Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO FUN] Mark IX

[Rhodesialund]

Well, think about it. Anytime you see those well-known videos of tanks exploding, do you think that's the petrol exploding? Gasoline burns. Ammunition explodes.

I figured it was hard to get shells to go off all together, even if the were near each other. I mean when you heat up rifle cartridges, the casings explode. There's no fire, just a bang.

Are the shell casings being pentrated all together, and then something setting all the propellant on fire, or is it the burning propellant of one shell setting others off?

Take a look at this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VegjIIN6CLk

It's the heat that sets off the cartridge, and with bullets, it explodes, but you have so much more powder being stored in a shell than a normal rifle cartridge. On top of that, tanks that store HE rounds can be blown up more effectively.

[Imperializt Russia]

I mean actual fires, like fuel fires.

That said I don't know much about propellant. I thought they just made a small, contained fires, and that burning fuel was the cause of burnt out tanks.

Nah, it's propellant.

>most respected tank authors
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Skimming over it, it seems armour like that gave the molten jets of shaped charges time to form before hitting the steel. No idea about that, but it seems like it should be considered.

Not sure about that. Standoff distance usually refers to through air. Hence why spaced armour and cage armour was introduced, to destabilise jets before they properly formed or otherwise remove it from optimal standoff. WWII shaped charges weren't exactly at the optimum point and IIRC standoff distance wasn't properly understood until very late in the war.

Concrete is a material that HEAT penetrates with relative ease but I imagine it would still contribute to destabilising of jets. Especially since struck concrete would probably fracture, further disrupting jets.

I imagine it's not deleterious to protection, but simply not useful. If you slap two inches of concrete onto the front of your tank then against HEAT, that's probably less than half an inch of RHAe, but best part of a tonne more weight.

Well, think about it. Anytime you see those well-known videos of tanks exploding, do you think that's the petrol exploding? Gasoline burns. Ammunition explodes.

I figured it was hard to get shells to go off all together, even if the were near each other. I mean when you heat up rifle cartridges, the casings explode. There's no fire, just a bang.

Are the shell casings being pentrated all together, and then something setting all the propellant on fire, or is it the burning propellant of one shell setting others off?

I don't know about period propellant, but with modern propellant you have the mostly-insensitive RDX/HDX mixes for the main body of the propellant, and the combustible case is made of a TNT mix. Pretty sure TNT ignites to a degree.

Non-electric tank rounds are set off with a primer charge like all cartridges, which detonates the main bulk of the propellant and the case burns with it. This is all held by the high-pressure chamber of the gun breech. In the fighting compartment, it basically just burns.

Remember the "ultrakilled T-72" video from Syria? Ammunition fire. It was a very intense, very short, fire that completely engulfed the fighting compartment.
Funnily enough, it's the video above.

[Gallia-]

cage armor is for physically disrupting piezoelectric fuses of rpgs it does nothing/very little if the warhead actualyl detonates

[Imperializt Russia]

cage armor is for physically disrupting piezoelectric fuses of rpgs it does nothing/very little if the warhead actualyl detonates

I thought that if it failed to disrupt the fuse it could still force it to detonate beyond standoff?

[Laritaia]

cage armor is for physically disrupting piezoelectric fuses of rpgs it does nothing/very little if the warhead actualyl detonates

well it does, it increases stand off between the hull and the warhead reducing penetration. The cage just doesn't tend to survive when this happens.

[Gallia-]

cage armor is for physically disrupting piezoelectric fuses of rpgs it does nothing/very little if the warhead actualyl detonates

I thought that if it failed to disrupt the fuse it could still force it to detonate beyond standoff?

it would probably increase penetration if anything since old rpgs are suboptimal standoff

stryker or d9 or whatever's puny armour isnt going to stop a degraded shaped charge that hits it anyway without ERA

[The Greater Aryan Race]

The belief that it was essential to hold ground at all cost was hardly unusual at the time. The Soviets issued the same order, remember?

Well technically Stalin issued that order. Plenty of instances during Barborrosa when his field commanders begged for authorisation to withdraw their troops before they were encircled by Wehrmacht, only to be refused with typical results.

Really, after the frontier debacles of 1941 and the early months of 1942, the notion of holding ground at all costs was largely discredited within the Red Army.

Hitler was trained as an infantryman in the first world war. It is quite understandable that he would consider holding ground of vital importance, for both military and political reasons, given his experience. Plenty of German officers (especially in the infantry and artillery) probably agreed with him completely. Especially those who were also WWI veterans, and there were many.

Yes but for all intents and purposes, trying to hold ground even when your enemy vastly outnumbers you and is already penetrating your flanks towards your rear tends to lose any significant purpose. And quite contrary, many German officers (senior commanders) were wholly against such a policy like Manstein, who had to literally beg Hitler to withdraw troops from Ukraine and the Crimea before the advancing Soviet forces ground them down.

[Allanea]

Many people who spoke to Hitler during the latter 2 years of the Third Reich had the belied that he had did not have a full contact with reality. A common thing Hitler did was look at division markers on the map and assume the divisions were full-strength - even after being told repeatedly that they were in fact severely undermanned.

This is described, for instance, in Beevor's Stalingrad and Berlin: The Downfall.

[Ardavia]

Many people who spoke to Hitler during the latter 2 years of the Third Reich had the belied that he had did not have a full contact with reality. A common thing Hitler did was look at division markers on the map and assume the divisions were full-strength - even after being told repeatedly that they were in fact severely undermanned.

This is described, for instance, in Beevor's Stalingrad and Berlin: The Downfall.

Hitler's... disconnection with reality in the later years of the war quite contrasts with the recorded conversation between him and Mannerheim in 1942, where he states that Germany was not ready for the war against Russia, that the Russians had more tanks than he had believed possible, and that the German army was ill-equipped for winter warfare.

The recording in general is quite interesting. His voice is surprisingly pleasant, for one.

[The Greater Aryan Race]

Many people who spoke to Hitler during the latter 2 years of the Third Reich had the belied that he had did not have a full contact with reality. A common thing Hitler did was look at division markers on the map and assume the divisions were full-strength - even after being told repeatedly that they were in fact severely undermanned.

This is described, for instance, in Beevor's Stalingrad and Berlin: The Downfall.

While constantly underestimating the strength and disposition of enemy forces. Beevor described it quite succinctly in Berlin when Hitler decried Guderian's estimations of Soviet troop build-ups prior to the Vistula-Oder offensive as "the greatest imposture since Genghis Khan", with the approval of sycophants like Keitel and Himmler.

[Imperializt Russia]

Many people who spoke to Hitler during the latter 2 years of the Third Reich had the belied that he had did not have a full contact with reality. A common thing Hitler did was look at division markers on the map and assume the divisions were full-strength - even after being told repeatedly that they were in fact severely undermanned.

This is described, for instance, in Beevor's Stalingrad and Berlin: The Downfall.

Hitler's... disconnection with reality in the later years of the war quite contrasts with the recorded conversation between him and Mannerheim in 1942, where he states that Germany was not ready for the war against Russia, that the Russians had more tanks than he had believed possible, and that the German army was ill-equipped for winter warfare.

The recording in general is quite interesting. His voice is surprisingly pleasant, for one.

Hitler was, after all, on an increasing cocktail of drugs by the latter stages of the war, and was probably suffering psychological stresses on top from the war dragging on hopelessly.

[The Greater Aryan Race]

Hitler was, after all, on an increasing cocktail of drugs by the latter stages of the war, and was probably suffering psychological stresses on top from the war dragging on hopelessly.

Being bombed by one of his officers and suffering some injuries in the process probably had something to do with that too.

[Imperializt Russia]

Hitler was, after all, on an increasing cocktail of drugs by the latter stages of the war, and was probably suffering psychological stresses on top from the war dragging on hopelessly.

Being bombed by one of his officers and suffering some injuries in the process probably had something to do with that too.

That was like 1943. It was neither the first nor last high-profile assassination attempt tbh.

[The Greater Aryan Race]

That was like 1943. It was neither the first nor last high-profile assassination attempt tbh.

1944 I think. And technically that was the last assassination attempt on Hitler (unless you count Speer's attempt to pump tabun gas into Hiter's bunker in 1945).

[Fordorsia]

Muh 1945 BMP wip

[Schwere Panzer Abieltung 502]

Being bombed by one of his officers and suffering some injuries in the process probably had something to do with that too.

That was like 1943. It was neither the first nor last high-profile assassination attempt tbh.

Well, hey, repeated assassination attempts probably won't help.

Muh 1945 BMP wip

That guy in the turret is facing the wrong way.

[Fordorsia]

That guy in the turret is facing the wrong way.

He has a lot more room to load than if he was facing forward.

[Ardavia]

So here's another medium tank design, because I was bored and making tanks in Blender never gets old.

[Fordorsia]

So here's another medium tank design, because I was bored and making tanks in Blender never gets old.

Model one of my tonks pls and I'll draw your stopid futurknife

[Ardavia]

So here's another medium tank design, because I was bored and making tanks in Blender never gets old.

Model one of my tonks pls and I'll draw your stopid futurknife

which one

[Fordorsia]

Model one of my tonks pls and I'll draw your stopid futurknife

which one

Not sure. You only have the one set of tracks don't you?

[Imperializt Russia]

That guy in the turret is facing the wrong way.

He has a lot more room to load than if he was facing forward.

He will be facing the gun when he's stood to load it.
Just give him a bum pad on the back wall like most tanks do.

[Ardavia]

which one

Not sure. You only have the one set of tracks don't you?

It's not too hard to make a track link, slap on an array modifier and bend the resulting row of links along a curve.

I'm usually just too lazy to do it, so I copy and paste them.

[Schwere Panzer Abieltung 502]

So here's another medium tank design, because I was bored and making tanks in Blender never gets old.

Panzer IV/V with the cupola layout of the Tiger?

[Purpelia]

yes and your reward is to live out the rest of your life in the soviet union

I know! Like isn't it awesome. It's a complete no lose situation. If I die I go to heaven for fighting against evil nazis and if I survive I still go to heaven and live my days out in the peoples paradise.

This said, screw the 152 I'd pick an IS-2.