NS Military Realism Consultancy Thread Mk X Purps Safe Space

[Ardavia]

talkin bout engine position.

Is Swedish's stridsvagn 2000 front engined or rear engined ;w; ?

looking at these drawings of the prototype, it appears to have had a rear engine placement

but some of the concepts called for a frontal engine (the O-140 concept with its unmanned turret, for one)

[The Soodean Imperium]

Another of my Battalion ORBATs, this time the Marine Infantry. I retained the 40mm CTA on the IFVs on the assumption that Oyashimese designers reduced the propellant problems, and if not then it will make for an interesting writeup a few years from now. I also decided to go with 120mm gun-mortar-carriers instead of light tanks, which I'm putting in a separate Battalion whose elements would be cross-attached in practice. I also changed one company to Light Infantry, with more organic support; these could be deployed by helicopter to cut off enemy reinforcements, or by conventional landing craft to assist the first wave in securing a beachhead. The unit is Class 4 (ignore the url fail) with the latest service equipment available in 2015, as the Marine Infantry get priority over regular Army units in procurement. All combat vehicles are amphibious with propellers or waterjets, allowing them to swim the distance to the beach if necessary.

Is the headquarters adequate? Soviet and Russian Battalion HQs are pretty minimal so I ended up dumping in some Swiss and British things from Shipbucket ORBATs, IDK if it makes any sense though.

talkin bout engine position.

Is Swedish's stridsvagn 2000 front engined or rear engined ;w; ?

looking at these drawings of the prototype, it appears to have had a rear engine placement

but some of the concepts called for a frontal engine (the O-140 concept with its unmanned turret, for one)

Both of those drawings seem to suggest a front-left engine. IDK what the rear vents are for but the first drawing clearly shows "Motor" and "Transmission" (?) going in the front and ammunition storage in the back.

[The Kievan People]

Strv 2000 had a frontal engine.

[EsToVnIa]

confirming that frontal engine = best placement

[Gallia-]

confirming that frontal engine = best placement

well

strv 2000 actually had no engine placement because it was a wooden box

and it was sweden's second attempt at making an MBT after reinventing the stug

it is somewhat impressive how such a tiny country managed to make airplanes i guess

but then sweden always operated more Centurions than it ever had Strv 103

[Purpelia]

If the engine is supposed to be in the front why is the cooling system in the back? Also, the ammo storage arrow is pointing at the back of the turret and not the back of the hull.

[The Kievan People]

Probably because they put the engine exhaust on the front of the Strv 103 only to realize the heat haze could block the crews vision. I really have no idea why they didn't just use side vents though.

Not much on the internal configuration of the Strv 2000 has been published, in English at least, but it probably had ammo in the bustle and hull.

[The Akasha Colony]

If the engine is supposed to be in the front why is the cooling system in the back? Also, the ammo storage arrow is pointing at the back of the turret and not the back of the hull.

Possibly because it's less vulnerable in the back than in the front. If it's a liquid-cooled engine then you can just run the radiator piping to the rear and put the radiators there.

In the rear they can be less protected, which is important because armored grating to allow the passage of air into/out of the engine weighs three times as much as regular solid armor. A rear radiator needs less of this, and these weight savings outweigh the slight increase needed for the piping.

[Gallia-]

If the engine is supposed to be in the front why is the cooling system in the back?

Because kylsystem means "exhaust", not "cooling system". I mean it literally means "cooling system" I guess, but that's like saying the Japanese have "coil leaf" hulls. It is in the back, presumably, for smoke generation, and all the other reasons tanks have their exhaust in the back.

http://www.ointres.se/strv_2000_koncept_t3-sida-web.jpg

This is how most of them looked internally, more or less. The driver station was mirrored to the left side though.

Probably because they put the engine exhaust on the front of the Strv 103 only to realize the heat haze could block the crews vision. I really have no idea why they didn't just use side vents though.

Not much on the internal configuration of the Strv 2000 has been published, in English at least, but it probably had ammo in the bustle and hull.

Yeah, it had ammunition stored in the back hull. Depending on the tank, it was either a magazine for the automatic loader, like some sort of rotten fish eating Teledyne LPT (aka the picture to troll EVERYONE in the world), or just reserve rounds that could be loaded into the magazine.

I imagine the lack of a side exhaust port is because those are dumb and get bullets in them? Most all Strv 2000 pictures show it with hefty side applique, to stop shaped charges. I guess a side exhaust would interfere with that, if it was considered ultra important.

[Purpelia]

Because kylsystem means "exhaust", not "cooling system". I mean it literally means "cooling system" I guess, but that's like saying the Japanese have "coil leaf" hulls. It is in the back, presumably, for smoke generation, and all the other reasons tanks have their exhaust in the back.

http://www.ointres.se/strv_2000_koncept_t3-sida-web.jpg

This is how most of them looked internally, more or less. The driver station was mirrored to the left side though

Interesting, thanks. That will teach me to try and apply German to try and translate Swedish.

[Gallia-]

Or maybe you should just use your brain instead of Google translate and think "what does a grill labelled 'cooling system' do for a tank?" and come to the conclusion that it's the exhaust.

That's the easiest path.

You took the difficult one.

Work intelligent.

[Purpelia]

Or maybe you should just use your brain instead of Google translate and think "what does a grill labelled 'cooling system' do for a tank?" and come to the conclusion that it's the exhaust.

That's the easiest path.

You took the difficult one.

Work intelligent.

I did not use any translation program. I just went Well, this sounds about like "cooling system" in German and Swedish can't be that different, right?

[Spirit of Hope]

Another of my Battalion ORBATs, this time the Marine Infantry. I retained the 40mm CTA on the IFVs on the assumption that Oyashimese designers reduced the propellant problems, and if not then it will make for an interesting writeup a few years from now. I also decided to go with 120mm gun-mortar-carriers instead of light tanks, which I'm putting in a separate Battalion whose elements would be cross-attached in practice. I also changed one company to Light Infantry, with more organic support; these could be deployed by helicopter to cut off enemy reinforcements, or by conventional landing craft to assist the first wave in securing a beachhead. The unit is Class 4 (ignore the url fail) with the latest service equipment available in 2015, as the Marine Infantry get priority over regular Army units in procurement. All combat vehicles are amphibious with propellers or waterjets, allowing them to swim the distance to the beach if necessary.

Is the headquarters adequate? Soviet and Russian Battalion HQs are pretty minimal so I ended up dumping in some Swiss and British things from Shipbucket ORBATs, IDK if it makes any sense though.
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My only real comment is that it looks like you have a lot of snipers, I would expect less than 6 snipers/spotter pairs. You appear to have 12 such pairs. I feel like the light infantry company would be better as a regular company, and any missions it would have going to dedicated light infantry battalion, if one is around. At worst they can deploy by helicopter and simply meet up with their vehicles at another time, though I do note the light infantry company has ATGM's instead of manpads.

[Imperializt Russia]

To be honest, if I see it translate to "cooling system", based on a basic understanding of automotive components, I'm going to assume it's the engine radiator, not the exhaust.

The exhaust does take hot air away from the engine, but it's not really a "cooling system".

[Gallia-]

The engine was MTU 883.

[Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502]

So, others here have commented on how American officers have pretty generally been unwilling to go on the offensive without superiority in air or artillery support, even when armies of other nationalities have done the same and still been victorious. Is this because Americans are very casualty-averse? Or because it worked in WWII and that was the last time America won anything?

[Questers]

Materialschlact wins wars.

[Gallia-]

Materialschlact wins wars.

is this leading into a "PRC uber alles" thing

[Questers]

Materialschlact wins wars.

is this leading into a "PRC uber alles" thing

no, fortunately

[Gallia-]

is this leading into a "PRC uber alles" thing

no, fortunately

give it 30 years

2046

capitalist roaders will win

[Questers]

[Questers]

joint best general of ww2

[Gallia-]

i prefer general spliff or gen roach rly

[Questers]

i would have thought big fat brown cigar was more the type of thing you went in for

[Gallia-]

i would have thought big fat brown cigar was more the type of thing you went in for

i prefer my cigars wrapped in the purest snow white