Infantry Discussion Thread 9: Parabellum [NO KAIJU]

[Kynjold]

The gun was shit in real life.

How did it do in testing?

See the link I posted a page or so back.

[Allanea]

Oh well. Maybe with a top-feed magazine like the article suggests?

[Aqizithiuda]

While the page won't load on my phone, I remember the Powerhouse Museum having a better overview and history of the weapon.

Link 1

Link 2

IIRC, the issues were poor manufacturing and the hydraulic rate of fire reducer.

[Puzikas]

My ISP redirects me from the page
Denying me more gun knowings.

[Fordorsia]

My ISP redirects me from the page
Denying me more gun knowings.

I fucking knew you didn't know everything about gunz

When will the lies and deceit end


And aqiz, be a good kangaroo and answer my Roman pleb question

[Aqizithiuda]

My ISP redirects me from the page
Denying me more gun knowings.

I fucking knew you didn't know everything about gunz

When will the lies and deceit end


And aqiz, be a good kangaroo and answer my Roman pleb question

I don't know. That's more of a question for San, I think.

[Fordorsia]

San don't know shit


Okay another question. Why was segmentata (or an evolved segmentata) never owned by wealthy people during the migration period or even the middle ages? It's not like they didn't know about it, right? It's much better at protecting the torso than just mail, so why not have a segmentata-alike with mail sleeves and a skirt?

If it would be unsuitable for infantry due to weight, it would work fine for cavalry.

[Aqizithiuda]

San don't know shit


Okay another question. Why was segmentata (or an evolved segmentata) never owned by wealthy people during the migration period or even the middle ages? It's not like they didn't know about it, right? It's much better at protecting the torso than just mail, so why not have a segmentata-alike with mail sleeves and a skirt?

If it would be unsuitable for infantry due to weight, it would work fine for cavalry.

Most probably didn't know about it. The generic term for any kind of armour in Latin was "lorica", with the identifiers being added in the 19th century. Segmantata was also well out of use by the Migration Period, so both direct knowledge of it and knowledge of how to make it has been lost by the times you're speaking about.

[Fordorsia]

Ancient people were so dumb

[Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502]

Chainmail was always a heck of a lot more popular that segmenta. Migration era people probably just kept using what had suited them well forever.

[Puzikas]

Ew chainmail

Someone talk about guns

[Fordorsia]

Guns shooting chainmail bullets y/n

[Purpelia]

Ew chainmail

Someone talk about guns

Fine, here is one for you specifically. The AKS-74U and similar short weapons. What if any are your experiences and opinions on them? I don't recall you ever mentioning them.

[Aqizithiuda]

Ew chainmail

Someone talk about guns

According to Christine de Pizan, over 200 cannon - the smallest firing a 100lb stone - are ideally needed in order to beseige a castle manner by 600 men. Further, only 1/3 of the powder should already be made, with the remaining 2/3 kept as separate components and only mixed when needed.

[Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502]

The term 'bulletproof' originates from blacksmiths firing a pistol into a plate of armor to demonstrate that it was proof against bullets. Surviving Renaissance-era suits of armor can be seen to often have a dent in them, which is the proof mark.

[Fordorsia]

The term 'bulletproof' originates from blacksmiths firing a pistol into a plate of armor to demonstrate that it was proof against bullets. Surviving Renaissance-era suits of armor can be seen to often have a dent in them, which is the proof mark.

And in true hollywood fashion the buyer wore the armour during the test and was comically thrown off their feet by the bullet.

Ew chainmail

Someone talk about guns

According to Christine de Pizan, over 200 cannon - the smallest firing a 100lb stone - are ideally needed in order to beseige a castle manner by 600 men. Further, only 1/3 of the powder should already be made, with the remaining 2/3 kept as separate components and only mixed when needed.

That seems like a shit load of cannons. Like, too big of a shit load.

[Aqizithiuda]

The term 'bulletproof' originates from blacksmiths firing a pistol into a plate of armor to demonstrate that it was proof against bullets. Surviving Renaissance-era suits of armor can be seen to often have a dent in them, which is the proof mark.

And in true hollywood fashion the buyer wore the armour during the test and was comically thrown off their feet by the bullet.

According to Christine de Pizan, over 200 cannon - the smallest firing a 100lb stone - are ideally needed in order to beseige a castle manner by 600 men. Further, only 1/3 of the powder should already be made, with the remaining 2/3 kept as separate components and only mixed when needed.

That seems like a shit load of cannons. Like, too big of a shit load.

There were over 300 guns as Castillon and, of course, Christine is only giving the ideal situation. Probably most of the lesser guns would have been under 100lbs.

[Puzikas]

Ew chainmail

Someone talk about guns

According to Christine de Pizan, over 200 cannon - the smallest firing a 100lb stone - are ideally needed in order to beseige a castle manner by 600 men. Further, only 1/3 of the powder should already be made, with the remaining 2/3 kept as separate components and only mixed when needed.

That seems logical I suppose-but at what point does one draw the line at which the trebuchet is less efficient than the cannon?

And morover "the smallest"- how many? And how many of each tier of mass?

Fine, here is one for you specifically. The AKS-74U and similar short weapons. What if any are your experiences and opinions on them? I don't recall you ever mentioning them.

I'm pretty sure I've gushed my love for the AKS-74U before. I just adore it. I just generally love short barreled weapons in honesty-theres something so dreadfully serious about a 30cm≤ barrel, something so tough about it, so imposing. Everyone hates the concept of an all controlling impressive dictatorship-but there's always something so cool about them, you know? That's what the Short Barrel rifles (especially Kalashnikovs) are like to me. They have that look of just imperialistic control, they're this kind of black boot of the gun world to me.

The AKS-74U is one of my favorite rifles. It's not an excellent choice as a standard issue weapon but, in my policing experience, I immensely loved the combat pain train that was my Ukorochenniy Kalashnikova- my malyshka. It was light, it was fast, it was mean. I bought 8 RPK-74 magazines at what then was probably about $40 each for it, and I would keep them ready for situations where I needed them. I called it a snair drum. It was my rock and roll.
When they took her away I was pretty bummed. I got over it though.

[Gallia-]

=<30cm barrel = weakness and moral bankruptcy

20" barrel god's own length 5.56mm His own girth

[Gallia-]

you cant execute looters and deserters with a 12" barrel and still retain masculinity tbh

[Aqizithiuda]

According to Christine de Pizan, over 200 cannon - the smallest firing a 100lb stone - are ideally needed in order to beseige a castle manner by 600 men. Further, only 1/3 of the powder should already be made, with the remaining 2/3 kept as separate components and only mixed when needed.

That seems logical I suppose-but at what point does one draw the line at which the trebuchet is less efficient than the cannon?

And morover "the smallest"- how many? And how many of each tier of mass?

Fine, here is one for you specifically. The AKS-74U and similar short weapons. What if any are your experiences and opinions on them? I don't recall you ever mentioning them.

I'm pretty sure I've gushed my love for the AKS-74U before. I just adore it. I just generally love short barreled weapons in honesty-theres something so dreadfully serious about a 30cm≤ barrel, something so tough about it, so imposing. Everyone hates the concept of an all controlling impressive dictatorship-but there's always something so cool about them, you know? That's what the Short Barrel rifles (especially Kalashnikovs) are like to me. They have that look of just imperialistic control, they're this kind of black boot of the gun world to me.

The AKS-74U is one of my favorite rifles. It's not an excellent choice as a standard issue weapon but, in my policing experience, I immensely loved the combat pain train that was my Ukorochenniy Kalashnikova- my malyshka. It was light, it was fast, it was mean. I bought 8 RPK-74 magazines at what then was probably about $40 each for it, and I would keep them ready for situations where I needed them. I called it a snair drum. It was my rock and roll.
When they took her away I was pretty bummed. I got over it though.

Complete List of Cannons

[Puzikas]

=<30cm barrel = weakness and moral bankruptcy

20" barrel god's own length 5.56mm His own girth

Tbh I don't necessarily disagree
Ideal length for all barrels to me is between 380mm to 500mm for most cartridges, acceptable max is 600mm
Though carbiness at 300-360 are

[Sevvania]

Latest revisions to Sevvanian tank-hunting rifle.

I'm looking for suggestions/ideas on what it could fire. My current criteria are:
•Cartridge may be realworld or fictional.
•Must be suitable for big game hunting c.1895.
•Kinda want something that's at least .45 caliber.
•Must be able to penetrate at least 15mm of armor at 100m.
•Wadcutter-esque rounds would be acceptable, because reversed bullets.

[Fordorsia]

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Latest revisions to Sevvanian tank-hunting rifle.

I'm looking for suggestions/ideas on what it could fire. My current criteria are:
•Cartridge may be realworld or fictional.
•Must be suitable for big game hunting c.1895.
•Kinda want something that's at least .45 caliber.
•Must be able to penetrate at least 15mm of armor at 100m.
•Wadcutter-esque rounds would be acceptable, because reversed bullets.

You could have issues fitting certain large cartridges, but Frod 25x100mm



I'm sure if you give it a steel core it would eat tanks.

[Sevvania]

You could have issues fitting certain large cartridges, but Frod 25x100mm

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I'm sure if you give it a steel core it would eat tanks.

25mm is a bit higher than I wanna go, given the era and intent behind the weapon. It's a civilian hunting rifle from the late 19th century that was repurposed and utilized in a limited capacity against tanks during WWI. So it's not really something that should be eating tanks, so much as maybe slobbering all over them between occasional bites.