Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:20 am
futur interceptor and accompanying scout UAV
gonna colour and do a writeup but tired now
Because sometimes even national leaders just want to hang out
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NeuroNet wrote:Love these vehicles! (Not my scale, but the detail is well done.)
I suggest a tweak just to the descriptions. If you're going to field wheeled APCs with a high suspension, may as well include that they have shaped MRAP hull bottoms. Two layers of protection if you have blast resistant seats already, and a shaped bottom could imply better amphibious ability for crossing rivers, essential for rapidly mobile light forces.
NeuroNet wrote:
For the vehicle top right, next to the Merkava and over the Abrams...
Question: What caliber is the gun system sticking out between the Chaparral/Sidewinder rails in the turret? IMHO the turret is a tiny box barely room enough for an operator, but if you remove the crew seat, I don't expect there's room for a gun mounting, recoil mechanism and loading assembly for any large caliber (over 30mm) piece...
Anemos Major wrote:you're absolutely right, the APCs are designed to fit V-hulls (though in retrospect, the lineart could perhaps better reflect this) - that having been said, there isn't enough room on the small graphic to describe this, so it'll probably have to be mentioned in the upcoming write-up. The amphibious thing is rather critical though, and I hope to draw up an MA12 fitted with waterjets at some point soon.
Manokan Republic wrote:
NeuroNet wrote:That does clear things up. I always picture the gun mounts as I remember them from my days in the Fleet (USN). You tend to have the action, stabilizing suspension in the mount, etc. My eye saw that gun barrel as a copy of the Merkava main gun, very thick. Perhaps for later versions of the drawing, it could be thinned out with a smaller caliber barrel look, as 20-30mm dual purpose guns don't need giant thermal sleeves due to rates of fire and ease of swapping out a bad barrel compared to that of a tank.
Anemos Major wrote:
That's me! To this day I regret not choosing a DeviantArt username that's not more immediately relevant to my NS nation, but alas, it's maybe a bit too late to correct that.
If you go back far enough on one of these threads, you can actually find the discussions that we had prior to the lineart considering the effectiveness of the concept! Much like the Otomatic that got me thinking down these lines, the essence of the design is its inherent trade-off - on one hand, yes, it has sufficient reach to challenge today's breed of attack helicopters more effectively than a 35mm weapons system, but you pay the price in terms of ammunition stowage (which decreases steeply as a result of the vastly larger rounds). What that means is that it's highly unlikely that such a vehicle would actually be able to serve as a dual role air/ground support vehicle, because when you're an anti-air vehicle with a stowed ammo capacity of ~70 rounds, you're going to need all of those to be AA optimised.
That's not to say that I think the core principle is necessarily a bad one; with developments in contemporary smart rounds, it's probably going to be fairly good at hitting helicopters and drones. It's just not going to be trawling around the battlefield destroying anything lighter than a tank, sadly.
Manokan Republic wrote:Hehe, I understand, but I figure that you could still shoot an APC as there's a lot of cross over between anti-aircraft armor piercing rounds and anti-vehicle one's, although, it wouldn't be as good for anti-vehicle work. But since it's so crazy powerful, it would perform alright.
Manokan Republic wrote:Also smart rounds are the way to go! I recently found a 76mm AA-gun that has similiar properties to what you might want this one to be, with smart rounds and everything, so that's promising in terms of ballistics although, it's rather huge, particularly given it's not a chain-gun or similiar weapon. It holds 80 rounds and is only 7.5 tons, so as a turret, even in it's exact configuration as it is now, it's not that bad. It has a 20km range with the DART rounds fairly easily, so that's pretty nice helicopter engagement. The 40km is only against ground targets, utilizing "Vulcano" rounds which fly extremely high in the air, and then free-fall the rest of the way to be guided to target.
Korva wrote:
Anemos Major wrote:Manokan Republic wrote:Hehe, I understand, but I figure that you could still shoot an APC as there's a lot of cross over between anti-aircraft armor piercing rounds and anti-vehicle one's, although, it wouldn't be as good for anti-vehicle work. But since it's so crazy powerful, it would perform alright.
Probably not, actually - an AHEAD round might have some luck shattering the external sensors of a vehicle (maybe), but it's probably better used against its intended targets. Even loading, say, a handful of APFSDS rounds for anti-vehicle work would be shaving a shocking amount of stored AA capability off the vehicle - in an ideal world, you'd have some other vehicle with a big cannon to stop vehicles from getting to your SPAAG
So, funnily enough...
My idea isn't the most original thing in the world - what I sought to do was essentially to bring together the Otomatic and the Pantsir in one handy turret!
Anglomir wrote:How would I go about making my own custom soldiers and tanks with the waving custom flags on the tanks or insignia on the uniforms as seen in some of these photos?
Manokan Republic wrote:Anglomir wrote:How would I go about making my own custom soldiers and tanks with the waving custom flags on the tanks or insignia on the uniforms as seen in some of these photos?
You have to be really good at drawing. I'm a cheater-cheater pumpkin-eater, so I steal/copy other people's drawing and modify them slightly. Sometimes they turn out completely different, so you can sort of think of it as drawing over an existing stencil. Eventually you can change so much it's nothing like the original, but it's still basically stealing.