Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO FUN] Mark IX

[Korva]

demokkkracy is ded

[Gallia-]

I only voted once honest.

[Rich and Corporations]

perhaps it's time to talk about modern military vehicles.

it's too bad protection is valued so high, we usually fight against jihadis, and we could use tankettes armed with autocannons for anti-insurgent uses.

it is funny though that we are arming soldiers with 7.62mm weapons to fight insurgents who engage at range with mortars.

https://www.army.mil/article/179419
Army to test new armored vehicles as it updates older platforms

WASHINGTON (Army News Service) -- The first armored multipurpose Vehicle, or AMPV, is scheduled to be handed over to the Army Thursday for testing.

The AMPV demonstrator will roll out of the BAE Systems plant in York, Pennsylvania, to begin a 52-month engineering and manufacturing development phase for the vehicle. At least 29 of the vehicles will be manufactured for this phase of the procurement process, officials said.

If the low-rate production option for the AMPV is approved, procurement officials said several hundred of the vehicles will be manufactured for testing over the next four years.

The AMPV will replace the armored brigade combat team's M113 family of vehicles. The AMPV addresses the M113's shortcomings in survivability and force protection, and size, weight, power, and cooling, known as SWAP-C, officials said. It is also designed to incorporate future technologies and the Army's network.

The AMPV has a brand new hull, but it maintains some of the Bradley legacy design, allowing for some compatibility efficiencies, according to Maj. Gen. David G. Bassett, program executive officer for Ground Combat Systems. In fact, about 60 to 70 percent of the parts are common with existing ground combat vehicles, Bassett said during a press conference in October.

The AMPV also has the additional space inside to allow for the addition of new systems in the future, and it comes with an improved power train. The hull is stronger from a force protection perspective, too, he said.

etc

A new suite of mobile protected firepower (MPF) vehicles is also being conceptualized. The MPF is meant to fill the need among infantry brigade combat teams for something like a light tank, Bassett said. The Abrams is too heavy to be air dropped and, once it's on the ground, it can't maneuver in constricted areas like narrow mountain roads or alleyways.

In August, when industry representatives were invited to the Maneuver Center of Excellence at Fort Benning, Georgia, the technical requirements for the MPF were purposely kept to a minimum, he said, because "we're trying to be open-minded."

For instance, a maximum weight of 32 tons was one requirement, which would allow it to be air dropped, he said.

Also among the requirements: the cannon must be capable of destroying a minimum number of targets and must provide a certain level of protection. The cannon could be 57-millimeter, 105-millimeter or 120-millimeter, which was mainly to save money because those cannons are already in the Army's inventory, he explained.

etc...

[Laritaia]

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Neither of these are new vehicles or even new ideas.

One is a Bradley without a turret, something that the US Army has wanted for a loooooooooooooooooooooooooong time now.

The other is basically the M8 AGS, which the US Army actually bought and type classified but never actually ordered.

[Rich and Corporations]

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Neither of these are new vehicles or even new ideas.

One is a Bradley without a turret, something that the US Army has wanted for a loooooooooooooooooooooooooong time now.

The other is basically the M8 AGS, which the US Army actually bought and type classified but never actually ordered.

It's true that war never changes, but the article does highlight the requirements for vehicles, as opposed to the vehicles for requirements.

[Gallia-]

the biggest irony is that AMPV is worse than M4 and friends

[Ban Pho]

Would it be possible to mount a Soviet T-12 anti-tank gun in a T-34-85 turret?

[Imperializt Russia]

Would it be possible to mount a Soviet T-12 anti-tank gun in a T-34-85 turret?

Probably not. Unless I'm wrong and T-12 isn't the family of 100mm guns that gave us Rapira, that's what T-44 and T-54/55 turrets were meant for.

[Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502]

Would it be possible to mount a Soviet T-12 anti-tank gun in a T-34-85 turret?

Look at the T-34-100, and do what they did.

Alternatively, use a T-55.

[Rich and Corporations]

Would it be possible to mount a Soviet T-12 anti-tank gun in a T-34-85 turret?

as long as the turret doesn't traverse

[Fordorsia]

LindySpandau's latest video on muzzle brakes was pretty fine until he said the Churchill was probably the best tank of the war :V

[Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502]

LindySpandau's latest video on muzzle brakes was pretty fine until he said the Churchill was probably the best tank of the war :V

Churchill was the best tank of the war....

hence why it was used for so long postwar, unlike all the Shermans, T-34s, Chaffees, and even Panzer IVs.

[Dostanuot Loj]

LindySpandau's latest video on muzzle brakes was pretty fine until he said the Churchill was probably the best tank of the war :V

I watched his tank platoon video and it was pretty bad.
Actually much of his tank stuff is bad.

Sparkey is better.

[Fordorsia]

LindySpandau's latest video on muzzle brakes was pretty fine until he said the Churchill was probably the best tank of the war :V

I watched his tank platoon video and it was pretty bad.
Actually much of his tank stuff is bad.

Sparkey is better.

I didn't notice anything off about his platoon one. What was wrong with it?

But that one about Cromwell shenanigans, yeah I call 100% bullshit on those stories actually happening, especially the one where they drive among a bunch of 88s then escape by jumping a river.

[The Kievan People]

It's true that war never changes, but the article does highlight the requirements for vehicles, as opposed to the vehicles for requirements.

War never changes, the US Army never conducts air mechanized operations.

MPF is pretty much a perfect example of designing the requirements to the vehicle. It is not suited to any war the US has fought since Vietnam (at least) or any war the US Army can reasonably expect to fight in the future. That it is expected to weigh 32 tonnes shows the US Army knows it cannot square its desire for light weight with a minimally acceptable level of protection, and the real vehicle will certainly gain many more tonnes of weight and width (negating the size requirement) from add-on armour including skirts, which ever US armoured vehicle has gained in recent conflicts to deal with IED and RPG threats.

[Gallia-]

M1A1Ds and M2A2 ODS-SA for days.

All FXXI Army.

Tactical Data Reporting System aka dot matrix and CRT in a olive box.

I watched his tank platoon video and it was pretty bad.
Actually much of his tank stuff is bad.

Sparkey is better.

I didn't notice anything off about his platoon one. What was wrong with it?

The part where he doesn't know what a platoon is.

Lindybeige is a polymath though. Like all polymaths he has a limited grasp of each subject he is aware of, and each time you become aware of a subject you bleed time that could be used deepening and reinforcing the trench of knowledge in other subject areas and domains.

Lindybeige scatters his brain cells in shell scrapes and fighting positions, but he is basically everywhere.

A PhD, at least a good PhD anyway, entrenches himself with multiply redundant zig-zags and commo trenches, bunkers, reinforced command posts, and continually improves these trenches to the point of replacing field wire with fiber optics and building hardened server farms into his trench of knowledge.

Unfortunately, by virtue of the amount of stupidity removed (it may be equivalent for both!), whether a deep knowledge trench or a dispersed small thought unit operation, you still turn into someone who thinks they know everything and has an opinion on everything.

At least for Lindybeige he has an inkling of what he's talking about. PhDs tend to be people who know one thing really well and assume this translates to other domains, within their own subject or not, and end up sounding like people who have never heard of political science or history or, well, much of anything unless you stumble across their obscure thesis manuscripts on the subjects of quantum states and neutrinos in which case they just tell you you're wrong about subatomic particles or the special kind of dust that stars are made of because I wrote thirty seven editorials for Nature so I know what I'm talking about when I say we should just kill about 15% of the population in industrial death camps.

Or something like that.

The moral of the story is that terminal degree holders can be kind of dumb and I'd still trust Lindybeige on jazz and how to paint miniatures over a PhD who just sits on his computer all day sending emails to other PhDs about what sort of whisky to bring to this years conference. I would trust the PhD on whisky recommendations, though, because "PhD" means Phucking Drunk.

[Western Pacific Territories]

Speaking of LindyBren, what do y'all think about this dude?
https://youtu.be/OVOxUpLzvNk

[Rich and Corporations]

LindySpandau's latest video on muzzle brakes was pretty fine until he said the Churchill was probably the best tank of the war :V

LindyBeige was good until he became popular, and started branching out into modern militaries, and began phrasing things for popular digestion. His videos are not for us. His videos are for the call of duty crowd. And he will make a hundred dollars for each video he pops out.

[Gallia-]

There is no in-between. Lindybeige is a binary. He is either good or he is evil, and he is ultimately good. His attempts to explain things can't be judged in the context of right or wrong, because his opinion is fluid, and he is enough of a critical thinker to accept new information as it comes to him. The Lindybeige of yesterday is not the Lindybeige of today, and likewise the Lindybeige of today is not the Lindybeige of tomorrow.

He isn't so much attempting to educate people as he is just getting in front of a camera and spilling loads of thoughts in a sort of stream of consciousness manner. The most pure of spergforms.

[Rich and Corporations]

There is no in-between. Lindybeige is a binary. He is either good or he is evil, and he is ultimately good. His attempts to explain things can't be judged in the context of right or wrong, because his opinion is fluid, and he is enough of a critical thinker to accept new information as it comes to him. The Lindybeige of yesterday is not the Lindybeige of today, and likewise the Lindybeige of today is not the Lindybeige of tomorrow.

He isn't so much attempting to educate people as he is just getting in front of a camera and spilling loads of thoughts in a sort of stream of consciousness manner. The most pure of spergforms.

I disagree.

Sumer is more right than Lindybeige.

Even if he somehow managed to convince a bunch of people that a tank gun cannot physically be longer than seven meters.

[Gallia-]

There is no in-between. Lindybeige is a binary. He is either good or he is evil, and he is ultimately good. His attempts to explain things can't be judged in the context of right or wrong, because his opinion is fluid, and he is enough of a critical thinker to accept new information as it comes to him. The Lindybeige of yesterday is not the Lindybeige of today, and likewise the Lindybeige of today is not the Lindybeige of tomorrow.

He isn't so much attempting to educate people as he is just getting in front of a camera and spilling loads of thoughts in a sort of stream of consciousness manner. The most pure of spergforms.

I disagree.

It's not like you're right about anything else, though. Lindybeige is good precisely because he has an interest in the subject which is all that is really needed once the entry requirements of intelligence are met, but it is also the most difficult thing to find. What he lacks are adequate source data and nothing else.

It's not like he trolls fifty thousand people or whatever because he has zero interest and just wants to paint his miniature swords or whatever. You're viewing a rare event: Genuine spergery. It isn't false spergery where all they want to do is play tabletop games and talk about Tiger tanks being badass, otherwise he'd stop at Wehraboo. But it isn't jaded academic pedantry because Lindybeige is a psychologist by education. It's nothing really in-between either of those, because genuine spergery might be a cohabitator of academic cynicism, but it's hardly a prerequisite (Keegan LoL). Lindybeige isn't the most advanced sperg or the most deep sperg, but he's an honest one who really likes what he is talking about and he talks about it without the motivator of money to do it, because he isn't evil and he isn't a member of the parasite class.

It's just honest sperg from a guy who is interested in a subject and doesn't have very many reliable source data to pull from. The fact that he makes money from it is entirely tangential, because he started these videos before he knew he would get money. He just did them for fun. Most importantly, though, he has an open mind and changes his opinions to suit new knowledge from reputable sources which he is informed of or provided. That last part is what makes him a rare sperg. The rarest of spergs? Possibly.

We might as well blame you for never reading Race to the Swift or thinking Sumer has some huge social capital in these threads [the real mafia is "Viky" and "dnt"]. Except TBH I doubt your spergery is as genuine as Lindybeige's since you do have access to a lot of sperglording from these threads and only use it to further a mysterious trollmusement agenda.

[Rich and Corporations]

The dimensions of my spergery is merely based upon some shifted axes. A wrong person who no one takes seriously is far more correct than a wrong person everyone repeats.

[Gallia-]

Lindybeige isn't an ignorant pedant, he's a genuine sperg.

You can be wrong and still be morally good because you are open to different viewpoints. This means that your bunker can be broken and the bayonets of illumination of thrust deep into the heart of ignorance and grenades of enlightenment bring epiphany where stupidity reigned. Being wrong and further fortifying yourself is the true foe to illumination. Some bunkers cannot be broken, some trenches cannot be taken, and some fortresses must be bypassed.

I'm still not sure which of these you are, TBF.

[The Wyoming Peoples Front]

According to The Wyoming air national guard, the 153rd Airlift Wing, participated in testing of 12 of these vehicles in the late 90s.


M1025 HMMWV with 30mm M230 "Chain Guns"

What would be their application?

[Fordorsia]

What would be their application?

Nothing