NS Military Realism Consultancy Thread Mk X Purps Safe Space

[Questers]

God forbid the soldiers actually shoot their bullets, they'll run our ammunition foundries dry!

Muzzle-loading best loading

Can't trust the unwashed conscripts with anything more

Maybe revolvers for officers, but let's not get carried away here

go home billy yank

[Gallia-]

no.

[Questers]

So close yet so far ;_;

[Gallia-]

actually they were never close at all

[Purpelia]

The confederates won where it counts. By having a way cooler flag and theme music they ensured that they will forever be remembered.

[Korva]

William "Ronson" Sherman's only crime was not burning more of the South.

[Gallia-]

William "Ronson" Sherman's only crime was not burning more of the South.

perhaps it should be burned again

only way to stop kudzu

[Autonomous Eastern Ukraine]

Burning your own country doesn't seem like the best plan to me.

[Gallia-]

good jape

[Autonomous Eastern Ukraine]

It was just a jape bro
-Sherman

[Tekeristan]

How effective would a cargo container stuffed with explosives be as a bottom laying mine?
Probably for secretly laying into straits and stuff.

[Scandinavian Nations]

By having a way cooler flag ...

So good, I still fly it.

basically AFAIK there's no real reason to choose SKS over AKM for reservists and militia.

If you have a surplus, there is, just because you can't produce enough AKMs and ammunition. Single/burst fire is still the dominant way AR are used.

But overall people who can't shoot or shouldn't shoot are more useful in a non-combat role than with an obsolete rifle.

[Allanea]

How effective would a cargo container stuffed with explosives be as a bottom laying mine?
Probably for secretly laying into straits and stuff.

The problem is that what you're proposing would cost more than a purpose-built mine once you finish adding in the price of the explosives, sensors, and all the other stuff needed.

[Tekeristan]

How effective would a cargo container stuffed with explosives be as a bottom laying mine?
Probably for secretly laying into straits and stuff.

The problem is that what you're proposing would cost more than a purpose-built mine once you finish adding in the price of the explosives, sensors, and all the other stuff needed.

Mines are visually more 'giving' away than an occasional cargo crate in hostile straits.
Of course, I was thinking that the containers would have a signal receiver and a pulse GPS (sends, stops, waits.). Agents on shore keep an eye on things. Since the idea is to be selective in the targeting.

[The Akasha Colony]

The problem is that what you're proposing would cost more than a purpose-built mine once you finish adding in the price of the explosives, sensors, and all the other stuff needed.

Mines are visually more 'giving' away than an occasional cargo crate in hostile straits.
Of course, I was thinking that the containers would have a signal receiver and a pulse GPS (sends, stops, waits.). Agents on shore keep an eye on things. Since the idea is to be selective in the targeting.

How do you propose to make GPS work underwater for a mine on the seafloor?

Or any other kind of communication? You'd have to use wires running to shore to connect the mines if you want to communicate with them, and that makes minelaying much more time consuming.

[Tekeristan]

Mines are visually more 'giving' away than an occasional cargo crate in hostile straits.
Of course, I was thinking that the containers would have a signal receiver and a pulse GPS (sends, stops, waits.). Agents on shore keep an eye on things. Since the idea is to be selective in the targeting.

How do you propose to make GPS work underwater for a mine on the seafloor?

Or any other kind of communication? You'd have to use wires running to shore to connect the mines if you want to communicate with them, and that makes minelaying much more time consuming.

That's an excellent point I have not considered.
I suppose sending up a floater, but those could be spotted.. It could be disguised as floating debries, as it only needs to send a pulse or few to identify its relative position.
But then comes the issue off getting the signal of detonation to it.
I do suppose it doesn't matter too much if it hits a cargo ship or a military ship, as either helps with my objectives in my operations, but if if there's a way I am able to do such, the better. Since I'd imagine there's risks in sending in divers to pull cable across the floor of a flowing strait.

Although, could NS it.

[The Akasha Colony]

That's an excellent point I have not considered.
I suppose sending up a floater, but those could be spotted.. It could be disguised as floating debries, as it only needs to send a pulse or few to identify its relative position.
But then comes the issue off getting the signal of detonation to it.
I do suppose it doesn't matter too much if it hits a cargo ship or a military ship, as either helps with my objectives in my operations, but if if there's a way I am able to do such, the better. Since I'd imagine there's risks in sending in divers to pull cable across the floor of a flowing strait.

The simpler solution is just to do what modern mines can already do and include an acoustic listening device programmed with the acoustic signatures of target ships. Thus, the mine itself can discriminate between civilian and military ships, and even between specific classes of ship, and target only the ones you want.

You can even program them to let some ships slip by to make it appear that no minefield is present and then activate and engage at a later time or after a set number of ship when the enemy may be lulled into a false sense of security (although any reasonably alert enemy will be very wary of mines in any constrained passages they may be transiting).

And rather than making them just bundles of explosives, make them torpedo mines so that a single mine or handful of mines can cover a fairly wide area, significantly increasing the threat.

[Questers]

I did a Gallan thing today. I replaced FV432 with a turretless Warrior. May God have mercy on my soul.

[Allanea]

The problem is that what you're proposing would cost more than a purpose-built mine once you finish adding in the price of the explosives, sensors, and all the other stuff needed.

Mines are visually more 'giving' away than an occasional cargo crate in hostile straits.
Of course, I was thinking that the containers would have a signal receiver and a pulse GPS (sends, stops, waits.). Agents on shore keep an eye on things. Since the idea is to be selective in the targeting.

What do you mean by 'visually'?

A naval mine cannot really be detected in a meaningful way other than by minesweepers and even then the first signal for the landmine's detection is your minesweeper exploding violently.

You cannot visually see 50 meters into the ocean from the surface and see an object that is as small as a naval mine.

[Gallia-]

I did a Gallan thing today. I replaced FV432 with a turretless Warrior. May God have mercy on my soul.

B R A V E
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[Tekeristan]

That's an excellent point I have not considered.
I suppose sending up a floater, but those could be spotted.. It could be disguised as floating debries, as it only needs to send a pulse or few to identify its relative position.
But then comes the issue off getting the signal of detonation to it.
I do suppose it doesn't matter too much if it hits a cargo ship or a military ship, as either helps with my objectives in my operations, but if if there's a way I am able to do such, the better. Since I'd imagine there's risks in sending in divers to pull cable across the floor of a flowing strait.

The simpler solution is just to do what modern mines can already do and include an acoustic listening device programmed with the acoustic signatures of target ships. Thus, the mine itself can discriminate between civilian and military ships, and even between specific classes of ship, and target only the ones you want.

You can even program them to let some ships slip by to make it appear that no minefield is present and then activate and engage at a later time or after a set number of ship when the enemy may be lulled into a false sense of security (although any reasonably alert enemy will be very wary of mines in any constrained passages they may be transiting).

And rather than making them just bundles of explosives, make them torpedo mines so that a single mine or handful of mines can cover a fairly wide area, significantly increasing the threat.

Well, that helps a lot!

In terms of torpedoes, the question is that since they're in a cargo container (since dropping undisguised mines will likely be harder to get away with), is how to disperse them. I do suppose that having GPS access would probably be helpful for that (guided torpedo mines), in which case, an underwater gps anchor might be quite helpful.

Automatic door release with a non-water proof container.. Paint the torpedoes sand colored.. Maybe a few magnetic?

@ Allanea
Floating into a hostile strait that's also surrounded by city to lay mines without any visual cover is probably along the lines of 'dangerous'.

[Allanea]

Just have a submarine deploy them.

I mean, it's not like people won't be suspicious if they see you dropping shipping containers overboard for a weird reason.

[Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502]

Much of the US State Department's leadership just resigned. Is this just the beginning of an exodus of government personnel who want nothing to do with the current administration? Even if it isn't, this doesn't bode well for the confidence government employees will have in their leadership.

[The Akasha Colony]

Well, that helps a lot!

In terms of torpedoes, the question is that since they're in a cargo container (since dropping undisguised mines will likely be harder to get away with), is how to disperse them. I do suppose that having GPS access would probably be helpful for that (guided torpedo mines), in which case, an underwater gps anchor might be quite helpful.

Automatic door release with a non-water proof container.. Paint the torpedoes sand colored.. Maybe a few magnetic?

@ Allanea
Floating into a hostile strait that's also surrounded by city to lay mines without any visual cover is probably along the lines of 'dangerous'.

You are hugely overthinking this.

Just drop the torpedoes in their canisters. Use an interior moon pool or something. No need for this cargo container business. It won't matter whether they look like they're in cargo containers as any reasonably competent intelligence agency can tell if you're dropping mines based on your behavior and the fact that you're dumping anything in the first place. Merchant ships aren't usually in the habit of dumping cargo containers overboard. Dumping things looks suspicious, either you're a foreign agent or you're a merchant trying to get away with dumping something illegal. It looks suspicious no matter what you do and will attract attention.

You don't need "GPS access" to disperse them, just drop them in various locations on your own. Or if for some reason you insist on making them self-deploying for some reason, just use an onboard INS. It's more than accurate enough for that use, you don't need them to be placed to the centimeter or anything. I'm not sure why you're so intent on not being spotted yet want to make them far more obvious by giving them "GPS tethers" for no useful purpose.

It doesn't really matter what color they are painted because visual searches aren't how they will be detected. And get a little farther from the shore and the bottom will no longer be sandy anyway, it will turn into mud and sediment.

Much of the US State Department's leadership just resigned. Is this just the beginning of an exodus of government personnel who want nothing to do with the current administration? Even if it isn't, this doesn't bode well for the confidence government employees will have in their leadership.

Can we not put this here? At least, it would be better suited to the non-military thread. Ideally, it would go in NSG.

[Imperializt Russia]

Much of the US State Department's leadership just resigned. Is this just the beginning of an exodus of government personnel who want nothing to do with the current administration? Even if it isn't, this doesn't bode well for the confidence government employees will have in their leadership.

Newt Gingrich said that any federal employee who voted Dem should be fired.
Luckily, no-one cares what he thinks.

More worrying is the dismissal of all US ambassadors without replacement. This leaves the US without diplomatic ties to any country, including ones where the relationship is very sensitive. It also suggests that Trump would want to fill all ambassadorial positions with idealogues and lackies - Ivanka has apparently expressed interest in becoming the US ambassador to the Czech Republic.