Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO FUN] Mark IX

[Imperializt Russia]

It's a joke about the poor survival prospects of a T-34 crew.

[Purpelia]

It's a joke about the poor survival prospects of a T-34 crew.

Beats those of a Maus crew. That thing can't even move fast enough to evade a mildly dedicated balloonist.

[Monemvasia]

Thoughts about the Turkish Altay tank? It shares features (mostly armor layout) with the South Korean K2.

Allegedly, Otokar is considering an "electric" engine in based on the one installed on the Doruk Electra bus. Or an 1,800 domestically developed conventional powerpack, which given current technological limitations seems more likely.

Per unit price is 5 to 8 million US dollars. About, if not slightly more, than what the surplus Leopard 2A4s the Turks operate cost initially.

I'm kinda dubious, but the power pack is potentially interesting. And it looks nice and different from the myriad Russian and Western stuff, in keeping with my tank hipster tendencies.

[Fordorsia]

It's a joke about the poor survival prospects of a T-34 crew.

Watching the Chieftain's video on the T-34, I'm amazed that anyone agreed to go into battle as a crewman of that thing. It's absurd.

It's a joke about the poor survival prospects of a T-34 crew.

Beats those of a Maus crew. That thing can't even move fast enough to evade a mildly dedicated balloonist.

A shell that penetrates the Maus would be lucky if it killed more than one or two people unless it detonates the ammo. A shell than penetrates a T-34 would be unlucky if it didn't kill most of the crew.

[Purpelia]

A shell that penetrates the Maus would be lucky if it killed more than one or two people unless it detonates the ammo. A shell than penetrates a T-34 would be unlucky if it didn't kill most of the crew.

And up until the point that hit occurred the T-34 will have traveled to Berlin and back, fought in Korea and ended up being exported to a 3rd world country. The maus meanwhile will have managed to get 1/5 of its way down the factory parking lot.

The problem with big, static targets is that they are easy to hit until they break.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Thoughts about the Turkish Altay tank? It shares features (mostly armor layout) with the South Korean K2.

Allegedly, Otokar is considering an "electric" engine in based on the one installed on the Doruk Electra bus. Or an 1,800 domestically developed conventional powerpack, which given current technological limitations seems more likely.

Per unit price is 5 to 8 million US dollars. About, if not slightly more, than what the surplus Leopard 2A4s the Turks operate cost initially.

I'm kinda dubious, but the power pack is potentially interesting. And it looks nice and different from the myriad Russian and Western stuff, in keeping with my tank hipster tendencies.

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I think Turkey is lowballing the production costs, and the Altay is now a ho-hum 3.5gen now that the Armata is a thing

It's a joke about the poor survival prospects of a T-34 crew.

Watching the Chieftain's video on the T-34, I'm amazed that anyone agreed to go into battle as a crewman of that thing. It's absurd.

T-34/76 was the best tank of the war

better enough for long enough to doom the hun to his fate

[Crookfur]

It's a joke about the poor survival prospects of a T-34 crew.

Watching the Chieftain's video on the T-34, I'm amazed that anyone agreed to go into battle as a crewman of that thing. It's absurd.

Beats those of a Maus crew. That thing can't even move fast enough to evade a mildly dedicated balloonist.

A shell that penetrates the Maus would be lucky if it killed more than one or two people unless it detonates the ammo. A shell than penetrates a T-34 would be unlucky if it didn't kill most of the crew.

It's not as though they had much choice in the matter. Of course a few got lucky and could ride around in matilda IIs, valentines, stuarts, Lees or shermans with all the decadent features the corrupt west squeezed into thier tanks in place of more efficent and glorious fascist killing stuff.

[EsToVnIa]

Thoughts about the Turkish Altay tank? It shares features (mostly armor layout) with the South Korean K2.

Allegedly, Otokar is considering an "electric" engine in based on the one installed on the Doruk Electra bus. Or an 1,800 domestically developed conventional powerpack, which given current technological limitations seems more likely.

Per unit price is 5 to 8 million US dollars. About, if not slightly more, than what the surplus Leopard 2A4s the Turks operate cost initially.

I'm kinda dubious, but the power pack is potentially interesting. And it looks nice and different from the myriad Russian and Western stuff, in keeping with my tank hipster tendencies.

(Image)

I think Turkey is lowballing the production costs, and the Altay is now a ho-hum 3.5gen now that the Armata is a thing

Watching the Chieftain's video on the T-34, I'm amazed that anyone agreed to go into battle as a crewman of that thing. It's absurd.

T-34/76 was the best tank of the war

better enough for long enough to doom the hun to his fate

M4 Sherman ; _ ;

[Imperializt Russia]

Riposte.

Are there any resources on this self-moving T-12 system?
http://rosmilcon.com/vsem-boiatsia/
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The article (translated) describes at as PSC-T-12 and predictably doesn't really come up in search terms. Any information about?

[Fordorsia]

A shell that penetrates the Maus would be lucky if it killed more than one or two people unless it detonates the ammo. A shell than penetrates a T-34 would be unlucky if it didn't kill most of the crew.

And up until the point that hit occurred the T-34 will have traveled to Berlin and back, fought in Korea and ended up being exported to a 3rd world country. The maus meanwhile will have managed to get 1/5 of its way down the factory parking lot.

The problem with big, static targets is that they are easy to hit until they break.

That's not relevant. The point is the T-34's interior was so bad in contributed heavily to how many tankers Russia lost. Compare Russian losses to the US only losing a few thousand tankers, and you should be able to understand this.

T-34/76 was the best tank of the war

Just what

[Husseinarti]

Thoughts about the Turkish Altay tank? It shares features (mostly armor layout) with the South Korean K2.

Allegedly, Otokar is considering an "electric" engine in based on the one installed on the Doruk Electra bus. Or an 1,800 domestically developed conventional powerpack, which given current technological limitations seems more likely.

Per unit price is 5 to 8 million US dollars. About, if not slightly more, than what the surplus Leopard 2A4s the Turks operate cost initially.

I'm kinda dubious, but the power pack is potentially interesting. And it looks nice and different from the myriad Russian and Western stuff, in keeping with my tank hipster tendencies.

(Image)

I think Turkey is lowballing the production costs, and the Altay is now a ho-hum 3.5gen now that the Armata is a thing

Watching the Chieftain's video on the T-34, I'm amazed that anyone agreed to go into battle as a crewman of that thing. It's absurd.

T-34/76 was the best tank of the war

better enough for long enough to doom the hun to his fate

sorry M4A3E8 > T-34/76

[Korva]

T-34/76 was the best tank of the war

sorry but these lands belong to the cult of the sherman

[Fordorsia]

I think Turkey is lowballing the production costs, and the Altay is now a ho-hum 3.5gen now that the Armata is a thing


T-34/76 was the best tank of the war

better enough for long enough to doom the hun to his fate

sorry M4A3E8 > T-34/76

Ford Super Panther > Shitty M4

[EsToVnIa]

put your autism aside rn, we're talking about real tanks

[Fordorsia]

put your autism aside rn, we're talking about real tanks

Ford Super Panther is real. I designed it in late 1946 and sold it to the Nazi remnants on the Moon. I lost contact with them in 1968 so it's unknown if it's still in service or not.

[The Akasha Colony]

Arjun's suspension was a decent part of the development delay. Osorio never went into production for a number of very good reasons. Both tanks are examples of reaching beyond your own means, which does not make them good examples.

Osorio never had any problems with the suspension. Because it was imported from Britain, based on the same designs as the Challenger. Given that practically everything else was imported, this doesn't really stand out.

Hydropneumatic was, and still is, the most complex and expensive tank suspension system.

I never said it wasn't the most expensive. I argued that the marginal cost of adopting it is worth the performance benefits. If the marginal costs of adopting and maintaining a hydropneumatic suspension put such a tank out of a nation's reach, perhaps that nation might want to reconsider the notion of operating tanks?

If they're sourcing parts from abroad, there are plenty of options. If they're committed to building a modern clean-sheet domestic design that is supposed to be seriously competitive, the hydropneumatic suspension won't be what makes it expensive or complicated.

If they're just trying to bang out a shitty metal box that looks nice in parades but in reality is just a bucket of bolts designed to intimidate the peasants, then the type of suspension is mostly irrelevant anyway.

Thoughts about the Turkish Altay tank? It shares features (mostly armor layout) with the South Korean K2.

Allegedly, Otokar is considering an "electric" engine in based on the one installed on the Doruk Electra bus. Or an 1,800 domestically developed conventional powerpack, which given current technological limitations seems more likely.

Per unit price is 5 to 8 million US dollars. About, if not slightly more, than what the surplus Leopard 2A4s the Turks operate cost initially.

I'm kinda dubious, but the power pack is potentially interesting. And it looks nice and different from the myriad Russian and Western stuff, in keeping with my tank hipster tendencies.

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In all likelihood the "domestic" powerpack will share a suspicious number of similarities with foreign designs, probably MTU 890 or something. Or maybe whatever the South Koreans get around to making for K2.

Turkey's costs are likely affected by the nation's low cost of labor and favorable purchasing power parity. Things are cheaper there, and much of the development work has been offloaded to South Korea etc.

[Purpelia]

Either way. How does 5 degrees of traverse in all 4 directions sound?

[Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502]

Sherman beats the T-34. There's not much the T-34 can do that the Sherman can't do better; while not bouncing it's crew all over the place.

[Fordorsia]

Sherman beats the T-34. There's not much the T-34 can do that the Sherman can't do better; while not bouncing it's crew all over the place.

The T-34 is too cramped for the crew to bounce all over the place :>

[Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502]

In WWII terms, how would a tank be repaired if it took a glancing shot that gouged out a lot of metal? Like this, this, or this.

[Purpelia]

In WWII terms, how would a tank be repaired if it took a glancing shot that gouged out a lot of metal? Like this, this, or this.

My guess would be that you weld some plates over the hole and pray to god nobody hits the exact spot again.

[Imperializt Russia]

Since tank armour of the day was just slabs of steel, I'm not really sure there is anything that can be done for that. I suppose you could make a "plug", but of what and how, I'm not really certain.

Presumably, such a tank would be replaced, its hull sent back to the factory, and that part of the chassis replaced if possible.
With the gun mantlet and non-penetrating hits, it's fairly simple - new gun/mantlet, and leave it.

[Purpelia]

Since tank armour of the day was just slabs of steel, I'm not really sure there is anything that can be done for that. I suppose you could make a "plug", but of what and how, I'm not really certain.

A plug won't really work. A big patch over the whole section might. But a plug would just be a weak spot waiting to be punched in like a rivet.

Presumably, such a tank would be replaced, its hull sent back to the factory, and that part of the chassis replaced if possible.
With the gun mantlet and non-penetrating hits, it's fairly simple - new gun/mantlet, and leave it.

My guess would be that it would indeed be sent to the factory where they would cut out a big slab of metal around the hole and than weld a new one on. But you'd do it in big clean cuts and possibly overlapping.

[Allanea]

Meanwhile, in Iraq...

[The Akasha Colony]

In WWII terms, how would a tank be repaired if it took a glancing shot that gouged out a lot of metal? Like this, this, or this.

In the short run, just weld a plate of armor or whatever metal is handy over it and keep going, presuming nothing functional in the tank is damaged.

In the long run if the damage accumulates to the point where the vehicle is too damaged to continue, you eventually return it to the factory for a more comprehensive rebuild.