Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO FUN] Mark IX

[Allanea]

So um.

What does the Leopard 2's driver do if there's an onboard fire - say the tank is shot - and he needs to get our RFN?

[United Daene Peoples]

I think I like the idea of a fairly provicial army with mostly light tanks sort of like the German LK I that would be used to deal with internal rioting and some amount of island border defense through the late 1910's till the early 1940's.

[Fordorsia]

So um.

What does the Leopard 2's driver do if there's an onboard fire - say the tank is shot - and he needs to get our RFN?

The hatch is in no way blocked when the turret is turned like 45 degrees. If it's backwards or the cutout in the front isn't lined up, I guess you sit tight. Modern MBTs seem to favour the idea of staying and not having to get out of the tank when the ammo blows up or is on fire, because fireproofness and stuff.

[Korva]

So um.

What does the Leopard 2's driver do if there's an onboard fire - say the tank is shot - and he needs to get our RFN?

approximate fluid dynamics

[Dostanuot Loj]

So um.

What does the Leopard 2's driver do if there's an onboard fire - say the tank is shot - and he needs to get our RFN?

Believe it or not, the driver is less screwed then the gunner.

Any position where the turret blocks the driver's hatch, the driver can go out the turret.
And he still has a hatch in the floor which he can get out of.

[Ardoki]

Armoured Brigade - (MBTs and IFVs)
Mechanised Brigade - (Tank Destroyers and APCs)

Thoughts?

[The Akasha Colony]

Armoured Brigade - (MBTs and IFVs)
Mechanised Brigade - (Tank Destroyers and APCs)

Thoughts?

The mechanized brigade should still have IFVs.

And honestly, the most effective tank destroyer is another tank, so the question remains: what is the purpose of the mechanized brigade?

[Ardoki]

Armoured Brigade - (MBTs and IFVs)
Mechanised Brigade - (Tank Destroyers and APCs)

Thoughts?

The mechanized brigade should still have IFVs.

And honestly, the most effective tank destroyer is another tank, so the question remains: what is the purpose of the mechanized brigade?

There would be less tank destroyers in the mechanised brigade than there would be tanks in an armoured brigade. The tank destroyers were to supplement the APCs in case of danger. The armoured brigades would be for breakthroughs, so would be more powerful.

But would you suggest relying on IFVs? How much more expensive are they when compared to APCs generally?

[Summercrest Isles]

For my military's main armour I want to use something like the Sheridan. I know the Sheridan was.....less than successful, but I love the 152mm gun-launcher and the shillyshally missile or whatever the hell the pronunciation is. How stupid of an idea is it to use the Sheridan as inspiration? I love the idea of a light mobile tank with a big stupid gun-launcher. Would a Sheridan type vehicle even be any use in this decade?

[Democratic Koyro]

For my military's main armour I want to use something like the Sheridan. I know the Sheridan was.....less than successful, but I love the 152mm gun-launcher and the shillyshally missile or whatever the hell the pronunciation is. How stupid of an idea is it to use the Sheridan as inspiration? I love the idea of a light mobile tank with a big stupid gun-launcher. Would a Sheridan type vehicle even be any use in this decade?

You don't need a stupidly big gun launcher when you can fit tank cannons that can fire ATGM's onto lightweight air-mobile (or even para capable, in the case of the 2S25) platforms.

[Summercrest Isles]

For my military's main armour I want to use something like the Sheridan. I know the Sheridan was.....less than successful, but I love the 152mm gun-launcher and the shillyshally missile or whatever the hell the pronunciation is. How stupid of an idea is it to use the Sheridan as inspiration? I love the idea of a light mobile tank with a big stupid gun-launcher. Would a Sheridan type vehicle even be any use in this decade?

You don't need a stupidly big gun launcher when you can fit tank cannons that can fire ATGM's onto lightweight air-mobile (or even para capable, in the case of the 2S25) platforms.

But muh 152mm gun launcher how else am I supposed to blast bunkers away? Little baby 120 and 125mm guns won't cut it dangit! But in all seriousness, would an actually reliable well made version of the 152mm gun launcher have any advantage over a 120mm/125mm smoothbore cannon?

[Gallia-]

M81 wasn't unreliable or poorly made, so probably.

[Summercrest Isles]

M81 wasn't unreliable or poorly made, so probably.

I thought the Sheridan and Starship had a shitload of issues with it, or was it just with the Shillelelalalalalalalaleeahgh and not the HEAT and HE rounds?

[New Korongo]

But muh 152mm gun launcher how else am I supposed to blast bunkers away? Little baby 120 and 125mm guns won't cut it dangit! But in all seriousness, would an actually reliable well made version of the 152mm gun launcher have any advantage over a 120mm/125mm smoothbore cannon?

It would have an advantage in an anti-structure/anti-fortification role because the amount of high-explosive in each round would be higher, but it probably wouldn't offer a meaningful increase over the performance offered by 120 mm and 125 mm guns while also restricting the amount of ammunition the vehicle could carry.

[Silver cannon]

our ground vehicles are clearly advanced our mechs can rip a tank into too we also use tanks butt eh we crush our enemy's and make then join the empire we will crush as long as the battle is on ground because if all fails we bomb the battle field to take out the enemy troops so anyone want to battle us? No I thought so

[New Korongo]

our ground vehicles are clearly advanced our mechs can rip a tank into too we also use tanks butt eh we crush our enemy's and make then join the empire we will crush as long as the battle is on ground because if all fails we bomb the battle field to take out the enemy troops so anyone want to battle us? No I thought so

Dropping ordnance from aircraft? What a game changer. Our armed forces are clearly outclassed.

[Gallia-]

M81 wasn't unreliable or poorly made, so probably.

I thought the Sheridan and Starship had a shitload of issues with it, or was it just with the Shillelelalalalalalalaleeahgh and not the HEAT and HE rounds?

There was nothing technically wrong with it. It was just a dumb gun.

But muh 152mm gun launcher how else am I supposed to blast bunkers away? Little baby 120 and 125mm guns won't cut it dangit! But in all seriousness, would an actually reliable well made version of the 152mm gun launcher have any advantage over a 120mm/125mm smoothbore cannon?

It would have an advantage in an anti-structure/anti-fortification role because the amount of high-explosive in each round would be higher, but it probably wouldn't offer a meaningful increase over the performance offered by 120 mm and 125 mm guns while also restricting the amount of ammunition the vehicle could carry.

Typical 125mm guns throw HE shells twice the weight of anything M81 had, so no this is wrong.

152mm's sole advantage was that it could have larger HEAT cone diameters.

This is not a particularly good advantage, considering the best possible performance from its in terms of kinetic energy (using XM150 or something) would be comparable to an early 80's L7.

[Silver cannon]

our ground vehicles are clearly advanced our mechs can rip a tank into too we also use tanks butt eh we crush our enemy's and make then join the empire we will crush as long as the battle is on ground because if all fails we bomb the battle field to take out the enemy troops so anyone want to battle us? No I thought so

Dropping ordnance from aircraft? What a game changer. Our armed forces are clearly outclassed.

Well it does clearly blow your troops up so....

[Laritaia]

For my military's main armour I want to use something like the Sheridan. I know the Sheridan was.....less than successful, but I love the 152mm gun-launcher and the shillyshally missile or whatever the hell the pronunciation is. How stupid of an idea is it to use the Sheridan as inspiration? I love the idea of a light mobile tank with a big stupid gun-launcher. Would a Sheridan type vehicle even be any use in this decade?

The flaws with the Sheridan had little to do with the concept of a large bore gun/launcher and more to do with problems all vehicles that mount powerful guns on light weight chassis suffer from.

as to weather it would be viable in the current battlefield enviroment, that depends on what you intend to use it for.

What it was built for. ie providing mobile fire support for paratroop and cavelry units.

Or a role it was never intended for, like going toe to toe against bigger and badder Main Battle Tanks, which will go through a sheriden like a DU Dart through 65mm of aluminium.

[Silver cannon]

just saw no mechs on the board I'll just see my self out...

[Gallia-]

For my military's main armour I want to use something like the Sheridan. I know the Sheridan was.....less than successful, but I love the 152mm gun-launcher and the shillyshally missile or whatever the hell the pronunciation is. How stupid of an idea is it to use the Sheridan as inspiration? I love the idea of a light mobile tank with a big stupid gun-launcher. Would a Sheridan type vehicle even be any use in this decade?

The flaws with the Sheridan had little to do with the concept of a large bore gun/launcher and more to do with problems all vehicles that mount powerful guns on light weight chassis suffer from.

as to weather it would be viable in the current battlefield enviroment, that depends on what you intend to use it for.

What it was built for. ie providing mobile fire support for paratroop and cavelry units.

Or a role it was never intended for, like going toe to toe against bigger and badder Main Battle Tanks, which will go through a sheriden like a DU Dart through 65mm of aluminium.

The fire support it provided was pretty lack luster given the gun's anemic capabilities to begin with tbh.

It really was just designed around the missile.

[Vancon]

Evening.

[Summercrest Isles]

It really was just designed around the missile.

How did the Shillelagh perform when it worked properly anyways? I've heard it had basically the same performance as the original TOW, is that true?

Also where can you find out more info about the M81 and its rounds? I've wondered how much penetration the HEAT had, and also how the MBT-70's sabot rounds performed.

[The Florence Union]

For my military's main armour I want to use something like the Sheridan. I know the Sheridan was.....less than successful, but I love the 152mm gun-launcher and the shillyshally missile or whatever the hell the pronunciation is. How stupid of an idea is it to use the Sheridan as inspiration? I love the idea of a light mobile tank with a big stupid gun-launcher. Would a Sheridan type vehicle even be any use in this decade?

You could mount a Sheridan turret on the Stryker AFV that would look pretty sick actually, probably isn't really realistic but who caressssssss. Or you could mount it on the CV90120-T, that's more realistic and still retains light tank aspects.

[Gallia-]

It really was just designed around the missile.

How did the Shillelagh perform when it worked properly anyways? I've heard it had basically the same performance as the original TOW, is that true?

Also where can you find out more info about the M81 and its rounds? I've wondered how much penetration the HEAT had, and also how the MBT-70's sabot rounds performed.

It worked fine when it worked and was very accurate, weather permitting. Aside from the wireless issue, it was a decent enough missile. The problem was it was a missile. A sabot is always better than that.

Hunnicutt has some stuff about M81 and its ammunition size etc.

MBT-70's sabot rounds were probably mediocre.