Infantry Discussion Thread, Mk. 8 Mod. 0 [No Kaiju]

[Sediczja]

If I wanted to add a safety or any other necessary feature, any input on what or where? I'm sort of grasping at straws for creative inspiration here.

Either a Mauser-style flipping safety on the cocking piece, a Lee-Enfield style lever on the side of the receiver or just have the cocking piece itself act as a safety.

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[Puzikas]

The best post-appocalyptic rifle for a nation taking its first breath is probably going to be one you can build on existing machinery. If your a post-appocalyptic northeastern US derived state from the 1940s-1960s, this means you have the capacity to build approximately anything in the US Arsenal in that era and then some. If you're talking more militias, you are more likely to see pre-war era rifles or simple and crude weapons. There exist plenty of examples of them and none at particularly difficult to make.

Depending on the Militia, too, you might see standardization or you might see a total mix-match of weapons.

External saftey for a bolt rifle? There are many. A triggerguard button-type saftey is the easiest to make as far as I know besides what is literally a secondary saftey trigger that prevents the actual trigger from being pulled.

It's likely at some point the militias would be customizing there rifles to make them more "them". Stock carvings and the like. A tin can dug up in a field that adds +5 to the Guns skill for some reason.

[Thomaion]

How to byzantine kill zombie?

Would cataphracts and etc be enough, or do I have to do something more?

[Northern Remuneration]

It wasn't a strictly historical or even just alternate history US that was hit by whatever event brought things to a halt, just to give me more wiggle room to design my own stuff. In addition to historically accurate pre-war stuff I'll of course be designing my own pre-war and post-war (assuming it was a war, or only a war) weapons and even manufacturers. Because it's fun.

As for the militia customization, that's definitely a must. I just want to get some vanilla art done before I start carving it up.

[Eisarn-Ara]

It wasn't a strictly historical or even just alternate history US that was hit by whatever event brought things to a halt, just to give me more wiggle room to design my own stuff. In addition to historically accurate pre-war stuff I'll of course be designing my own pre-war and post-war (assuming it was a war, or only a war) weapons and even manufacturers. Because it's fun.

As for the militia customization, that's definitely a must. I just want to get some vanilla art done before I start carving it up.

Dude, got Luty?

Or, for that amtter, kooky IRA stuff like this recoilless launcher: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/10/13/iras-recoilless-improvised-grenade-launcher/

[Northern Remuneration]

Improvised firearms are definitely in.

The recoilless launcher raises an interesting concern. Until someone else joins my little canon, there isn't a nation more re-established and civilized than CNR in the known world, and not even they have something it'd take AT weapons to deal with.

To put it another way, it's basically the old west with weirder culture, some fantasy stuff (but nothing humans can harness so it doesn't really come into play in this thread except in terms of what people would be arming themselves against) and relatively advanced remnant tech gradually re-emerging.

[Eisarn-Ara]

Improvised firearms are definitely in.

The recoilless launcher raises an interesting concern. Until someone else joins my little canon, there isn't a nation more re-established and civilized than CNR in the known world, and not even they have something it'd take AT weapons to deal with.

To put it another way, it's basically the old west with weirder culture, some fantasy stuff (but nothing humans can harness so it doesn't really come into play in this thread except in terms of what people would be arming themselves against) and relatively advanced remnant tech gradually re-emerging.

I brought up the launcher because HE is good, launched HE is better. Few things HE cannot kill, including otherworldly shit.


Also, another improvised smg: The Kaiyan SMG

[Sediczja]

Jesus fucking Christ Brazil what the hell are you doing

[Eisarn-Ara]

Jesus fucking Christ Brazil what the hell are you doing

You saw that as well? Fuckin' huehues man, they make crazy stuff.

[Thomaion]

Jesus fucking Christ Brazil what the hell are you doing

You need more favela in your life.

[Aqizithiuda]

How to byzantine kill zombie?

Would cataphracts and etc be enough, or do I have to do something more?

Pikes hold the zombies at bay, possibly with a front rank of axe armed shield bearers. Mounted cataphracts ride down lone zombies/small pockets of zombies, while dismounted cataphracts attack the flanks of rear of the zombies being held in place by the infantry using shield and axe. Light armed infantry use incendiary grenades to immolate zombies in the centre of the horde. Allied light cavalry secure the rear and flanks.

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I present to you the 6x42mm SIC. It's a lightweight SCHV round that, while not entirely capable of replacing the 7.62x51mm, comes so close in most regards that you could conceivably use it for most purposes, supplemented with platoon level MMGs.

Many thanks to New Vihenia for the spreadsheet I used to calculate the perforation limits.

[Thomaion]

How to byzantine kill zombie?

Would cataphracts and etc be enough, or do I have to do something more?

Pikes hold the zombies at bay, possibly with a front rank of axe armed shield bearers. Mounted cataphracts ride down lone zombies/small pockets of zombies, while dismounted cataphracts attack the flanks of rear of the zombies being held in place by the infantry using shield and axe. Light armed infantry use incendiary grenades to immolate zombies in the centre of the horde. Allied light cavalry secure the rear and flanks.

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I present to you the 6x42mm SIC. It's a lightweight SCHV round that, while not entirely capable of replacing the 7.62x51mm, comes so close in most regards that you could conceivably use it for most purposes, supplemented with platoon level MMGs.

Many thanks to New Vihenia for the spreadsheet I used to calculate the perforation limits.

no hand trebuchets?

[Aqizithiuda]

Pikes hold the zombies at bay, possibly with a front rank of axe armed shield bearers. Mounted cataphracts ride down lone zombies/small pockets of zombies, while dismounted cataphracts attack the flanks of rear of the zombies being held in place by the infantry using shield and axe. Light armed infantry use incendiary grenades to immolate zombies in the centre of the horde. Allied light cavalry secure the rear and flanks.

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I present to you the 6x42mm SIC. It's a lightweight SCHV round that, while not entirely capable of replacing the 7.62x51mm, comes so close in most regards that you could conceivably use it for most purposes, supplemented with platoon level MMGs.

Many thanks to New Vihenia for the spreadsheet I used to calculate the perforation limits.

no hand trebuchets?

You mean staff slings? You can give them to light armed troops to further increase their range of you want.

[Thomaion]

no hand trebuchets?

The smaller version of the larger trebuchets.

Should I use those to defend small hamlets/villages?
You mean staff slings? You can give them to light armed troops to further increase their range of you want.

[Eisarn-Ara]

Pikes hold the zombies at bay, possibly with a front rank of axe armed shield bearers. Mounted cataphracts ride down lone zombies/small pockets of zombies, while dismounted cataphracts attack the flanks of rear of the zombies being held in place by the infantry using shield and axe. Light armed infantry use incendiary grenades to immolate zombies in the centre of the horde. Allied light cavalry secure the rear and flanks.

no hand trebuchets?

Dude, this is a Byzantine Cataphract's mace-head (Matzoukion):




And a Byzantine Axe (Tzikourion):




Honestly, you've got pretty decent kit for headbusting based upon historical models alone.

Oh, and yo', for slingers, fustibalus usually work pretty well.

[Thomaion]

Dude, this is a Byzantine Cataphract's mace-head (Matzoukion):



And a Byzantine Axe (Tzikourion):




Honestly, you've got pretty decent kit for headbusting based upon historical models alone.

Oh, and yo', for slingers, fustibalus usually work pretty well.

Thanks man, going to do something really stupid with the matzoukion and launch it from atlatl-esque device somehow. And I'll do the standard with axes and such.

[New Visegrad]

Jesus fucking Christ Brazil what the hell are you doing

.50 cal sputter gun go

[Verdiga]

A Verdiger Guard during the early colonial days (probably a Militia). Never mind the rifle and the way he holds it (the rifle is a tad smaller and had a shorter barrel, OOC: This is from MHFU), but you get the idea. Also never mind the feather: Some Verdiger Guards wore it, some didn't.

[Thomaion]

feather

That's a feather plume.

[Verdiga]

feather

That's a feather plume.

Yeah, whatever.

Anyway, how does the outfit look?

[Thomaion]

That's a feather plume.

Yeah, whatever.

Anyway, how does the outfit look?

Asian and Swiss if that's what you're going for.

[Aqizithiuda]

The smaller version of the larger trebuchets.

Should I use those to defend small hamlets/villages?
You mean staff slings? You can give them to light armed troops to further increase their range of you want.

Ah, the traction trebuchet.

Honestly, light ballistae and staff slings are the only practical artillery for a field army, but traction trebuchets could be used from fortifications to harass the enemy. Small hamlets and villages are better off retreating into the nearest town or fortress, though. They won't have the skilled manpower or the fortifications necessary to defeat any sizable number of zombies.

[Thomaion]

Ah, the traction trebuchet.

Honestly, light ballistae and staff slings are the only practical artillery for a field army, but traction trebuchets could be used from fortifications to harass the enemy. Small hamlets and villages are better off retreating into the nearest town or fortress, though. They won't have the skilled manpower or the fortifications necessary to defeat any sizable number of zombies.

but muh holy cities

[Northern Remuneration]

Also drew up some rangers. These guys know the land, work for the federal government, and were taught how to use daddy's moosegun effectively.

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/200x139q90/911/YaCLHL.png

[Thomaion]

Also drew up some rangers. These guys know the land, work for the federal government, and were taught how to use daddy's moosegun effectively.

https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/200x139q90/911/YaCLHL.png

That is really good and cool.