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by Puzikas » Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:28 pm
Sevvania wrote:I don't post much, but I am always here.
Usually waiting for Puz ;-;
by Theodosiya » Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:36 pm
Puzikas wrote:No
The tribalism of the communities in the area is a nightmare and you're a foreign invader to them even when you're not
The Soviets learned this the hard way when they decided sending troops from the Transcaucasia region into Afghanistan and we're met with fierce opposition culturally.
by Gallan Systems » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:02 am
Theodosiya wrote:Puzikas wrote:No
The tribalism of the communities in the area is a nightmare and you're a foreign invader to them even when you're not
The Soviets learned this the hard way when they decided sending troops from the Transcaucasia region into Afghanistan and we're met with fierce opposition culturally.
IF, and if, USA or othe country literally support and rain money on one of Afghanistan tribe, including "advisors" and "PMC" in sizeable number, could one Tribe became dominant and unite the country? Full support on many things, but make sure they're not Taliban or Al-Qaeda.
by Theodosiya » Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:13 am
Gallan Systems wrote:Theodosiya wrote:IF, and if, USA or othe country literally support and rain money on one of Afghanistan tribe, including "advisors" and "PMC" in sizeable number, could one Tribe became dominant and unite the country? Full support on many things, but make sure they're not Taliban or Al-Qaeda.
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by Great Britain and Northern Ireland-Japan » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:12 am
USA | UK |
Wing | Group |
Group | Wing |
Squadron | Squadron |
by Allanea » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:18 am
Theodosiya wrote:Puzikas wrote:No
The tribalism of the communities in the area is a nightmare and you're a foreign invader to them even when you're not
The Soviets learned this the hard way when they decided sending troops from the Transcaucasia region into Afghanistan and we're met with fierce opposition culturally.
IF, and if, USA or othe country literally support and rain money on one of Afghanistan tribe, including "advisors" and "PMC" in sizeable number, could one Tribe became dominant and unite the country? Full support on many things, but make sure they're not Taliban or Al-Qaeda.
by Allanea » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:19 am
Kassaran wrote:Allanea wrote:
Can you tell us more about how things like CAS are coordinated between the units that require it and the units that provide it?TIC goes up, goes to local headquarters element (from what I've gathered). TIC get's sorted and sent to where it needs to be, usually done within less than a minute, not due to fluidity in the system, but because the requests are specific and consistent in requirements based on the unit in question.
TIC gets put into queue for assignment by the local requested unit. If they request rotary-wing air cover (Apaches, which I'm to be working on soon enough), usually those can be scrambled. Fixed Wing is situational and can take a while to get on station if not already present. While you're supposed to have cover, sometimes there are attacks or complications on the FOBs and airbases responsible for scrambling those assets.
TIC, now given to assigned unit, is addressed. Dependent upon the amount of time the TIC has been open for, and the actual context of the fight, lives of the troops on the ground may be in higher stakes than before. Air cover then must begin directly communicating with ground forces, but only on specified channels, that's even if there's contact to be had. That back and forth, just as its always been, is what lets the aircraft overhead slowly catch onto the situation below, then address it as the pilot sees fit.
A typical TIC is closed by the CAS successfully rooting out or destroying the hostile enemy element. If they fail, the TIC might stay open, even though the threat leaves. Some have seen them open for ridiculously large amounts of time that in a war against an insurgency, aren't truly possible. There's just not enough sustainment from hostiles to maintain the TIC for that long.
(The research is done to ensure certain things I say are within the public reach and is just a CYOA.)
by Gallan Systems » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:23 am
Allanea wrote:Kassaran wrote:TIC goes up, goes to local headquarters element (from what I've gathered). TIC get's sorted and sent to where it needs to be, usually done within less than a minute, not due to fluidity in the system, but because the requests are specific and consistent in requirements based on the unit in question.
TIC gets put into queue for assignment by the local requested unit. If they request rotary-wing air cover (Apaches, which I'm to be working on soon enough), usually those can be scrambled. Fixed Wing is situational and can take a while to get on station if not already present. While you're supposed to have cover, sometimes there are attacks or complications on the FOBs and airbases responsible for scrambling those assets.
TIC, now given to assigned unit, is addressed. Dependent upon the amount of time the TIC has been open for, and the actual context of the fight, lives of the troops on the ground may be in higher stakes than before. Air cover then must begin directly communicating with ground forces, but only on specified channels, that's even if there's contact to be had. That back and forth, just as its always been, is what lets the aircraft overhead slowly catch onto the situation below, then address it as the pilot sees fit.
A typical TIC is closed by the CAS successfully rooting out or destroying the hostile enemy element. If they fail, the TIC might stay open, even though the threat leaves. Some have seen them open for ridiculously large amounts of time that in a war against an insurgency, aren't truly possible. There's just not enough sustainment from hostiles to maintain the TIC for that long.
(The research is done to ensure certain things I say are within the public reach and is just a CYOA.)
Okay, to continue this thought, how is the CAS budgeted? That's to say, obviously the planes and helicopters can do only a given amount of flights in a day, how is it decided how many flights is a given unit entitled to? Is this something the Brigade Commander decides, or his air officer, or?
by Crookfur » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:29 am
Great Britain and Northern Ireland-Japan wrote:The order for Air Force Hierarchy is as follows for the US and the UK:
USA UK Wing Group Group Wing Squadron Squadron
Which one of these does the JASDF use?
by Allanea » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:36 am
Pre-AFATDS: It depends on the unit.
by Husseinarti » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:58 am
Great Britain and Northern Ireland-Japan wrote:The order for Air Force Hierarchy is as follows for the US and the UK:
USA UK Wing Group Group Wing Squadron Squadron
Which one of these does the JASDF use?
by Gallan Systems » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:10 am
Allanea wrote:Pre-AFATDS: It depends on the unit.
The question was how are the decisions actually made.
Pre-AFATDS: It depends on the unit.
Allanea wrote:Suppose there is an ability to carry out 3 CAS missions today. Who gets them? Company A or Company C? Who decides this?
by Allanea » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:59 am
What are you asking? Honest question.
by Gallan Systems » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:04 am
Allanea wrote:What are you asking? Honest question.
It's a very simple question:
How are these operations budgeted?
Are they budgeted by the Brigade Commander to whose Brigade the helicopters belong to, based on his Scheme of Maneuver?
Are they budgeted by the Air Liaison Officer, in the way in which the Artillery Officer composes a Fire Budget, based on the Commander's Battle Plan or Scheme of Maneuver or whatever?
Are they budgeted by consultation?
by Austrasien » Fri Mar 17, 2017 7:54 am
Theodosiya wrote:Puzikas wrote:No
The tribalism of the communities in the area is a nightmare and you're a foreign invader to them even when you're not
The Soviets learned this the hard way when they decided sending troops from the Transcaucasia region into Afghanistan and we're met with fierce opposition culturally.
IF, and if, USA or othe country literally support and rain money on one of Afghanistan tribe, including "advisors" and "PMC" in sizeable number, could one Tribe became dominant and unite the country? Full support on many things, but make sure they're not Taliban or Al-Qaeda.
by Federated Kingdom of Prussia » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:44 pm
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:47 pm
Federated Kingdom of Prussia wrote:I think the US is a tribal society. Best military ever.
by Puzikas » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:30 am
Sevvania wrote:I don't post much, but I am always here.
Usually waiting for Puz ;-;
by Hurtful Thoughts » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:54 am
Puzikas wrote:Yeah but he's not wrong
American tribalism is less ethnic (well, was, until recently, and still is-though you wouldn't know it based on the microcosm of the internet) and more regional or way more arbitrary. Things like sports teams in America draw a divide as deep as some tribes in Afghanistan have, weirdly.
It's more homogeneous than other societies though so the tribalism aspect is more Nationwide-way more Americans are fiercely national about simply being American than a lot of other nations.
t. Observations of an immigrant to America who works in one of the most diverse areas of the country.
Mokostana wrote:See, Hurty cared not if the mission succeeded or not, as long as it was spectacular trainwreck. Sometimes that was the host Nation firing a SCUD into a hospital to destroy a foreign infection and accidentally sparking a rebellion... or accidentally starting the Mokan Drug War
Blackhelm Confederacy wrote:If there was only a "like" button for NS posts....
by Gallan Systems » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:30 pm
Federated Kingdom of Prussia wrote:I think the US is a tribal society.
Federated Kingdom of Prussia wrote:Best military ever.
by Federated Kingdom of Prussia » Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:02 pm
by The Soodean Imperium » Sat Mar 18, 2017 1:29 pm
by Puzikas » Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:41 pm
Hurtful Thoughts wrote:Puzikas wrote:Yeah but he's not wrong
American tribalism is less ethnic (well, was, until recently, and still is-though you wouldn't know it based on the microcosm of the internet) and more regional or way more arbitrary. Things like sports teams in America draw a divide as deep as some tribes in Afghanistan have, weirdly.
It's more homogeneous than other societies though so the tribalism aspect is more Nationwide-way more Americans are fiercely national about simply being American than a lot of other nations.
t. Observations of an immigrant to America who works in one of the most diverse areas of the country.
You better not be a Bears fan...
^Is almost a joke that based on how one responds to this in a post-apoc situation, whether one lives or dies.... or becomes instant BFFs.
Because hey, common-ground from sports is just as good as finding common ground in any other subject.
#Know your sports-rivalries. (and dude, some of them have stigma of fanbois being a tad too annoying, bro)
For example, end of the world... and running into Mike Sparks...
Sevvania wrote:I don't post much, but I am always here.
Usually waiting for Puz ;-;
by Neo Balka » Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:43 pm
Puzikas wrote:Hurtful Thoughts wrote:You better not be a Bears fan...
^Is almost a joke that based on how one responds to this in a post-apoc situation, whether one lives or dies.... or becomes instant BFFs.
Because hey, common-ground from sports is just as good as finding common ground in any other subject.
#Know your sports-rivalries. (and dude, some of them have stigma of fanbois being a tad too annoying, bro)
For example, end of the world... and running into Mike Sparks...
Broncos fan mate
I'm the big orange cancer
Better_than_bradey
I think we can all be united in our hate for that fuckboi
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