Infantry Discussion Thread 9: Parabellum [NO KAIJU]

[United states of brazilian nations]

Was bored so i drew something.

Volunteers from the Little Brazilian Eastern Front Expeditionary Force fighting alongside Soviet T-34-85s and Ilyushin Il-2Ms as Tankodesantniki, circa 1944.

HeyyyThatsPrettyGood.mov
Though as someone who plays War Thunder GF on the reg, "SCREEEEE"

I don't think i quite got it; i used to play War Thunder a lot until last year but i guess it flew over my head.

On unrelated news, i've got a free week right now (Motherland's week, since our independence day is there) and i guess i might play another match or two. But knowing my 400-600 ping, it probably won't be very enjoyable.

Oh, top page. Is it still standard practice to post a gun/infantry related stuff in the top page? i'll go search for a decent photo.

Brazilian PQDs from the Brigada de Infantaria Paraquedista (Paratrooper Infantry Brigade) stand with their IA-2 and MD97 rifles as they assemble for an exercise just before the Olympics.

[Balkenreich]

Was bored so i drew something.

Volunteers from the Little Brazilian Eastern Front Expeditionary Force fighting alongside Soviet T-34-85s and Ilyushin Il-2Ms as Tankodesantniki, circa 1944.

...

Just because you made me those smgs is the only reason why im not violently vomiting.

[Husseinarti]

(Edit: I CANT SPEL GUD)
Jeez, is everyone getting DEAT while I'm away?
First they took Sans, and Mick Swagger, then my beloved Rhoderberg, now The balkens? RIP in reeces pieces

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... when I go out to do my yearly "Puz is still horrifyingly unstable" journey into the woods. ...

u okie?

i'll never die

HeyyyThatsPrettyGood.mov
Though as someone who plays War Thunder GF on the reg, "SCREEEEE"

I don't think i quite got it; i used to play War Thunder a lot until last year but i guess it flew over my head.

On unrelated news, i've got a free week right now (Motherland's week, since our independence day is there) and i guess i might play another match or two. But knowing my 400-600 ping, it probably won't be very enjoyable.

Oh, top page. Is it still standard practice to post a gun/infantry related stuff in the top page? i'll go search for a decent photo.

Brazilian PQDs from the Brigada de Infantaria Paraquedista (Paratrooper Infantry Brigade) stand with their IA-2 and MD97 rifles as they assemble for an exercise just before the Olympics.

thats just to go clear out rio's mega slums right?

[United states of brazilian nations]

Was bored so i drew something.

Volunteers from the Little Brazilian Eastern Front Expeditionary Force fighting alongside Soviet T-34-85s and Ilyushin Il-2Ms as Tankodesantniki, circa 1944.

...

Just because you made me those smgs is the only reason why im not violently vomiting.

I know, i know, the drawning is crap (and the paper is all screwed up) and these guys are probably suicidal or something.

Have some earlier drawnings of late 19th century dakka to see if that cures ya.

I'll see if i can redeem myself though. I have an idea for a drawning, which recently came to my head when i recalled a post by a fellow here in IDT some years ago... I don't know when i will be able to work on it, but it is very likely to be done. And it will probably be less puke-inducing, unless you dislike huehue br br.

>implying anyone sane actually likes huehue br br

I don't think i quite got it; i used to play War Thunder a lot until last year but i guess it flew over my head.

On unrelated news, i've got a free week right now (Motherland's week, since our independence day is there) and i guess i might play another match or two. But knowing my 400-600 ping, it probably won't be very enjoyable.

Oh, top page. Is it still standard practice to post a gun/infantry related stuff in the top page? i'll go search for a decent photo.
(Image)
Brazilian PQDs from the Brigada de Infantaria Paraquedista (Paratrooper Infantry Brigade) stand with their IA-2 and MD97 rifles as they assemble for an exercise just before the Olympics.

thats just to go clear out rio's mega slums right?

Não, that is not sufficient for such a task.

To into favela, you must VBTP-MR Guarani, Urutu and AMTRAC.

[Fordorsia]

Why don't they just carpet bomb favelas? It would save more lives in the long run.

[United states of brazilian nations]

Why don't they just carpet bomb favelas? It would save more lives in the long run.

I don't think our Air Force has enough money to conduct such an operation.

Seriously, 60% of the FAB is grounded right now because of budget cuts. It's a miracle we're still being able to keep going with the Gripen purchase program.

But i think using our Mi-35s wouldn't be a bad idea. Their optics can keep the crew and the troops on the ground aware of the situation, it has enough armor to not get shot down by an AK or FAL like happened to a RJ Police "Esquilo" quite a few years ago, and if shit gets hot for the guys on the ground, its gunner can provide fire support with... acceptable collateral damage. No collateral damage would be impossible in the tightly packed environment of the Favela, but any operation there, with air support or not, will invariably have a significant degree of collateral damage. At least using the Mi-35s would ensure that traffickers running away from the Favelas could be neutralized instead of just being watched like happened in 2014 when a police helicopter located a group of armed men fleeing but was unable to do anything.

Since i get a feeling that this is getting a bit off-topic, i'd like to take the opportunity to ask more knowledgeable individuals who happen to be interested in this question if it would be feasible to use attack helicopters like the Mi-35 to provide fire support to troops in such a tight and irregular environment as the Favela. Consider it as an infantry operation against an irregular group and not as a police action, because over there it is said that when shit hits the fan and the Armed Forces are called in, it's just like war, just with more civilians than usual.

[Gallan Systems]

Why don't they just carpet bomb favelas? It would save more lives in the long run.

brazil isnt the us army

theyre more competent anyway

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/rio.htm

however this is SUPER grimdank:

Finally, the riots showed that National Guard and Federal troops will need to be better equipped for future civil disturbance operations. Radios suitable for the city environment, personal protective equipment, and less lethal means of dealing with well-armed criminal gangs are required in sufficient numbers to support police and military involved in a large civil disturbance.

pls us army pls

blast hooligans with m1 tnaks

turn every major us metropolitan area into fallujah

[Sediczja]

I was under the impression they called that Black Friday.

[Allanea]

Since i get a feeling that this is getting a bit off-topic, i'd like to take the opportunity to ask more knowledgeable individuals who happen to be interested in this question if it would be feasible to use attack helicopters like the Mi-35 to provide fire support to troops in such a tight and irregular environment as the Favela. Consider it as an infantry operation against an irregular group and not as a police action, because over there it is said that when shit hits the fan and the Armed Forces are called in, it's just like war, just with more civilians than usual.

It's not meaningfully different from any other urban combat environment.

[Puzikas]

Rip in peace balkans

Hypothetical question: If Russia really invaded Crimea, in a full-scale land war, and the US decided to get involved, how much would the average US Army infantryman change compared to how he's equipped now, in a COIN-based environment?

Loaded question.
Depends on the unit.
It would change greatly since it would result in the NCR and Cesar's Legion engaging in a battle over Hoover Dam while the Institute fights for their Technocracy, the Brotherhood goes all LITERALLY HITLER, and a random Self-Propelled Infantry Regimental wakes from a 200 year slumber to fight for TRUTH, JUSTICE, AND THE AMERICAN WAY with .38 special needs pipe guns in some bizzaro world.

(Edit: I CANT SPEL GUD)
Jeez, is everyone getting DEAT while I'm away?
First they took Sans, and Mick Swagger, then my beloved Rhoderberg, now The balkens? RIP in reeces pieces

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... when I go out to do my yearly "Puz is still horrifyingly unstable" journey into the woods. ...

u okie?

Lol no
The ATF can't catch me because I put my doggos somewhere else

Whyd Balk get the cold hand of mod tyrant pls nerf deat?
Have you been gone that long? Sans been flying a new flag for months, Mick shot himself and there's still a debate if his untimely passing is a good or bad thing.
I thought I saw you like a week ago.

Was bored so i drew something.

Volunteers from the Little Brazilian Eastern Front Expeditionary Force fighting alongside Soviet T-34-85s and Ilyushin Il-2Ms as Tankodesantniki, circa 1944.

O fug it's Brazil git hype
Someone get ready to be

to keep him around.

Should the Brazilians not be playing tankodesantniki from Stuart's or Chaffies?
Regardless nice art as ever.

How's the Coup d'etat then?

Mi-35s work fine for CAS/OSAS in basically every environment. The Hinds big failing in Urban combat was a blind spot some older Hinds had to detect incoming fire (fixed now) and collision. and as such really did need to have a good minded pilot.
Since this has been fixed and MI-35s will be fine as ever for fire support. The big advantage of Mi-24/35s being their ability to cary troops for CASEVAC/Reenforcment, the pure armor that lets them take a fair bit of punishment, and of course, armarment volume.

http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/documents/rio.htm

The hilarity that the US learned the same thing as Russia did at the same time is not lost on me.
Its just worthy of note that the experiences lead to such dramatically different results. This is obviously because of what was experienced.

[Imperializt Russia]

Did Mick actually kill himself?

Also which one was Mick again.

[Puzikas]

No he just committed fourmside suicide-by-shitposting

Corda Mk. II*

[Gallia-]

what is the bee thing

[Imperializt Russia]

Yaha, I get you now.

[Imperializt Russia]

what is the bee thing

Presumably, derisive comment that "5.56 is a smaller number than 7.62"

[Puzikas]

what is the bee thing

Idk it just makes me kek.
Probably a meme from Opchan or something that leaked to other gun boards that I browse.
It's just I have that issue of the magazine that add came from and I never realized how hilarious that face was until I saw the photo.

[Ascqvar-Pfaltzreich]

The Kingdom of Ascqvar-Pfaltzreich uses the Mas-36 bolt action rifle (current year being 1942 here) as the main rifle of the national army. The army developed this rifle using feedback from soldiers after using and reviewing other rifle designs over the course of several years. This rifle also serves alongside the Karabiner 98 Kurz which is used my some independently operated Civil Militias (Bürgermilizen) of Pfeltzreich.

[Paragania]

Are "dazzler" weapons/devices ever actually useful or used? I've seen a few images of these devices attached to M240s mounted on HMMWVs, but I've never seen them actually used or if they are actually effective. Further more, what about the US Air Force's specialized PHASR rifle?



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personn ... onse_rifle

[Puzikas]

The Protocol on Blinding Laser Weapons bans them in some regards

Article 1
It is prohibited to employ laser weapons specifically designed, as their sole combat function or as one of their combat functions, to cause permanent blindness to unenhanced vision, that is to the naked eye or to the eye with corrective eyesight devices. The High Contracting Parties shall not transfer such weapons to any State or non-State entity.

[Eisarn-Ara]

Ah shit fellas, footage from a German officer from the 3 Panzer Army Group "Center" circa the Summer of 1941; the original footage didn't have sound btw. (Buckle up history nerds, it's fucking fascinating)

[Imperializt Russia]

Are "dazzler" weapons/devices ever actually useful or used? I've seen a few images of these devices attached to M240s mounted on HMMWVs, but I've never seen them actually used or if they are actually effective. Further more, what about the US Air Force's specialized PHASR rifle?

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personn ... onse_rifle

What devices attached to 240s? As Puz pointed out, they're banned.

A pilot-blinding system was proposed for the F-35. Galla says it was dropped for reasons beside the ban.

[Sediczja]

Permanent blinding devices are banned, temporary blinders are not AFAIK.

One of those M240-mounted dazzlers, for reference.

[Puzikas]

Tbh the impulse of radiant light or otherwise needed to blind a person permanently is so high it's basically impossible to do with a system that weighs less than an unnecessary amount.
Basically any convenient sized blinder is going to be "temporary" blinding, larger blinders would basically work by cooking your eyeballs.
Mm
Cooked eyes.

[Purpelia]

Looking at rifles and how they work and stuff and I was looking at AK's. And whilst I've found some good cross section images and stuff I can't rightly tell if the bolt is supposed to lock up into an extension that's part of the barrel or if it's part of the receiver and the barrel also slots into that.

So which is it?

[United states of brazilian nations]

Was bored so i drew something.

Volunteers from the Little Brazilian Eastern Front Expeditionary Force fighting alongside Soviet T-34-85s and Ilyushin Il-2Ms as Tankodesantniki, circa 1944.

O fug it's Brazil git hype
Someone get ready to be

to keep him around.

Should the Brazilians not be playing tankodesantniki from Stuart's or Chaffies?
Regardless nice art as ever.

How's the Coup d'etat then?

Mi-35s work fine for CAS/OSAS in basically every environment. The Hinds big failing in Urban combat was a blind spot some older Hinds had to detect incoming fire (fixed now) and collision. and as such really did need to have a good minded pilot.
Since this has been fixed and MI-35s will be fine as ever for fire support. The big advantage of Mi-24/35s being their ability to cary troops for CASEVAC/Reenforcment, the pure armor that lets them take a fair bit of punishment, and of course, armarment volume.

The drawning is supposed to portray a Little Brazilian (one of the states that later united to form the USBN in my nation's canon) expeditionary group that got sent to the Eastern Front to fight alongside Soviet forces. To into Coup d'etat, you must Walker Bulldog.

For a second i had forgotten the Hind could carry troops. That would indeed be quite useful for evacuation or insertion of troops in strategic locations, even though i suppose it would still be suicidal to attempt to drop troops in a hot LZ despite its armor since those bastards have been known to get their hands on RPGs. Sometimes i wonder how can they get so much crap past the border.