NS Military Realism Consultancy Thread Mk X Purps Safe Space

[Allanea]

What exactly do you hope to defend in this againt with this?

[Breqhou]

What exactly do you hope to defend in this againt with this?

In my canon, Breqhou has a defense treaty with France and England. Possibly, this force would be able to defend the islands for long enough for the British/French to assist?

[Taihei Tengoku]

The best defense plan is to get a government official to London or Paris and convince them to send a relief expedition

[Puzikas]

I feel there are stories involved.

During Happening part 2: This Time we're Turning Your City to Ash edition, we were more or less in a race with another unit and to stay well motivated I took way more than the recommended amount of "stay awake" pills and became the most highly motivated man in the whole of Europe.
I crashed about three days later and napped in the back of a BMP-1 but the fucking Gunner kept poking me with the stick.

There's nothing simple about a BMP-1 except it's manufacturing and getting really, really mad at it tbh

Im mad at the man in the bmp-1 tbh

[Theodosiya]

How to turn jungle into ash?

[Breqhou]

How to turn jungle into ash?

Napalm.

[Austrasien]

How to turn jungle into ash?

Napalm.

Rain forests belong to the tropical wet climate group. The temperature in a rain forest rarely gets higher than 93 °F (34 °C) or drops below 68 °F (20 °C); average humidity is between 77 and 88%; rainfall is often more than 100 inches a year. There is usually a brief season of less rain. In monsoonal areas, there is a real dry season. Almost all rain forests lie near the equator.

Good luck with that.

[Crookfur]

Just need a little help here. Breqhou is a European microstate with a tiny population of 600 people, and a tiny paramilitary force of 15 men. This force wouldn't be able to do much in a realistic situation but I was wondering how effective it would be if we adopted the Andorran system where all families are required to own a gun. Basically, during wartime, the officers we have would be tasked with raising a fighting force from the able-bodied men.

Thoughts?

It probably wouldn't hurt and might be useful to give the officers some extra manpower if they had to deal with some group that might outnumber them, like a commercial shipping crew.

Your best defence is the same as all the other micro nations/principalities: not really having anything that's worth troubling a company of troops over.

[Kassaran]

Napalm.

Rain forests belong to the tropical wet climate group. The temperature in a rain forest rarely gets higher than 93 °F (34 °C) or drops below 68 °F (20 °C); average humidity is between 77 and 88%; rainfall is often more than 100 inches a year. There is usually a brief season of less rain. In monsoonal areas, there is a real dry season. Almost all rain forests lie near the equator.

Good luck with that.

U.S. troops used a substance known as napalm from about 1965 to 1972 in the Vietnam War; napalm is a mixture of plastic polystyrene, hydrocarbon benzene, and gasoline. This mixture creates a jelly-like substance that, when ignited, sticks to practically anything and burns up to ten minutes. The effects of napalm on the human body are unbearably painful and almost always cause death among its victims. “Napalm is the most terrible pain you can ever imagine” said Kim Phúc, a survivor from a napalm bombing. “Water boils at 212°F. Napalm generates temperatures 1,500°F to 2,200°F.” Kim Phúc sustained third degree burns to portions of her body. She was one of the only survivors of such extreme measures

Napalm was first used in flamethrowers for U.S. ground troops; they burned down sections of forest and bushes in hopes of eliminating any enemy guerrilla fighters. Later on in the war B-52 Bombers began dropping napalm bombs and other incendiary explosives. Air raids that used napalm were much more devastating than flamethrowers; a single bomb was capable of destroying areas up to 2,500 square yards. Throughout the duration of the war, 1965 – 1973, eight million tons of bombs were dropped over Vietnam; this was more than three times the amount used in WWII.

Who needs luck when you have air superiority?

[Austrasien]

Cool, you know what napalm is.

Didn't turn the jungle to ash though.

[EsToVnIa]

Usually, you can just set them on fire and they burn

hard to believe wood burns, I know

[Kassaran]

Cool, you know what napalm is.

Didn't turn the jungle to ash though.

Your right... not all of it at least:

It appears that deliberate attempts to set fire to the forests were foiled by extremely wet conditions. Significant local fires were, however, caused by napalm and phosphorous bombs.

But it still worked for its intended purpose. It incinerated the parts of the jungle it needed to. Widespread fires didn't work, but that's likely through simple lack of dedicated effort. 1% of the entire forests of Vietnam were incinerated and for all intents and purposes destroyed by the use of Napalm for that exact purpose. When you can eliminate a full percentage figure, no matter how small, of anything geographical, that's nothing to turn your nose up at.

Although one of napalm's early uses was agricultural, it has largely proved destructive toward the environment. Fires caused by napalm can cause widespread ­damage. In Vietnam, the U.S. military took advantage of this fact by deploying napalm to destroy forests that North Vietnamese soldiers relied on for cover. This killed off trees and other natural resources that were vital at that time.

Napalm was dropped onto an area and quickly incinerated anything it hit. Burning at such high temperatures and made of dangerous chemicals napalm was more of a threat to the environment than it may have appeared. Not only burning trees, shelter, crops, and other vital natural resources, it also released harmful chemicals into the atmosphere. These chemicals being released made it hard not only for surrounding people to breath, but were still released into the atmosphere poisoning air for an extended range before dispersing.

Jungles are used for their extensive ability to provide cover. Napalm neutralized that ability by effectively eliminating organic material within ten minute's access in its reach. If air-burst Napalm had been used, maybe we would have seen much more extensive damage, but that's not why Napalm was needed. The US didn't go in with the express purpose of ashing the jungle, they simply wanted the green gone. Hence Agent Orange. That's for a different discussion, to bring it all back together. You want to ash a jungle? Use Napalm. If it isn't ash, then you didn't use enough Napalm.

[The Akasha Colony]

But it still worked for its intended purpose. It incinerated the parts of the jungle it needed to. Widespread fires didn't work, but that's likely through simple lack of dedicated effort. 1% of the entire forests of Vietnam were incinerated and for all intents and purposes destroyed by the use of Napalm for that exact purpose. When you can eliminate a full percentage figure, no matter how small, of anything geographical, that's nothing to turn your nose up at.

That figure is fairly trivial.

The vast efforts of the United States, involving millions of tons of bombs, tens of thousands of tons of herbicides and dioxins, and mechanized plows were outstripped by the efforts of civilian loggers looking for lumber. Your own link sort of defeats your claim: Vietnam loses twice as much forest area to loggers and deforestation annually than it lost to the entire US bombing campaign.

Natural wildfires in North America consume several orders of magnitude more land than the largest bombing campaign in history.

It's almost as if bombing and napalm are in fact a horribly inefficient way to "turn a jungle into ash!"

[Austrasien]

Quite simply the amount of napalm needed to "ash" a jungle is about the same as the amount of high explosives needed to reduce it to a moonscape (which is also impractical over a large area) unless weather conditions are such a self-sustaining forest fire can be started. But this is a rare occurrence in most jungles, which are defined by their extreme humidity and rainfall.

[Husseinarti]

Napalm is probably more anti-infantry than forest.

People are like, really allergic to fire or smth. They also don't like it when you deny them the ability to breath as well.

The sight is scary, the smell of former buddies now roasted Viet-cong is also bad.

Its hard an anti-environment weapon at all.

[Allanea]

I feel there are stories involved.

During Happening part 2: This Time we're Turning Your City to Ash edition, we were more or less in a race with another unit and to stay well motivated I took way more than the recommended amount of "stay awake" pills and became the most highly motivated man in the whole of Europe.
I crashed about three days later and napped in the back of a BMP-1 but the fucking Gunner kept poking me with the stick.

So who won the race?

[Husseinarti]

I crashed about three days later and napped in the back of a BMP-1 but the fucking Gunner kept poking me with the stick.

[New Vihenia]

Guys, gotta quick question.

So, as we see that physics modeling and supercomputer technology advanced in rapid pace, to the point that it's possible to actually simulate something like interception, war, etc before it actually happened.

Do you guys think it's possible now to develop weapons like missile and stuff, relying mostly on computer simulation before a prototype is actually build ? and hope it will be at least 99% work ?

[Federated Kingdom of Prussia]

Is it possible to use a nuclear weapon to create a tidal wave which might inundate coastal areas? Or do underwater nukes not work like that?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Is it possible to use a nuclear weapon to create a tidal wave which might inundate coastal areas? Or do underwater nukes not work like that?

Not enough water mass displaced, remember natural tsunamis are generated by forces thousands of times stronger than our nuclear weapons. You'd be better off just dropping the nuke on the coastal city.

[Kassaran]

Is it possible to use a nuclear weapon to create a tidal wave which might inundate coastal areas? Or do underwater nukes not work like that?

Not enough water mass displaced, remember natural tsunamis are generated by forces thousands of times stronger than our nuclear weapons. You'd be better off just dropping the nuke on the coastal city.

Better off dropping it above the coastal city...

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Not enough water mass displaced, remember natural tsunamis are generated by forces thousands of times stronger than our nuclear weapons. You'd be better off just dropping the nuke on the coastal city.

Better off dropping it above the coastal city...

Technical details.

[Crookfur]

Is it possible to use a nuclear weapon to create a tidal wave which might inundate coastal areas? Or do underwater nukes not work like that?

Oh it's possible but you have to look at the issue a bit sideways. The nuke alone won't do it but using the nuke to target a fault line or trigger a large scale underwater landslide could cuase the desired effects.

[Neu-Zipang]

As an addon, the Soviet Union (and now Russia) actually developed oversized nuclear armed torpedos for such purposes.
the T-15 (Soviet Union)
and the KANYON / Status-6 (Russia)

both can be found in this article here: http://www.hisutton.com/Analysis%20-%20 ... arine.html

Altough, it should be noted that the T-15 Project was abandoned relatively quickly, and the status of the KANYON projekt is somewhat uncertain.

But the point is, specialised nuclear warhed torpedos to attack coastal installations/cities either directly or via earthquakes / tsunamies existed / were / are planned.

[Allanea]

Kanyon/Status-6 is not, to anyone's knowledge, intended to cause earthquakes.