Nationalisation

[Maraque]

The following are nationalized:

Healthcare
Education
Police
Public transportation
Telecommunications
Heating
Electricity
Waste disposal
Mail delivery

However, private enterprise in those industries is allowed (sans police & education), and the government enjoys competition.

[F1-Insanity]

The government owns and controls:

-the entire oil/alternative fuels industry
-the entire uranium mining industry
-the entire arms manufacturing industry

Services like firefighting, police and hospitals are government controlled (at the least).

[Neo Israel]

Neo Israel notes that in this country, services such as firefighting and education are not regarded as standard industries, but as services the nation must essentially provide. As such, they are "owned" by the state.

[Ostronopolis]

Although there are some public services provided for by the states, most notably education, the Federal Government, and most state governments operate under a strict laissez-faire capitalist system. However, private competition is prevalent in nearly every sector including privately contracted police, military and security companies while private educational services and charity organizations; mostly run by religious institutions.

--- Jamie Elmer, Professor of Ostronopolian Studies ~ Zavier College

[Rodrigues-Alves]

Only schools and hospitals.

Oh, and the police and firefighters.

[Ostronopolis]

"We have specific legislation which permits workers to take control of their workplace from the former non-working owners."

Ah I see, nothing like legalized theft eh?

--- Gregory Helmsner ~ Founder of Free-Market Supporters Organization

[Fatatatutti]

"We have specific legislation which permits workers to take control of their workplace from the former non-working owners."

Ah I see, nothing like legalized theft eh?

"Theft" would imply that the prior ownership was legitimate. And since Fatatatutian culture has no strong tradition of individual property ownership at all, that kind of legitimacy is hard to establish. The possession-is-nine-points-of-the-law principle applies - those occupying the premises, using the tools, producing the goods, etc. have established considerable legitimacy.

-- Harmony Chang, President, Communist Party of Fatatatutti

[Neo Israel]

I think the billions of USD which I have poured in to this company from the day it was first established make my ownership fairly legitimate.

I do recall an early attempt by some work foreman to form a teamster's union, something they could use to strong-arm me at will, force me in to making decisions based on any demands they cared to make. I listened politely and heard them out as they explained their intention to me. I then picked up my desk telephone while they were still in the office, called my company's main lawyer, and told him to prepare to file for an immediate bankruptcy case.

Having done this I told the ringleaders that, in light of the unfortunate circumstances the entire work force would have to be laid off, effective immediately. I think that is still the quickest backtracking job I've seen in my entire life. Funny, in its own way.

- Hayim Asa, Founder and Chairman/CEO of Beirut Pharmaceutical

[Praetonia]

lol at all the "free marketeers" here who have nationalised police forces. That sort of bolshevism would never be tolerated in the true free world.

"We have specific legislation which permits workers to take control of their workplace from the former non-working owners."

Ah I see, nothing like legalized theft eh?

"Theft" would imply that the prior ownership was legitimate. And since Fatatatutian culture has no strong tradition of individual property ownership at all, that kind of legitimacy is hard to establish. The possession-is-nine-points-of-the-law principle applies - those occupying the premises, using the tools, producing the goods, etc. have established considerable legitimacy.

-- Harmony Chang, President, Communist Party of Fatatatutti

So if a worker takes their dividends from the co-op that they communally own and use it to buy tools which they rent to other workers, the other workers can take their tools away from them? That is exploitation, comrade.

[Amystris]

There are very Few Publicly owned buisnessess in Amystris

[Lowell Leber]

Arms Manufacturing, Railroads Manufacturing, Public Transit, and Aerospace Engineering are state owned. All emergency responder services are as well. The rest is private enterprise stricly overseen by the military government running the nation. Currently the government is in the process of buying out the largest private oil conglomerates in order to nationalize the oil industry as well.

[Ostronopolis]

" "Theft" would imply that the prior ownership was legitimate. And since Fatatatutian culture has no strong tradition of individual property ownership at all, that kind of legitimacy is hard to establish. The possession-is-nine-points-of-the-law principle applies - those occupying the premises, using the tools, producing the goods, etc. have established considerable legitimacy."

And how is an obtained factory or base of production using your own capital NOT having a legitimate base of ownership? While I'm not willing to argue with your social traditions, as that is non of my concern, I will say that your precept of the prior ownership having no legitimate right to actually own their property is thievery at best.

Those occupying the premises using the tools and producing the goods with the owner's capital and property, have no established legitimacy, as they are employed by the owner of the capital and resources at hand. They have no legitimacy to takeover the base of their work without the proper capital retribution paid to the owner.

--- Gregory Helmsner ~ Founder of Free-Market Supporters Organization

[La Habana]

Pub...lic...ly.....owned? *Struggles to pronounce phrase due to nobody in La Habana having heard it in decades* What is this term of which you speak?

Everything is privately owned in La Habana.....see factbook for details and more info

[Fatatatutti]

So if a worker takes their dividends from the co-op that they communally own and use it to buy tools which they rent to other workers, the other workers can take their tools away from them? That is exploitation, comrade.

Yes, renting tools to your own co-workers would be exploitation. A responsible worker-owner would vote to spend the money on communally-owned tools instead of distributing it as a dividend.

But the topic is about nationalization which has nothing to do with worker-controlled industries.

-- Harmony Chang, President, Communist Party of Fatatatutti

[Fatatatutti]

And how is an obtained factory or base of production using your own capital NOT having a legitimate base of ownership?

If you buy a factory with capital that was not earned legitimately, how is that legitimate?

... I will say that your precept of the prior ownership having no legitimate right to actually own their property is thievery at best.

Not at all. The prior owners were the thieves, who used the property in an illegitimate manner to exploit the workers. The property is simply being returned to somebody who will use it responsibly. It's rather similar to a police auction.

But the topic is about nationalization, not your odd ideas of property ownership.

-- Harmony Chang, President, Communist Party of Fatatatutti

[Neo Israel]

And how is an obtained factory or base of production using your own capital NOT having a legitimate base of ownership?

If you buy a factory with capital that was not earned legitimately, how is that legitimate?

How is it legitimate? I earned the money used to buy the place. It is legitimately mine, so long as the capital used is legitimately earned. I'm highly successful, and I will not apologize for my methods.

If you do not know what "methods" I speak of, see my previous statement.

- Hayim Asa, Founder and Chairman/CEO of Beirut Pharmaceutical

[Fatatatutti]

If you buy a factory with capital that was not earned legitimately, how is that legitimate?

How is it legitimate? I earned the money used to buy the place. It is legitimately mine, so long as the capital used is legitimately earned.

You're just procaliming that you earned the money legitimately. I said "IF it was NOT earned legitimately". If you exploited workers - e.g. if you underpaid them, made them work in unsafe conditions, polluted their environment, etc. - then you stole the money.

I'm highly successful, and I will not apologize for my methods.

I never asked you to apologize. I just turned your factory over to more responsible owners.

And can you guys please unbunch your panties and stick to the topic?

-- Harmony Chang, President, Communist Party of Fatatatutti

[Big Brain City]

We have national health,map,food,farm,post,education companies/systems.
Big Brain City is communist.

[Neo Israel]

If you buy a factory with capital that was not earned legitimately, how is that legitimate?

How is it legitimate? I earned the money used to buy the place. It is legitimately mine, so long as the capital used is legitimately earned.

You're just procaliming that you earned the money legitimately. I said "IF it was NOT earned legitimately". If you exploited workers - e.g. if you underpaid them, made them work in unsafe conditions, polluted their environment, etc. - then you stole the money.

I'm highly successful, and I will not apologize for my methods.

I never asked you to apologize. I just turned your factory over to more responsible owners.

And can you guys please unbunch your panties and stick to the topic?

-- Harmony Chang, President, Communist Party of Fatatatutti

Not really. We're trying to explain how we do things.

I have never, in all my days, done anything dishonest by my workers. They are well paid, given fine benefits, and work in the best safety regulated conditions. I make sure of it. That said, it is my company. I founded it, laid down the starting seed money, and I built it up by my husbandry of my resources.

If anybody tried to remove it from my control through a cowardly court slipknot, I would make it my personal goal to destroy that person, and I'm not in the least ashamed to say that.

- Hayim Asa, Founder and Chairman/CEO of Beirut Pharmaceutical

[Danneland]

While the Government leaves the companies to themselves they must however have at least one man of age (18+) from a Noble family within the board of directors. And since common man is not wise enough to handle their own money it does not matter in the end.

[Fatatatutti]

I have never, in all my days, done anything dishonest by my workers. They are well paid, given fine benefits, and work in the best safety regulated conditions. I make sure of it.

Then the workers would have little reason to want a change, would they? Our legislation is designed to encourage that kind of employer behaviour - and to remove employers who don't perform adequately. It's the ultimate in merit-based free enterprise.

That said, it is my company. I founded it, laid down the starting seed money, and I built it up by my husbandry of my resources.

And we still come back to the original question of how you obtained the seed money. If a thief gives you his loot, it is not legitimately yours.

If anybody tried to remove it from my control through a cowardly court slipknot, I would make it my personal goal to destroy that person, and I'm not in the least ashamed to say that.

There are eight billion of us.

-- Harmony Chang, President, Communist Party of Fatatatutti

[Neo Israel]

Then the workers would have little reason to want a change, would they? Our legislation is designed to encourage that kind of employer behaviour - and to remove employers who don't perform adequately. It's the ultimate in merit-based free enterprise.

I can understand why you do it. I simply do not agree it is necessary.

And we still come back to the original question of how you obtained the seed money. If a thief gives you his loot, it is not legitimately yours.

I was a lawyer, and a physician for many years. I eventually decided I wished to go in to business privately, mostly for the challenges.

There are eight billion of us.

-- Harmony Chang, President, Communist Party of Fatatatutti

You're no real concern, as no court would allow you to presume to enforce your laws on a Neo Israeli firm on Neo Israeli soil, and as there is no Beirut Pharmaceutical facility in your country, I have no cause to be worried.

- Hayim Asa, Founder and Chairman/CEO of Beirut Pharmaceutical

[Praetonia]

So if a worker takes their dividends from the co-op that they communally own and use it to buy tools which they rent to other workers, the other workers can take their tools away from them? That is exploitation, comrade.

Yes, renting tools to your own co-workers would be exploitation. A responsible worker-owner would vote to spend the money on communally-owned tools instead of distributing it as a dividend.

But the topic is about nationalization which has nothing to do with worker-controlled industries.

-- Harmony Chang, President, Communist Party of Fatatatutti

Ah, so workers own the companies, but only in so far as they do what Harmony Chang wants them to do? I see this Mutualism is not so different from Stalinism after all.

[Fatatatutti]

You're no real concern, as no court would allow you to presume to enforce your laws on a Neo Israeli firm on Neo Israeli soil, and as there is no Beirut Pharmaceutical facility in your country, I have no cause to be worried.

What the hell are you talking about? I never said one single solitary word about doing anything outside of Fatatatutti.

-- Harmony Chang, President, Communist Party of Fatatatutti

[New Olwe]

Public/nationalized industries in New Olwe:

Healthcare
Water
Power
Banking
Housing
Railways/Roads
Police/Prisons
Firefighters
Recycling/Sanitation
Military
Postal service, including Owl Post
Park service