Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO FUN] Mark IX

[The Soodean Imperium]

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A short tank is a happy tank because a short tank is:
- harder to hit
- lighter, and thus better armored for the same weight
- lighter and thus faster
- turns more easily
- less likely to get stuck EVERYWHERE

A long tank is a sad tank.

the saddest tank of them all

[Autonomous Unified Territories]

Right, after shit-canning the idea of the ancient T-55 for urban support, I came to a slightly different idea. This is formerly the Israeli NaMer APC with some unique modifications. New powerplant, transmission from the rest of the fleet for ease of maintenance. The fire support version loses some passenger capacity to 6 pers in exchange for a 125mm gun. It borrows some of the tech from the Stryker MGS, where the turret is fully unmanned and uses 360 degree cameras combined with independent commander's and gunner's sights and an auto-loader. The ammunition is stored in the hull of the vehicle and the autoloader only has one round in the turret at any time - the one in the breech. The result is that the most heavily armored component of the vehicle stores the ammunition, which if detonated blows upwards out an emergency blowoff hatch in the turret roof, and not into the passenger or crew compartment.

The barrel is shortened but still maintains a high velocity but allows the traverse of the turret in confined spaces as compared to a longer main gun. Since the idea is to engage in confined and urban areas, the decrease in range is an acceptable tradeoff.

The crew sits in front of the autoloader behind the engine in the front for maximum protection. The sides, like a normal NaMer are sloped and heavily armored, meaning the vehicle has extensive protection from shoulder fired weapons from all sides, unlike a normal main battle tank.

[Gallia-]

Teledyne LPT has a two-man crew.

[Husseinarti]

Just strap something like a 90mm MV gun on it for mex kek

[Dostanuot Loj]

A short tank is a happy tank because a short tank is:
- harder to hit
- lighter, and thus better armored for the same weight
- lighter and thus faster
- turns more easily
- less likely to get stuck EVERYWHERE

A long tank is a sad tank.

the saddest tank of them all

"Guys, I'm just gonna... *Yawn*.. take a nap over here. *Yawn*
Come get me when the offensive is..*Yawn*... done."

I am thinking of developing a prototype vehicle based upon the Namer APC, but with better firepower which will be specifically designed to engage in urban operations.

So...
You want a Merkava?

[Autonomous Unified Territories]

I am thinking of developing a prototype vehicle based upon the Namer APC, but with better firepower which will be specifically designed to engage in urban operations.

So...
You want a Merkava?

Indeed, although the vehicle I finished is even more heavily armored and more focused to close operations with an even shorter gun, and a much smaller turret.

[Laritaia]

So...
You want a Merkava?

Indeed, although the vehicle I finished is even more heavily armored and more focused to close operations with an even shorter gun, and a much smaller turret.

So small in fact that i doubt you could fit the gun breech let alone all the other stuff you normally find inside a turret.

Also the upper hull of the Namer is heavily sloped and armored, the lower hull is no better armored then that of the Merkava. Which is to say, enough to stop your average PG-7 but any real AT weapon is going to go though it like a knife through butter.

[Omarios]

Right, after shit-canning the idea of the ancient T-55 for urban support, I came to a slightly different idea. This is formerly the Israeli NaMer APC with some unique modifications. New powerplant, transmission from the rest of the fleet for ease of maintenance. The fire support version loses some passenger capacity to 6 pers in exchange for a 125mm gun. It borrows some of the tech from the Stryker MGS, where the turret is fully unmanned and uses 360 degree cameras combined with independent commander's and gunner's sights and an auto-loader. The ammunition is stored in the hull of the vehicle and the autoloader only has one round in the turret at any time - the one in the breech. The result is that the most heavily armored component of the vehicle stores the ammunition, which if detonated blows upwards out an emergency blowoff hatch in the turret roof, and not into the passenger or crew compartment.

The barrel is shortened but still maintains a high velocity but allows the traverse of the turret in confined spaces as compared to a longer main gun. Since the idea is to engage in confined and urban areas, the decrease in range is an acceptable tradeoff.

The crew sits in front of the autoloader behind the engine in the front for maximum protection. The sides, like a normal NaMer are sloped and heavily armored, meaning the vehicle has extensive protection from shoulder fired weapons from all sides, unlike a normal main battle tank.

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As Laritaia said, the turret seems too small.

Also:

>It seems that your tank doesn't have gun depression
>Isn't the Merkava itself made for urban combat? Why make a variant when that exists?

Just saying the obvious, I'm not a tank or armored warfare expert.

[Allanea]

Most tanks do reasonably well in urban combat.

Their main problems are not the length of their guns.

Also I very much doubt that you can have a place for six crewmen in a Merkava expy with a 125mm gun.

[Novorden]

I thought that would be the answer, I just wasn't sure if it was necessary for vehicles over a certain weight (30t) or as the legs are free to move there would only be little force applied.

Better?

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it needs to be a v-hull

it would be deeper too im sure

you may wish to see if you can find images of FCS hull from the butt and the mine resistant strykers the us army made

the latter were so cool they couldnt put it on MGS for reasons but im not sure what the reasoning was if it was just money and the us army hates MGS or if there was some bad thing that happened

I couldn't actually find any good images of tracked vehicles with V-hulls, so i took a guess from this image.

[Purpelia]

What suspension is this thing to use? I don't really see too much room being left anywhere to mount anything.

[Novorden]

What suspension is this thing to use? I don't really see too much room being left anywhere to mount anything.

Something similar to Horstman InArm Suspension

[Purpelia]

I still don't see where you are going to mount it. There is barely any room for anything between the wheel and the hull. Unless you intend to have the suspension arms inside those boxes under the seats or something.

[Novorden]

I still don't see where you are going to mount it. There is barely any room for anything between the wheel and the hull. Unless you intend to have the suspension arms inside those boxes under the seats or something.

[Purpelia]

Yea, that's super cool now.

Out of curiosity what are the side boxes behind the peoples head for? Are they just spaced armor or like can they pack stuff in there?

[Imperializt Russia]

WRT tank design, is it still valid to create a vehicle with very little armor but extreme speed and maneuverability in this day and age, following the legacy of Hellcats and Christie?

Hellcat was a tank destroyer. It was not intended to fight toe-to-toe with enemy tanks like Shermans were.

The engagement range and precision of gunnery at the time was relatively short and relatively low, respectively; the effectiveness of munitions was sometimes questionable; the ability to spot and detect enemy vehicles was dependent entirely on the Mk1 eyeball and magnifying lenses.
None of these things are true anymore.

[Novorden]

Yea, that's super cool now.

Out of curiosity what are the side boxes behind the peoples head for? Are they just spaced armor or like can they pack stuff in there?

It's where the vehicles systems are, similar to this.

[Purpelia]

I see. So I presume the internal bulkhead is actually quite thin?

[Imperializt Russia]

Yea, that's super cool now.

Out of curiosity what are the side boxes behind the peoples head for? Are they just spaced armor or like can they pack stuff in there?

It's where the vehicles systems are, similar to this.

Why do they call the object which is clearly an engine, sitting in a space identified as the "engine compartment", "power generation"?

[Rich and Corporations]

Most tanks do reasonably well in urban combat.

Their main problems are not the length of their guns.

Also I very much doubt that you can have a place for six crewmen in a Merkava expy with a 125mm gun.

Only NS do tanks have excessive overhang.

[Purpelia]

What's the typical ground clearance on IFV's? 30cm? 50cm?

[Gallia-]

Most tanks do reasonably well in urban combat.

Their main problems are not the length of their guns.

Also I very much doubt that you can have a place for six crewmen in a Merkava expy with a 125mm gun.

nnnh...maybe if you took out all the ammunition and make them sit in there without rifles or webbing and cuddled up real close?

but that defeats the entire purpose of the rear door obviously

i think he should just give it a teledyne low profile turret

give everything teledyne LPTs

merkavas
ascods
LAVs
m60s
centurions
abrams

etc. etc.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/653 ... model1.jpg

[Gallia-]

What's the typical ground clearance on IFV's? 30cm? 50cm?

45-55 cm sounds fine

throw a dart between that range

the better option is to google a few ifvs and look at their ground clearances

[Novorden]

What's the typical ground clearance on IFV's? 30cm? 50cm?

45-55 cm sounds fine

throw a dart between that range

the better option is to google a few ifvs and look at their ground clearances

The CV90 states that it has "high" ground clearance at 45cm

[Purpelia]

What's the typical ground clearance on IFV's? 30cm? 50cm?

45-55 cm sounds fine

throw a dart between that range

the better option is to google a few ifvs and look at their ground clearances

For odd reasons I just have difficulty finding those sort of numbers. Like on the same note I find difficulty finding say the dimensions of various cannons and stuff too. Or road wheel diameters.