NS Military Realism Consultancy Thread Mk X Purps Safe Space

[Great Nordanglia]

Noo-oo, that's what you think it is.

I tried editing it to remove genericisms but found that I had removed all but one sentence or so, which turned out to be a bad idea.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Noo-oo, that's what you think it is.

I tried editing it to remove genericisms but found that I had removed all but one sentence or so, which turned out to be a bad idea.

Well, I tried to make it so that anyone following the procedure would be able to adapt it to the circumstances of their conquest operation.

[Austrasien]

Thoughts? Part of me wants to say the author is being sensationalist in throwing around the word 'nuclear', but as is pointed out, WWI started over a small scrap of territory that Russia had a vested interest in protecting. If the US does what Austria-Hungary did and invade in force, things could get really bad, really fast. Right?

The risk of war between Russia and the United States today is far lower than any point in the Cold War. It is also implausible either Russia or the US would use nukes over Syria. It is true the Russians promote the idea that tactical nuclear weapons are usable, but they are almost certainly thinking in terms of defending Russia's sovereign territory. The fate of Assad is not a life or death issue for either America or Russia.

[Federated Kingdom of Prussia]

Thoughts? Part of me wants to say the author is being sensationalist in throwing around the word 'nuclear', but as is pointed out, WWI started over a small scrap of territory that Russia had a vested interest in protecting. If the US does what Austria-Hungary did and invade in force, things could get really bad, really fast. Right?

The risk of war between Russia and the United States today is far lower than any point in the Cold War. It is also implausible either Russia or the US would use nukes over Syria. It is true the Russians promote the idea that tactical nuclear weapons are usable, but they are almost certainly thinking in terms of defending Russia's sovereign territory. The fate of Assad is not a life or death issue for either America or Russia.

Wasn't the Yom Kippur War a particularly dangerous time for the major powers, however? IIRC the big danger was that Israel might use nukes to blunt the invasion, though that might not necessarily lead to the powers nuking each other. Right?

[Allanea]

Russian military doctrine calls for nuclear war in a circumstance where a large percent (don't remember how large) of Russia's territory, population, or military capacity is rapidly lost, or where it is attacked with nuclear strikes. I'm not sure how this could happen in Syria.

[Roskian Federation]

Russian military doctrine calls for nuclear war in a circumstance where a large percent (don't remember how large) of Russia's territory, population, or military capacity is rapidly lost, or where it is attacked with nuclear strikes. I'm not sure how this could happen in Syria.

maybe syria is russia and nobody bothered to tell us

[Spirit of Hope]

The risk of war between Russia and the United States today is far lower than any point in the Cold War. It is also implausible either Russia or the US would use nukes over Syria. It is true the Russians promote the idea that tactical nuclear weapons are usable, but they are almost certainly thinking in terms of defending Russia's sovereign territory. The fate of Assad is not a life or death issue for either America or Russia.

Wasn't the Yom Kippur War a particularly dangerous time for the major powers, however? IIRC the big danger was that Israel might use nukes to blunt the invasion, though that might not necessarily lead to the powers nuking each other. Right?

It didn't help any that the USSR mentioned the idea of sending some troops into the area to break up the fighting, oh and would the US have any problems with that? The US was understandably very upset at the idea of the USSR attacking Israel, who might then feel the need to use nukes, not to mention it was a cornerstone of US strategy to keep Russian troops out of the middle east.

[Gallia-]

Russian military doctrine calls for nuclear war in a circumstance where a large percent (don't remember how large) of Russia's territory, population, or military capacity is rapidly lost, or where it is attacked with nuclear strikes. I'm not sure how this could happen in Syria.

maybe syria is russia and nobody bothered to tell us

Crimea is Russia and no one told us.

Perhaps Narva will join them!

[Roskian Federation]

The risk of war between Russia and the United States today is far lower than any point in the Cold War. It is also implausible either Russia or the US would use nukes over Syria. It is true the Russians promote the idea that tactical nuclear weapons are usable, but they are almost certainly thinking in terms of defending Russia's sovereign territory. The fate of Assad is not a life or death issue for either America or Russia.

Wasn't the Yom Kippur War a particularly dangerous time for the major powers, however? IIRC the big danger was that Israel might use nukes to blunt the invasion, though that might not necessarily lead to the powers nuking each other. Right?

"might" is an interesting word there, since Israel had already authorized such strikes.

Had the Israelis been forced to use nuclear weapons on Egypt, the Soviet Union wouldn't say "America wants to kill every russian, burn them all!" and fire off its arsenal. To believe such a thing is utterly incompetent.

The Yom Kippur War was not actually too dangerous for either the United States or the Soviet Union. The USSR didn't exactly like Israel, but it wasn't wanting Syria or Egypt to obliterate the Israeli state. The United States wanted to look helpful to the Arab world, and was reluctant to provide aid to Israel. The biggest "danger" was the USSR losing any positive ideas towards it in Israel, and the US's was increased animosity from the Arab states. At no given point was the United States about to initiate actual hostilities over the war, as both the USSR and the US actually attempted to stop the fighting early (but both the US and USSR tried to stop it six hours before it happened, which wasn't enough time tbh).

Additionally, the US specifically told Israel not to pre-emptively strike.

It is extremely clear that the conflict was Syria and Egypt versus Israel, not Western Interests versus Eastern Interests.

[Gallia-]

"Utterly incompetent".

Mr. Spicer, is that you?

[Allanea]

I have several times read of the existence of propaganda vehicles that project sound for miles and miles.

Is there a chart somewhere how far a given sound can be heard based on its decibel level or is it more complex than that?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Ghost of Churchill attending the last October Revolution Parade? <.< >.>

[Austrasien]

I have several times read of the existence of propaganda vehicles that project sound for miles and miles.

Is there a chart somewhere how far a given sound can be heard based on its decibel level or is it more complex than that?

It is definitely complicated.

[Federated Kingdom of Prussia]

To what degree are modern militaries influenced by the legacy of older ones?

More specifically, in my modern Prussian military, I am aiming to be heavily derivative of Napoleonic and Seven Years' War-era military style. Things like using the bright, flashy uniforms for dress parades, and having unit designations like '1st Hussars Guards' or 'Life Grenadiers'.

I know some RL militaries do it, but it doesn't seem to be super popular out of more than a few places.

[Crookfur]

To what degree are modern militaries influenced by the legacy of older ones?

More specifically, in my modern Prussian military, I am aiming to be heavily derivative of Napoleonic and Seven Years' War-era military style. Things like using the bright, flashy uniforms for dress parades, and having unit designations like '1st Hussars Guards' or 'Life Grenadiers'.

I know some RL militaries do it, but it doesn't seem to be super popular out of more than a few places.

Regimental names only really tend to exist where there ate clear lineages and the nation hasn't undergone any major reformations in the interim, but they do crop up all over Europe.

Dress uniforms are very common bit again the form they take will depend on what the nation has undergone since the move to single or camouflage battledress.

[Allanea]

Russia has regimental names, but that's partly because Russian patriotism is constantly stoked by the state and its agents.

[Crookfur]

Russia has regimental names, but that's partly because Russian patriotism is constantly stoked by the state and its agents.

But don't they all pretty much date back to ww2 rather than following a lineage back to the army of the tsars?

[Husseinarti]

To what degree are modern militaries influenced by the legacy of older ones?

More specifically, in my modern Prussian military, I am aiming to be heavily derivative of Napoleonic and Seven Years' War-era military style. Things like using the bright, flashy uniforms for dress parades, and having unit designations like '1st Hussars Guards' or 'Life Grenadiers'.

I know some RL militaries do it, but it doesn't seem to be super popular out of more than a few places.

Any influences are kept many for purposes of morale and to look cool.

Nations that have some cool military history to them will do it. There are only like 7 US regiments that directly trace liniage to the US Revolution, a few more for the Civil War, a bit more or the Indian Wars, and then a bunch for World War One/Two.

[Allanea]

Russia has regimental names, but that's partly because Russian patriotism is constantly stoked by the state and its agents.

But don't they all pretty much date back to ww2 rather than following a lineage back to the army of the tsars?

Glorious Putin has now ordered 'reforming' several Tsarist-era regiments, in other words just naming some elite units 'Preobrazhensky regiment', 'Semenovsky regiment', etc.

[Federated Kingdom of Prussia]

Is Putin combining the Soviet and Tsarist Russian lineage for a blend of Russian national identity and civic religion?

I'm currently reading Dostoevsky in a class of mine and even he has something to say on the image of the Russian:

We Russians, speaking generally, have never had those foolish transcendental ‘romantics’—German, and still more French—on whom nothing produces any effect; if there were an earthquake, if all France perished at the barricades, they would still be the same, they would not even have the decency to affect a change, but would still go on singing their transcendental songs to the hour of their death, because they are fools. We, in Russia, have no fools; that is well known.

[Husseinarti]

Its not even Putin, its just the overall Russian society at large.

[Allanea]

Basically Putin is trying to promote a form of Russian nationalism without saying the word 'nation'.

Officially the Russian state has an ideology of multiethnicity, but 90% of it propaganda is Russians that and Russians this.

[Questers]

If you want historically named units the best place to look is the British Army, and after that, the French and Swedish armies. The Coldstream Guards were activated in 1650. India also has heritage names from the 18th century.

[Husseinarti]

yeah the brits are the king of names for regiments and stuff

[Cerma]

Despite the whole thing of trying to attain 'elite mega-trained and equipped super soldiers' being a straight up bad idea, is it possible for an army to get something close(or barely) to it? And will it be a slightly less bad idea?

On that matter, how much extensive training could an average modern infantryman go through before it becomes redundant?