NS Military Realism Consultancy Thread Mk X Purps Safe Space

[Theodosiya]

How about,

"Relying on Infantry Stronk doctrine, territorial command and bamboo spear, MANPADS and 6x6s while many country use 8x8"?

[Crookfur]

IIRC the backwards launching torpedo thing wasn't unique to the Russians, the royal navy had small boats that operated in the same way.

The coastal motor boats entered service in 1916 and they were reasonably successful claiming several destroyers, cruiser and one battleship. It was probably the successful operation against Kronstadt that inspired Soviet use. In RN service they stuck around until ww2 although mostly in their larger forms as rescue launches and mine layers.

[Allanea]

IIRC the backwards launching torpedo thing wasn't unique to the Russians, the royal navy had small boats that operated in the same way.

The coastal motor boats entered service in 1916 and they were reasonably successful claiming several destroyers, cruiser and one battleship. It was probably the successful operation against Kronstadt that inspired Soviet use. In RN service they stuck around until ww2 although mostly in their larger forms as rescue launches and mine layers.

Yes, but the Soviet design was dumber, smaller, and made 20 years later, at a time when better alternatives were well-known.

[Allanea]

Worse, the Soviets continued fucking the cactus after horrifying failures in field testing.

[The Soodean Imperium]

Oh look.

Huh. I'm not sure if I missed this, or just forgot about it.

Either way, it's exactly the kind of thing I was referring to - e.g., the difference between actual command blunders and "incompetent general" tropes, the difference between institutional lag/inertia/information obstacles and the entire high command being horse lovers so they replace their tank forces with horse cavalry.

12. Burma (some reporting says the elephants are logistics only, but some describes them fucking dudes up).

So, logistics elephant gets loose and tramples a lightly guarded outpost? Or rebel logistics commander sees an opportunity and goes for it?

I'm not sure this equates to advanced industrial economies using war elephants in high-intensity conventional warfare just for the hell of it.

[Taihei Tengoku]

holy shit

[Gallia-]

they are so cute together

[Kassaran]

That transmission bay must suuuck to have to climb into for the electricians.

[Laritaia]

one assumes they have ladders

[Kassaran]

one assumes they have ladders

Ladders don't help at all once you're inside the transmission bay, or in the tail boom. That shit ain't fun man. It's hurt feelings.

[Gallia-]

Clearly the foolish engineers didn't realize the US Army would only operate >1,100 of them!

[Laritaia]

one assumes they have ladders

Ladders don't help at all once you're inside the transmission bay, or in the tail boom. That shit ain't fun man. It's hurt feelings.

i remember seeing an RAF video about performing maintenance inside the sponson fuel tanks of Chinooks

that looked like it sucked in a major way

[Kassaran]

Clearly the foolish engineers didn't realize the US Army would only operate >1,100 of them!

Engineers don't care about maintainers on the first go, the things we get that are nice, usually come as the afterthought or perk to putting somewhere better.

Ladders don't help at all once you're inside the transmission bay, or in the tail boom. That shit ain't fun man. It's hurt feelings.

i remember seeing an RAF video about performing maintenance inside the sponson fuel tanks of Chinooks

that looked like it sucked in a major way

Hence why I have some Empathy for 15U's. They just work on broken sky-buses all day.

[Versail]

So I have a question: How many troops should there be per kilometer of border with a nation that I am at peace with, but it is a rather tense peace?
Both of us are nuclear powers, I am willing to provide other information if needed.

[Gallia-]

Clearly the foolish engineers didn't realize the US Army would only operate >1,100 of them!

Engineers don't care about maintainers on the first go, the things we get that are nice, usually come as the afterthought or perk to putting somewhere better.

If they did, it wouldn't be able to fly.

[Kassaran]

Engineers don't care about maintainers on the first go, the things we get that are nice, usually come as the afterthought or perk to putting somewhere better.

If they did, it wouldn't be able to fly.

But it'd be hella easy to maintain. Sometimes I really envy the non-aviation maintainers.

[Imperializt Russia]

So I have a question: How many troops should there be per kilometer of border with a nation that I am at peace with, but it is a rather tense peace?
Both of us are nuclear powers, I am willing to provide other information if needed.

Really, you would be looking at how many formations you would need, rather than "men per kilometre". Really, the "men per kilometre" would relate to how you intend on enforcing your border, and what you can monitor, and what you can deploy.

[Biancavilla]

Hi, my nation has 950 million inhabitants, is a military strength of like 4.5-5 million realistic? There's no real-life equivalent of this population so that's why I'm asking.

[Kassaran]

Hi, my nation has 950 million inhabitants, is a military strength of like 4.5-5 million realistic? There's no real-life equivalent of this population so that's why I'm asking.

Go here: NS Trackers. Login, set up, explore. It's what I use for a general idea... give or take some.

[Roskian Federation]

Hi, my nation has 950 million inhabitants, is a military strength of like 4.5-5 million realistic? There's no real-life equivalent of this population so that's why I'm asking.

if you face a significant threat, sure.
if you have some extensive military tradition, or you're run by a dictatorship which feeds on nationalism, sure.

A five million man military is large, but remember, North and South Korea, with fewer than 200 million between them, have a combined military force of ~12,000,000, so blank numbers offer no form to answer your question.

[The Soodean Imperium]

Hi, my nation has 950 million inhabitants, is a military strength of like 4.5-5 million realistic? There's no real-life equivalent of this population so that's why I'm asking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... _personnel

Sort by the "per 1000 capita" column for active troops and reserves. 5 million out of 950 million is about 5.26 per 1000, or 0.526%, which is a fairly middling range and won't be hard to sustain if you need it. It's certainly not unrealistic, in the sense that claiming 10% in active service and a powerhouse economy is unrealistic.

The other question though is whether you need it in the first place. India and China, the two RL countries with populations above 950 million, have 1.3 and 2.3 million active-duty personnel respectively because that's all they need to meet their security goals (which are big, but their populations are bigger). On the other hand, you may need 10 million or more if you're defending a long border against a similarly armed likely enemy. One can't tell this just by looking at your population.

If you don't yet know enough about the threats you're facing and the unit density along the border, half a percent of the population in active service is a decent placeholder. It's certainly better than the "one-percent rule" people used to throw around.

[Federated Kingdom of Prussia]

Thoughts? Part of me wants to say the author is being sensationalist in throwing around the word 'nuclear', but as is pointed out, WWI started over a small scrap of territory that Russia had a vested interest in protecting. If the US does what Austria-Hungary did and invade in force, things could get really bad, really fast. Right?

[UCE Watchdog of the Puppets]

Thoughts? Part of me wants to say the author is being sensationalist in throwing around the word 'nuclear', but as is pointed out, WWI started over a small scrap of territory that Russia had a vested interest in protecting. If the US does what Austria-Hungary did and invade in force, things could get really bad, really fast. Right?

It could if we target Assad. But I doubt we will.

I don't know what to call this exactly, I just called it the "RADEC procedure" because RADEC is an initialism. I originally intended it for planetary invasions. Is there any work that might need to be done on specifying certain features of the procedure? I've intended for a country which cares about the Geneva Conventions and human rights to use it.
edit: I see typos in this, god damn.

Reconnaissance: The target is examined in detail and units are sent to discover the details of its' geography, astrography, and localized features, with each unit focusing on something different- transport patterns, potential base sites, military base distribution, politics, infrastructure and more depending on the operation and its' objectives. Units are typically small and equipped with the ability to evade or mislead detectors without revealing much of their own nature in the process. They may be supported by a nearby, larger backup force which can initiate the Secondary RADEC Procedure (a series of tactical and strategic directions for preserving an operation when it is exposed to enemy forces before the operation's troops are fully assembled) should they be exposed. This backup force is, however, usually distant from the scene of the operation in order to protect itself from detection.
Airheading: A site for the arrival of operational execution forces is selected and units are sent to prepare it. Such usually consists of placing it in a locale which is sufficiently, but not overly distant or accessible to enemy infrastructure and command and control centers, and which is capable of holding all of the operational execution forces and providing them with a base for resupply, repair, and execution of their objectives which can withstand an enemy reconnaissance in force. The units may also be tasked with disguising the actual intention or nature of the site should it prove to be insufficiently distant or inaccessible to the enemy otherwise, while maintaining it as suitable for the arrival of operational execution forces and thus deterring the enemy from setting up installations of their own around the base. This was originally the place where an invasion force would arrive from ships in orbit in a manner comparable to a beachhead for amphibious operations, hence the name airhead.
The operational execution forces are transported to the vicinity of the operation area, often close enough to be detected by determined enemy forces, but not too close as to be apparent, and may use misdirection to disguise their presence. They prepare themselves for the arrival in the area of operations.
Detraction: While this is everpresent in the early stages of the procedure, it is now that it becomes important. Operational execution forces are arriving at their airhead, but are not concentrated or prepared to resist an enemy response yet. The enemy must be distracted. The units which prepared the airhead are now free to maintain the airhead but also to commence grand-scale efforts to mislead the enemy as to what is about to happen. Reconnaissance units have discovered political and military splits, or other opportunities for the airhead preparation force to exploit to cause disorder which will draw away hostile military attention. These opportunities are promptly exploited, and utilized to keep the enemy preoccupied as the operational execution forces arrive and organize themselves for the later stages of the procedure.
Expansion: The forces that have arrived to carry out the operation are now able to execute it. Reconnaissance on enemy settlements and infrastructure has identified currently minor areas that could serve as base camps for an assault on the airhead site, as well as additional arrival sites. These will all be captured and used as secondary bases. Meanwhile, any supporting components for the operational execution forces are available to deliver on-demand military assistance, often with constraints to prevent the true depth of the operation's preparation and force strength being revealed. The enemy is best deceived into thinking that they are still facing a minor force which is not one's own, or that they are intercepting the operational forces in the earlier stages of the procedure, and thus outnumber their target massively. Meanwhile, on-site reinforcements may be added at secondary arrival sites to aid in the later stages of the operation. All of the forward sites are, once captured, secured. Some operational objectives may be completed during this time if they do not require massive amounts of the operational execution forces to be involved.
Consummation: Misdirection by one's own forces to deceive and distract the enemy gradually ceases and is only fully ended when one is certain that the enemy can no longer resist the operational execution force. Large contingents of the operational execution forces are sent to assault major command, control, and infrastructural centers held by the enemy. Supporting components are more fully exposed and used to harry, weaken or destroy enemy reinforcements or supporting units which otherwise would be deployed against one's own troops. Civilian populations are to be only engaged deliberately as combatants whenever possible and efforts must be taken to ensure their noninterference with, or support of, further combat operations. Under no conditions are they to be targeted and their deaths treated as an objective and not a byproduct of achieving them. Care must be taken both to achieve tactical and operational objectives and to minimize civilian life. If the enemy is using civilians as shields and proves inseparable from them without causing massive loss of life among the operational executive force, then their deaths are to be accepted in order to achieve the objective.
Note: Counterinsurgency operations may follow different paths in consummation of the procedure, depending on which of the Triad of Mutually Interfering Counterinsurgency Objectives is prioritized.
The following is for operations where UCE authority is to persist for some defined period of time where guerrilla activity is seen as undesirable (e.g. retaking rebellious colonies).
If civilians and hostile military personnel persist in guerrilla resistance they are to be eliminated and noncombatant supportive civilian populations forcibly moved from the area of guerrilla activity. Administrators of the civilian camps are to be strictly overseen to ensure none are acting, deliberately or indirectly, to undermine counterinsurgency and anti-guerrilla operations. When guerrilla activity is suppressed then civilians may be released to the areas of former guerrilla activity but under military guard.
When all objectives, including the survival of an effective operational execution force and support elements, are accomplished the usage of the RADEC Procedure will be considered to have ceased along with the operation itself, and a new operation may be undertaken.

[Great Nordanglia]

Thoughts? Part of me wants to say the author is being sensationalist in throwing around the word 'nuclear', but as is pointed out, WWI started over a small scrap of territory that Russia had a vested interest in protecting. If the US does what Austria-Hungary did and invade in force, things could get really bad, really fast. Right?

It could if we target Assad. But I doubt we will.

I don't know what to call this exactly, I just called it the "RADEC procedure" because RADEC is an initialism. I originally intended it for planetary invasions. Is there any work that might need to be done on specifying certain features of the procedure? I've intended for a country which cares about the Geneva Conventions and human rights to use it.
edit: I see typos in this, god damn.

Reconnaissance: The target is examined in detail and units are sent to discover the details of its' geography, astrography, and localized features, with each unit focusing on something different- transport patterns, potential base sites, military base distribution, politics, infrastructure and more depending on the operation and its' objectives. Units are typically small and equipped with the ability to evade or mislead detectors without revealing much of their own nature in the process. They may be supported by a nearby, larger backup force which can initiate the Secondary RADEC Procedure (a series of tactical and strategic directions for preserving an operation when it is exposed to enemy forces before the operation's troops are fully assembled) should they be exposed. This backup force is, however, usually distant from the scene of the operation in order to protect itself from detection.
Airheading: A site for the arrival of operational execution forces is selected and units are sent to prepare it. Such usually consists of placing it in a locale which is sufficiently, but not overly distant or accessible to enemy infrastructure and command and control centers, and which is capable of holding all of the operational execution forces and providing them with a base for resupply, repair, and execution of their objectives which can withstand an enemy reconnaissance in force. The units may also be tasked with disguising the actual intention or nature of the site should it prove to be insufficiently distant or inaccessible to the enemy otherwise, while maintaining it as suitable for the arrival of operational execution forces and thus deterring the enemy from setting up installations of their own around the base. This was originally the place where an invasion force would arrive from ships in orbit in a manner comparable to a beachhead for amphibious operations, hence the name airhead.
The operational execution forces are transported to the vicinity of the operation area, often close enough to be detected by determined enemy forces, but not too close as to be apparent, and may use misdirection to disguise their presence. They prepare themselves for the arrival in the area of operations.
Detraction: While this is everpresent in the early stages of the procedure, it is now that it becomes important. Operational execution forces are arriving at their airhead, but are not concentrated or prepared to resist an enemy response yet. The enemy must be distracted. The units which prepared the airhead are now free to maintain the airhead but also to commence grand-scale efforts to mislead the enemy as to what is about to happen. Reconnaissance units have discovered political and military splits, or other opportunities for the airhead preparation force to exploit to cause disorder which will draw away hostile military attention. These opportunities are promptly exploited, and utilized to keep the enemy preoccupied as the operational execution forces arrive and organize themselves for the later stages of the procedure.
Expansion: The forces that have arrived to carry out the operation are now able to execute it. Reconnaissance on enemy settlements and infrastructure has identified currently minor areas that could serve as base camps for an assault on the airhead site, as well as additional arrival sites. These will all be captured and used as secondary bases. Meanwhile, any supporting components for the operational execution forces are available to deliver on-demand military assistance, often with constraints to prevent the true depth of the operation's preparation and force strength being revealed. The enemy is best deceived into thinking that they are still facing a minor force which is not one's own, or that they are intercepting the operational forces in the earlier stages of the procedure, and thus outnumber their target massively. Meanwhile, on-site reinforcements may be added at secondary arrival sites to aid in the later stages of the operation. All of the forward sites are, once captured, secured. Some operational objectives may be completed during this time if they do not require massive amounts of the operational execution forces to be involved.
Consummation: Misdirection by one's own forces to deceive and distract the enemy gradually ceases and is only fully ended when one is certain that the enemy can no longer resist the operational execution force. Large contingents of the operational execution forces are sent to assault major command, control, and infrastructural centers held by the enemy. Supporting components are more fully exposed and used to harry, weaken or destroy enemy reinforcements or supporting units which otherwise would be deployed against one's own troops. Civilian populations are to be only engaged deliberately as combatants whenever possible and efforts must be taken to ensure their noninterference with, or support of, further combat operations. Under no conditions are they to be targeted and their deaths treated as an objective and not a byproduct of achieving them. Care must be taken both to achieve tactical and operational objectives and to minimize civilian life. If the enemy is using civilians as shields and proves inseparable from them without causing massive loss of life among the operational executive force, then their deaths are to be accepted in order to achieve the objective.
Note: Counterinsurgency operations may follow different paths in consummation of the procedure, depending on which of the Triad of Mutually Interfering Counterinsurgency Objectives is prioritized.
The following is for operations where UCE authority is to persist for some defined period of time where guerrilla activity is seen as undesirable (e.g. retaking rebellious colonies).
If civilians and hostile military personnel persist in guerrilla resistance they are to be eliminated and noncombatant supportive civilian populations forcibly moved from the area of guerrilla activity. Administrators of the civilian camps are to be strictly overseen to ensure none are acting, deliberately or indirectly, to undermine counterinsurgency and anti-guerrilla operations. When guerrilla activity is suppressed then civilians may be released to the areas of former guerrilla activity but under military guard.
When all objectives, including the survival of an effective operational execution force and support elements, are accomplished the usage of the RADEC Procedure will be considered to have ceased along with the operation itself, and a new operation may be undertaken.

What the fuck is this?

[UCE Watchdog of the Puppets]

It could if we target Assad. But I doubt we will.

I don't know what to call this exactly, I just called it the "RADEC procedure" because RADEC is an initialism. I originally intended it for planetary invasions. Is there any work that might need to be done on specifying certain features of the procedure? I've intended for a country which cares about the Geneva Conventions and human rights to use it.
edit: I see typos in this, god damn.

What the fuck is this?

It's a description of how my country would conduct a military operation where the goal is to destroy the fighting ability of and assume control over a planet or any region on said planet.