NS Military Realism Consultancy Thread Mk X Purps Safe Space

[Gallia-]

Ground forces -
Soviet Army, Naval Infantry (naval branch though) VDV

Air forces -
Naval Aviation, Frontal Aviation, Long Range Aviation, National Air Defence, and Transport Aviation

But I don't know what Galla meant by three navies -- Coastal Artillery was another branch of the Navy though. AVMF and MP were in the Navy, so there were four naval branches (Red Fleet, AVMF, MP, and Coastal Artillery) and four air branches.

It's also inconsistent to write MP and CA. CA would be the cyrillic, but the Russian P character is П, so if you were writing CA (for Soviet Army), you'd also have to write MП for Naval Infantry.

w/e

i was mocking the United Socialist Sperg Republics' obsession with The Sperg

"sir we have two tanks"
"we will buy both"
"ok"

"sir we need air defense"
":|"

ussr would amke a matryoshka helicopter

"sir i heard you need a heavy lift helicopter"
"yes that is correct"
"ok here you go"
"what is this"
"we are leaving now"
"no dont go"
"bye bye"

[-Celibrae-]

What do you mean by co-ordinated?

The Ministry of Defence probably had a big say in it.

Well, I know that, for example, that the Su-27 was used by many branches, and modified for the specific role, be that for interception, operating from carriers or frontline aviation purposes. I would suppose that the Ministry of Defence (and not a little common sense) prevented the branches from making their own individual fighters?

[Taviana SSR]

Chemical weapons vs neutron bombs or other means when trying to clean a mostly residential and industrial area held by the enemy but wanting to keep infrastructure mostly intact?

[Questers]

The branches didn't make their own equipment. The equipment was made, as in the west, by design bureaus and companies and offered to the Ministry of Defence.

[-Celibrae-]

The branches didn't make their own equipment. The equipment was made, as in the west, by design bureaus and companies and offered to the Ministry of Defence.

And so when a branch/ministry would approach a bureau/company for equipment, they would naturally offer an Su-27 variant rather than a new program. Makes sense.

[Gallia-]

The branches didn't make their own equipment. The equipment was made, as in the west, by design bureaus and companies and offered to the Ministry of Defence.

And so when a branch/ministry would approach a bureau/company for equipment, they would naturally offer an Su-27 variant rather than a new program. Makes sense.

What?

The companies functioned very similar to the West, but less communistic than Europe. There was competition between design bureaus/companies, just like the United States. Sukhoi, Yakovlev, and Mikoyan were companies just like Boeing, Rockwell, and General Dynamics. They made planes to fit military requirements like PFI (Prospective Frontline Fighter) and LFI (Light Frontline Fighter), which were similar to the USAF's F-X and Lightweight Fighter, respectively.

You might as well complain that Boeing has been offering the US Navy rehashed F-18s as an alternative to F-35.

Su-35 is mostly about extending the life of airframes and giving them modern equipment than any anything else while PAK FA comes online.

[-Celibrae-]

And so when a branch/ministry would approach a bureau/company for equipment, they would naturally offer an Su-27 variant rather than a new program. Makes sense.

What?

The companies functioned very similar to the West, but less communistic than Europe. There was competition between design bureaus/companies, just like the United States. Sukhoi, Yakovlev, and Mikoyan were companies just like Boeing, Rockwell, and General Dynamics. They made planes to fit military requirements like PFI (Prospective Frontline Fighter) and LFI (Light Frontline Fighter), which were similar to the USAF's F-X and Lightweight Fighter, respectively.

You might as well complain that Boeing has been offering the US Navy rehashed F-18s as an alternative to F-35.

Su-35 is mostly about extending the life of airframes and giving them modern equipment than any anything else while PAK FA comes online.

I meant like, in the 80s or whenever they made the various Su-27 variants, but this is helpful too.

So, back to branches. Is there any particular benefit to having different air forces for different roles a la Soviets? Is the tradeoff better specialised capability versus flexibility?

[Kekonistan]

To be honest you should just mass produce AN-2s fam.

[Laywenrania]

which modifications would be necessary to an AShM to adapt it for the use on either airplane, ship or 'truck'?

(in other words, which differences exist between sea and air launched versions of the same missile?)

[-Celibrae-]

I've been wondering about TopSat and it's possible application as a spy satellite. Apparently the whole program, including design, fabrication and launch into orbit cost a grand total of £15 million, or $20 million for you Yankee Dogs. A whole constellation of them could be quite economical. My question is, would a low resolution (2.5m) spy sat have enough of a practical use to warrant the cost, versus a KH-11 which can supposedly read a newspaper from space?

which modifications would be necessary to an AShM to adapt it for the use on either airplane, ship or 'truck'?

(in other words, which differences exist between sea and air launched versions of the same missile?)

They will have a solid-fuel rocket booster stack like this to get them off the ground. Air launched missiles already have both speed and altitude and don't need one.

[Gallia-]

2.5 meters is less than half the resolution of CORONA.

it's completely useless.

If you can improve the ground resolution to 0.25 meters, it would perhaps be somewhat useful. It would at least be able to identify automobiles and aircraft. You could also count people. That would put it in the realm of very early KENNAN or maybe HEXAGON.

[-Celibrae-]

2.5 meters is less than half the resolution of CORONA.

it's completely useless.

CORONA had a resolution of 7.5 meters, so surely 2.5 is an improvement? KH-11 supposedly has a resolution of 0.05...

Edit: Yeah it's shit. Apparently it can only take 5 images a day.

[Gallia-]

2.5 meters is less than half the resolution of CORONA.

it's completely useless.

CORONA had a resolution of 7.5 meters, so surely 2.5 is an improvement? KH-11 supposedly has a resolution of 0.05...

CORONA's maximum ground resolution was 0.3 meters. Typical mission resolution was slightly less than 1 meter. 7.5 meters might be accurate if you sacrifice resolution for field of view, I guess, but that's stupid. Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis had access to photo-reconnaissance satellites superior to TopSat's ground resolution. But TopSat is basically a technology demonstrator/multi million dollar advertisement for a random space start-up, not a serious anything.

[-Celibrae-]

CORONA had a resolution of 7.5 meters, so surely 2.5 is an improvement? KH-11 supposedly has a resolution of 0.05...

CORONA's maximum ground resolution was 0.3 meters. Typical mission resolution was slightly less than 1 meter. 7.5 meters might be accurate if you sacrifice resolution for field of view, I guess, but that's stupid. Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis had access to photo-reconnaissance satellites superior to TopSat's ground resolution. But TopSat is basically a technology demonstrator/multi million dollar advertisement for a random space start-up, not a serious anything.

Fair enough. Thinking on perhaps a grander scale, and foregoing ultimate cheapness, I wonder what it would take to get it to 0.25 meter resolution. Improving the number of images would, I imagine, be something to do with processing, but I have no idea as to the cost.

[Gallia-]

You could observe things at approximately the same level as JFK could.

Except in 2022 rather than 1962.

[-Celibrae-]

You could observe things at approximately the same level as JFK could.

Except in 2022 rather than 1962.

the future is here

As you said, it's enough to distinguish people, types of vehicles, but if it ends up costing as much as KENNAN then it's not worth it. In fact, I'm not sure about how much cheaper it'd have to be to warrant being built.

Edit: Again, thinking about this, it's not like people have adapted anti-satellite camouflage - you'd still be able to, as you said, distinguish them, so I don't see why a digitised CORONA analogue would be completely useless if it was cheap enough. It might be especially useful to poorer countries - I read that the last KENNAN cost $8.9 billion.

[Gallia-]

Unfortunately there's no Ice Station Zebra in the future. Or any need for daring airborne recovery against the odds using repurposed flying machines that once beat Hitler's Empire and are now repurposed to stop the communists. Instead you just press a button and download it and some 450 lbs dude in a basement stops you.

Boring.

[-Celibrae-]

Unfortunately there's no Ice Station Zebra in the future. Or any need for daring airborne recovery against the odds using repurposed flying machines that once beat Hitler's Empire and are now repurposed to stop the communists. Instead you just press a button and download it and some 450 lbs dude in a basement stops you.

Boring.

They just don't make them like they used to.

Edited earlier post.

[The Akasha Colony]

So, my idea; pseudo-branch Royal Navy Air Service with various commands and so forth. What should I do to make it better.

Make it a fully fledged branch?

Make the commands their own branches?

Accept that I can just nuke people with SLBMs instead and completely forgo penetration bombing?

And you said you were considering a separate marine branch, alongside the two armies? If one of those armies is naval infantry (AKA marines), what's am I missing?

Edit: Rossiya stronk in Galla

Edit 2: It must be quite tiring answering my questions, but it's honestly really helpful. Thanks lads.

Make it a single branch.

It should probably be noted that while the Soviets favored making lots of individual, specialized "branches," the Russians have reversed this trend and merged the Air Defense Forces and the Air Forces into a single combined branch that is roughly analogous to a Western air force except that it does not have control of Russia's land-based ICBM arsenal like the USAF does in the US (ICBMs are still the domain of the independent Strategic Missile Troops).

Time to start again with the whole military then. Recommended branches for said military, being a maritime island nation with no major threats nearby, beyond a few third-world shîtholes, and with peer threats abroad? Also, in an axis of evil with two other countries the size of the USA on other continents, and a friendly bunch of lads on the continent next to me too. Oh yeah, and a population of 100 million and a GDP of 4 trillion.

Your memes are confusing. I like simple memes for my simple mind.

Army, navy, and air force.

As you said, it's enough to distinguish people, types of vehicles, but if it ends up costing as much as KENNAN then it's not worth it. In fact, I'm not sure about how much cheaper it'd have to be to warrant being built.

Edit: Again, thinking about this, it's not like people have adapted anti-satellite camouflage - you'd still be able to, as you said, distinguish them, so I don't see why a digitised CORONA analogue would be completely useless if it was cheap enough. It might be especially useful to poorer countries - I read that the last KENNAN cost $8.9 billion.

A "digitized Corona" would actually be more expensive than you would think, mostly because digital cameras with similar performance to film cameras are quite expensive and you would require very expensive infrastructure to handle the bandwidth requirements of such a system. Processing and downlinking the sheer volume of data that would be generated trying to match Corona's performance with a digital solution would be extremely expensive.

[-Celibrae-]

Thanks for the responses.

I suppose my aim is not to necessarily improve on Corona, but make it cheaper using modern technology, if it works as simply as that.

[Gallia-]

Any spy satellite worth its salt will use telescopes and film, like Hubble.

[-Celibrae-]

Any spy satellite worth its salt will use telescopes and film, like Hubble.

Isn't Hubble related to Kennan? I vaguely recall some sort of link.

[Gallia-]

They allegedly used similar technology, which isn't exactly unprecedented. One of NASA's major infrared observatories' telescopes was built for an NRO contract.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Web ... _Telescope

[-Celibrae-]

They allegedly used similar technology, which isn't exactly unprecedented. One of NASA's major infrared observatories' telescopes was built for an NRO contract.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Web ... _Telescope

Yep. A quick Google reveals that NASA were gifted two telescopes by the NRO, rumoured to be related to a failed Boeing replacement for Kennen, or leftover Block IIIs from the 90s. Funnily enough, JWST has ballooned in cost to 8 billion, so it's about the same cost as a Kennen, too.

[The Akasha Colony]

Isn't Hubble related to Kennan? I vaguely recall some sort of link.

Yep. A quick Google reveals that NASA were gifted two telescopes by the NRO, rumoured to be related to a failed Boeing replacement for Kennen. Funnily enough, JWST has ballooned in cost to 8 billion, so it's about the same cost as a Kennen, too.

They shared the same mirror diameter, but that was more or less it. And the newer Kennens may have larger mirrors than the earlier ones (and thus larger than Hubble's). Similar technologies were applied to Hubble and Kennen but they were designed for different roles so their construction is different. There has been conjecture that Kennen may look similar to Hubble externally but if so this is just a matter of form following function.