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Postby The Wyoming Peoples Front » Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:33 pm

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The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:What would be their application?


Nothing


Would you care to explain?

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Postby Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 » Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:50 pm

If you have literally no other way to move that gun, throwing it on a Humvee isn't a bad idea.

You'd rather have a Bradley, however. Much rather. A Bradley doesn't die so easy.

On Lindybeige: I think he's much more suited to talking about pre-gunpowder warfare, his videos on that sort of stuff are better IMO. His knowledge about tanks seems to come primarily from memoirs. Which can be a great place for information, but sooner or later you should move to people like Zaloga or Moran.
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Postby Fordorsia » Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:58 pm

In my opinion he is suited to general history and only general history, like that cool motor he did a video on recently or when he visits various military installations around the world and talks about them as a whole. Whenever he talks about any weapons or anything more specific than describing pre-gunpowder formation fighting as a whole (not the nitty gritty individuals doing the fighting) it's almost always making conclusions based on assumptions or just blindly believing whatever people wrote about an event (fucking Cromwells). I'll probably unsubscribe if he gets any worse.
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:09 am

The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:According to The Wyoming air national guard, the 153rd Airlift Wing, participated in testing of 12 of these vehicles in the late 90s.

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M1025 HMMWV with 30mm M230 "Chain Guns"

What would be their application?


The same as a regular Humvee armed with a regular MG.

I mean, they could engage targets with a bit more armor than a regular Humvee carrying an M2 or something, but they're not fundamentally all that different and from what you mentioned you don't exactly face a lot of armored threats, so this capability isn't very necessary. And 30 mm ammunition will be harder to find replenishment for. I would hold them in reserve for that reason, trotting them out only when needed.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:03 am

The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:According to The Wyoming air national guard, the 153rd Airlift Wing, participated in testing of 12 of these vehicles in the late 90s.

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M1025 HMMWV with 30mm M230 "Chain Guns"

What would be their application?

As I recall hearing, the testing of 25mm guns shattered the windshield and deafened the driver. Use of the larger M230 would surely be even worse.

A lightweight armoured car not built for autocannon use wasn't well-suited to autocannon use, who knew.
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Postby Crookfur » Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:52 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:According to The Wyoming air national guard, the 153rd Airlift Wing, participated in testing of 12 of these vehicles in the late 90s.

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M1025 HMMWV with 30mm M230 "Chain Guns"

What would be their application?

As I recall hearing, the testing of 25mm guns shattered the windshield and deafened the driver. Use of the larger M230 would surely be even worse.

A lightweight armoured car not built for autocannon use wasn't well-suited to autocannon use, who knew.

IIRC 30x113mm is a fair bit lower in blast and pressure than 25x137mm and has been more or less successfully fired from hummers in a couple guns (the ASP-30 the M230).

Both of these guns are also a lot smaller than the 25mm bushmaster.
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Postby Allanea » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:51 am

The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:According to The Wyoming air national guard, the 153rd Airlift Wing, participated in testing of 12 of these vehicles in the late 90s.

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M1025 HMMWV with 30mm M230 "Chain Guns"

What would be their application?



This is essentially a better-looking version of middle-eastern technicals.
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Postby Allanea » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:52 am

Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 wrote:If you have literally no other way to move that gun, throwing it on a Humvee isn't a bad idea.

You'd rather have a Bradley, however. Much rather. A Bradley doesn't die so easy.

On Lindybeige: I think he's much more suited to talking about pre-gunpowder warfare, his videos on that sort of stuff are better IMO. His knowledge about tanks seems to come primarily from memoirs. Which can be a great place for information, but sooner or later you should move to people like Zaloga or Moran.


Grrr memoirs.

Also, are Zaloga's Osprey books good?
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Postby Questers » Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:56 am

Allanea wrote:
Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502 wrote:If you have literally no other way to move that gun, throwing it on a Humvee isn't a bad idea.

You'd rather have a Bradley, however. Much rather. A Bradley doesn't die so easy.

On Lindybeige: I think he's much more suited to talking about pre-gunpowder warfare, his videos on that sort of stuff are better IMO. His knowledge about tanks seems to come primarily from memoirs. Which can be a great place for information, but sooner or later you should move to people like Zaloga or Moran.


Grrr memoirs.

Also, are Zaloga's Osprey books good?
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Postby New Vihenia » Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:52 am

How long are we from EM-railgun howitzer ?

Looks promising as 240mm caliber railgun with 7m barrel. can launch 30Kg payload with 4.7 km/s muzzle velocity. The possible problem is that the 819 Megawatt power requirement.
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Postby Dostanuot Loj » Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:54 am

I see my Lindybeige comment has caused a stir.

I think it's worth clarifying. I don't dislike the guy or what he does. Gallia is right, he's truly passionate about his work, and he's not always wrong. His tank stuff is "bad", but so is anything I say about medieval warfare. Or Zaloga says about planes. Or so on or so on. There are far worse references on the internet, plenty of them get touted here pretty often.

I'm also flattered that people are debating my "social capital" here. As if something like that exists.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:55 am

The majority of nuclear reactor plants could not provide this from a single reactor.
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:05 am

Dostanuot Loj wrote:I'm also flattered that people are debating my "social capital" here. As if something like that exists.
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Imperializt Russia wrote:The majority of nuclear reactor plants could not provide this from a single reactor.

Load balancing would be a challenge.
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Postby Gallia- » Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:17 pm

The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:According to The Wyoming air national guard, the 153rd Airlift Wing, participated in testing of 12 of these vehicles in the late 90s.

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M1025 HMMWV with 30mm M230 "Chain Guns"

What would be their application?


Airfield defense, presumably.

Allanea wrote:
The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:According to The Wyoming air national guard, the 153rd Airlift Wing, participated in testing of 12 of these vehicles in the late 90s.

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M1025 HMMWV with 30mm M230 "Chain Guns"

What would be their application?



This is essentially a better-looking version of middle-eastern technicals.


Fuck off no. It's made by actual engineers with actual jobs, not Ahmed the backyard mechanic.

It's a higher velocity Mk 19.

It replaces the 40mm AGLs in security police units.
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Fri Dec 16, 2016 7:23 pm

for those times when redofr thinks they can be cheeky with lstr-40s and speznaz gru you just target them from 1575 and

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Postby Husseinarti » Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:40 pm

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Postby New Vihenia » Sat Dec 17, 2016 8:51 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:The majority of nuclear reactor plants could not provide this from a single reactor.


well for railgun and high pulsed power application.. it would be provided from some sort of super capacitors, and some other form of fast discharging energy storage like flywheels. or some sort of explosively pumped flux generator.
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Postby The Wyoming Peoples Front » Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:16 am

Why bother with a rail gun then?
What advantage does it provide over say a swarm of guided missiles?

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Postby Rich and Corporations » Sat Dec 17, 2016 10:28 am

The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:Why bother with a rail gun then?
What advantage does it provide over say a swarm of guided missiles?

the energy density of uranium is higher than jet fuel.

it has a higher terminal velocity

and a pretty decent range
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:30 am

Rich and Corporations wrote:
The Wyoming Peoples Front wrote:Why bother with a rail gun then?
What advantage does it provide over say a swarm of guided missiles?

the energy density of uranium is higher than jet fuel.

it has a higher terminal velocity

and a pretty decent range

Plus it is possible that they could squeeze cost savings such that per projectile a rail gun saves money.
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Postby Rich and Corporations » Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:17 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Rich and Corporations wrote:the energy density of uranium is higher than jet fuel.

it has a higher terminal velocity

and a pretty decent range

Plus it is possible that they could squeeze cost savings such that per projectile a rail gun saves money.

if you want to save money, limit the number of military units that are trained to use Javelins, those are too expensive
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:30 pm

Gallia- wrote:Or you could just be reasonable and spend more money?

I try telling the British government this, but apparently I'm a tankie and/or Trot and this is just wholly unacceptable.
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