redactedscale and roughly analogous to the dead Armoured Acorn stuff.

But no one would actually draw a 2d plane with distances calculated throughout the depth of the image. You eyeball it or go by a photographic or actual reference (this is why Impressionists painted outside!). At worst, you're mentally warping objects to draw different angles of it while doing some very basic trig in your head to get the proportions correct, but you aren't going to scale everything like this, just the few focal objects. Once you get the proportions correct for a particular depth (i.e. draw things as they appear to be in proportionate height at a particular distance, since height is distance, as long as you aren't Quantum Height Man like that dumb hoodie wearing nerd Fourdooristan uses) you're automatically doing the trig without thinking about it.

tl;dr A pure pixel:length ratio will give you what you want provided you know the angular size. Which is a result of knowing distance to and height of an object. Which you would know. You're sorta doing it backwards unless you're actually trying to build a 3d space in MS Paint, in which case you should just use Sketchup because that will do it automatically for you.

Drongonia wrote:Made this immigration poster


Based on the Australian one
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Sad it doesn't say "FUCK OFF | WE'RE FULL".
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Slavakino
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Postby Slavakino » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:14 am

Gallia- wrote:Sad it doesn't say "FUCK OFF | WE'RE FULL".


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Postby Kassaran » Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:22 am

Gallia- wrote:-snip-

Pretty much have the equations I use written down to find angular size, scaled to 10dpi. Main reason I'm doing this is to make concept images based from the in-game world.
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Zarkenis Ultima wrote:Tristan noticed footsteps behind him and looked there, only to see Eric approaching and then pointing his sword at the girl. He just blinked a few times at this before speaking.

"Put that down, Mr. Eric." He said. "She's obviously not a chicken."
The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:You keep that cheap Chinese knock-off away from the real OG...

bloody hell, mate.
that's a real deal. We just don't buy the license rights.

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New Visegrad
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Democratic Socialists

Postby New Visegrad » Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:01 pm

♫And I think it's gonna be a long long time
'Till touchdown brings me round again...

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"Step 19: ensure the tether is securely attached at both ends.
Step 20: ensure the tether is securely attached at both ends.
Step 21: ensure the tether is securely attached...
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The Type 7 Extra-Vehicular Combat Suit is an armoured spacesuit used by the Groombridge 34 System Defense Force. It's fairly similar to many other armoured spacesuits; there's not a lot you can do differently.
Compared to the Type 19 Lightweight Combatives Suit, the EVC is more heavily armoured, and is more specifically designed for operation in a vacuum, with full insulation, oxygen recirculation, and more thruster fuel. Intended endurance is about 2 hours, but the suit can be rigged with auxiliary supply packs for longer EVA operations.

However, unlike the LCS, the EVC is much more difficult to operate in atmosphere despite its motor assist systems. During boarding operations, the EVC is usually discarded in favour of lighter ballistic plate carriers at the earliest opportunity if there is no expectation of depressurisation.

The Type 7's heavy composite plates are removable, allowing the suit to be used in a more maneuverable configuration for EVA maintenance work.


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Scantarbia
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Postby Scantarbia » Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:44 pm

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Trying to combine L-1011 with MD-11

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Postby Slavakino » Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:37 am

Did this thread die?
Military Titoist Republic of Slavakino
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Australian-Serb attempting to finish in Chemical Engineering. Fanatic about weapons, science and history from 1720-2000.
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Postby Anemos Major » Mon Aug 05, 2019 6:24 am

Slavakino wrote:Did this thread die?


I would contribute, but haven't drawn anything new recently.

If and when that changes, it'll be back to shitposting as normal.

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Postby Triplebaconation » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:40 am

Small ship doodle, maybe too small.

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The 197-ft Gloria is the current Lynerian royal yacht. In service since 1962, she was refit in 1985 and 2011. Two 1200-hp Coxham diesels propel her at a maximum speed of 15 knots. Her tasteful interior includes historic whale foreskin leather furniture from the previous royal yacht Scout, and she is fitted with the most modern communication systems. Gloria is somewhat humble by modern standards, but there are currently no plans to replace her.
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Kassaran
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Postby Kassaran » Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:12 am

Triplebaconation wrote:Small ship doodle, maybe too small.
Her tasteful interior includes historic whale foreskin leather furniture from the previous royal yacht Scout,


"whale foreskin leather"

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Zarkenis Ultima wrote:Tristan noticed footsteps behind him and looked there, only to see Eric approaching and then pointing his sword at the girl. He just blinked a few times at this before speaking.

"Put that down, Mr. Eric." He said. "She's obviously not a chicken."
The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:You keep that cheap Chinese knock-off away from the real OG...

bloody hell, mate.
that's a real deal. We just don't buy the license rights.

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