Infantry Discussion Thread, Mk. 8 Mod. 0 [No Kaiju]

[EsToVnIa]

that bullet wat

[Fordorsia]

I dunno, what?

[Husseinarti]

that bullet wat

I would assume since its just a solid metal round, it has a rotating band on it.

[Fordorsia]

that bullet wat

I would assume since its just a solid metal round, it has a rotating band on it.

Yep

But the shape of the bullet is fine?

[Spreewerke]

Oh yeah, forgot to say. I picked up an SKS.

Who else here's got one? Anything I should know about?

I have two. A 1973 (if I remember right) Type-56 and a 1953 Izhevsk. The only thing you really need to worry about is make sure the firing pin is still free-floating before loading it. If for some reason it is stuck in the forward position (cosmoline or rust can cause this, rarely deformation of the firing pin itself can occur), as soon as it chambers the first round, it will slamfire without you even touching the trigger and continue to do so either until the rifle is empty or until the firing pin is shaken loose again from recoil. Basically: completely uncontrollable full-auto SKS. Make sure the firing pin is in serviceable condition.

So you picked one up.

What did you do after you picked it up.

I bought it and 120 round of stronk.

There wasn't any operator, and nor will there be.

I mean in terms of where does is do poorly. For example, does the wood stock deteriorate over time significantly?

The only thing that I'm thinking of doing to it is giving the wood a nice varnish. Thoughts?

Don't you dare desecrate an SKS. Leave it in its original condition. Not only is it worth more monetarily, but you're also preserving its historical value. That, and the more shit you do to an SKS, the less reliable it becomes. They perform best in bone-stock configuration, no joke.

Here is an album that covers the basics of the SKS in general using a Chinese Type-56 as the example rifle. If you tell me what year/country your rifle was made in, I could give you more info. Also google "YooperJ SKS" and you'll get a ton of information that way, too.

Album: http://imgur.com/a/JUH8P

[Gallia-]

well unf gpcs themselves are wrong so it fits the character of the idea then

perhaps i should have just drawn 5.56x45mm tho

6x42mm master race.

3short9me

no i just coloured a thing i drew like 3 years ago actually unf i never did change the 2015 back to 2012 so i can see the confusion

if i were going to draw it today i'd draw two cartridges: 7.62x51mm and 5.56x45mm, the real GPCs

e: ort maybe 6.5x55mm instead of 7.62mm if i were being super gay and contrarian

too late you put it out there

no backsies

metadata says 2013

get owned female

[Fordorsia]

Probably a long shot but judging by the grip and stock does anyone have any ideas as to where I should put the rear sight on this thing?

[Vancon]

Oh yeah, forgot to say. I picked up an SKS.

Who else here's got one? Anything I should know about?

I have two. A 1973 (if I remember right) Type-56 and a 1953 Izhevsk. The only thing you really need to worry about is make sure the firing pin is still free-floating before loading it. If for some reason it is stuck in the forward position (cosmoline or rust can cause this, rarely deformation of the firing pin itself can occur), as soon as it chambers the first round, it will slamfire without you even touching the trigger and continue to do so either until the rifle is empty or until the firing pin is shaken loose again from recoil. Basically: completely uncontrollable full-auto SKS. Make sure the firing pin is in serviceable condition.

I bought it and 120 round of stronk.

There wasn't any operator, and nor will there be.

I mean in terms of where does is do poorly. For example, does the wood stock deteriorate over time significantly?

The only thing that I'm thinking of doing to it is giving the wood a nice varnish. Thoughts?

Don't you dare desecrate an SKS. Leave it in its original condition. Not only is it worth more monetarily, but you're also preserving its historical value. That, and the more shit you do to an SKS, the less reliable it becomes. They perform best in bone-stock configuration, no joke.

Here is an album that covers the basics of the SKS in general using a Chinese Type-56 as the example rifle. If you tell me what year/country your rifle was made in, I could give you more info. Also google "YooperJ SKS" and you'll get a ton of information that way, too.

Album: http://imgur.com/a/JUH8P

Thanks a lot Spree. Will do.

[Gallia-]

that bullet wat

it's not a bullet it's shot

that bullet wat

I would assume since its just a solid metal round, it has a rotating band on it.

the driving band actually seems a bit exaggerated mb

[Fordorsia]

that bullet wat

it's not a bullet it's shot

I would assume since its just a solid metal round, it has a rotating band on it.

the driving band actually seems a bit exaggerated mb

Really? Looking at others it seems a bit small

Also shouldn't the driving band be outside the case?

[Gallia-]

it's not a bullet it's shot



the driving band actually seems a bit exaggerated mb

Really? Looking at others it seems a bit small

Also shouldn't the driving band be outside the case?

Shells tend to have driving bands exposed yes.

[Fordorsia]

Really? Looking at others it seems a bit small

Also shouldn't the driving band be outside the case?

Shells tend to have driving bands exposed yes.

Oh okay. So does that mean there needs to be room in the chamber for the band before the rifling starts?

[The Chen Dynasty]

Probably a long shot but judging by the grip and stock does anyone have any ideas as to where I should put the rear sight on this thing?

Probably on the side of the gun, right behind the spring. And also that gun looks interesting, mind letting my nation use it?

[EsToVnIa]

Probably a long shot but judging by the grip and stock does anyone have any ideas as to where I should put the rear sight on this thing?

sights are for the weak

your eyes are the only sighting this thing needs

[Fordorsia]

Probably a long shot but judging by the grip and stock does anyone have any ideas as to where I should put the rear sight on this thing?

Probably on the side of the gun, right behind the spring. And also that gun looks interesting, mind letting my nation use it?

Yeah I knew that much. I need to know where the person's head would be so I know how high the sights would be.

And I haven't even finished it yet, let alone made a write up for it. Probably won't be able to use it anyway, sorry.

[United states of brazilian nations]

Probably on the side of the gun, right behind the spring. And also that gun looks interesting, mind letting my nation use it?

Yeah I knew that much. I need to know where the person's head would be so I know how high the sights would be.

And I haven't even finished it yet, let alone made a write up for it. Probably won't be able to use it anyway, sorry.

Competitors out of the market? I sense a sales opportunity!

FAT-1917 (Fuzil Anti-Tanque, anti-tank rifle)

FAT-1917MO (Mira Óptica, optical sight)

FAT-1917P (Pára-quedista, paratrooper)



In 1915 the military weapons industry of Little Brazil was at an all-time high on production and development. Just like the US would be in 1917, its industrial complex was away from the destruction of war and was enjoying very high productivity. A team of designers then had the idea to create a weapon that would allow fairly accurate shots (as in more accurate than what was available at the time) across large distances, such as from a trench to another. A new project was started, the so-called Fuzil Pesado de Longo Alcance 1915, or long-range heavy rifle. The action was almost fully enclosed, and it was fed from a 4 or 5-round (depending on chambered cartridge) detachable top-mounted magazine.

From its very origin, the weapon was envisioned to be large, have a long barrel and fairly heavy, to withstand the recoil of a new round that would also be developed but that would be surely a relatively large one. Original plans called for a 15mm cartridge, but it soon became clear that sufficiently accurate shots at such distances would be very hard, if not almost impossible to pull off, even with such a rifle. Nevertheless, development was continued and it was decided to use a 20x100mm cartridge, with an explosive projectile to maximize its combat potential even if a direct hit was not achieved.

In practice, however, this idea did not prove to be as effective as expected; the amount of explosives loaded in the shell was not exceptionally large, and as such the explosion was not enough to compensate for the inherent inaccuracy that comes with trying to hit a soldier 2 kilometers away. The rifle was also extremely large and was made excessively heavy to tame the 20x100mm's recoil. It required a 2-man crew to carry and deploy effectively, and its bulk was not very appreciated by the troops. In addition, they were expensive to produce and as such were made in relatively small numbers.

Nevertheless, due to persistence from the designers, who were sure they would be able to make it an effective firearm, the weapon kept being deployed and enjoyed relative sucess in supression of enemy troops.A version with an enlarged barrel and a low-power telescopic sight was also made in hopes of increasing accuracy, if not so much through ballistics at least through the user and the equipment available to him.

The weapon would really prove its potential, however, in late 1916. With the introduction of the tank in the battle of Somme, Little Brazil's generals and officers knew the germans would start making their own tanks soon, and realized they already had the solution to that future problem in hands: the FPLA-1915.

Manufacture of steel-cored ammunition began. Explosive ammunition continued to be issued, albeit in smaller numbers. The rifles and trained crew available were quickly issued to the new "tank hunting" (caça-tanques) units, and the weapon was re-designated Fuzil Anti-Tanque, 1915 (anti-tank rifle, 1915).

The weapon proved to be greatly effective against the armored vehicles. Albeit its weight and bulk still plagued it, it now had a role in which it was fairly effective. Acurracy issues were solved by the simple fact that tanks were much larger than a person, and now the weapon's long-range abilities were being shown very well. In order to further improve its anti-tank abilities, beginning in february 1917 all newly produced FAT-1915s were ordered to be chambered for the new 15x120mm cartridge, and some weapons chambered for the old 20x100 cartidges were converted to the new ammunition.

However, there were doubts around the FAT-1915. It was still seen, even for an anti-tank weapon, as having excessive weight, and too expensive to produce. Development of a new anti-tank weapon was requested as of July 1917. In August, the new weapon was complete: the FAT-1917.

Much simpler and cheaper, the FAT-1917 was designed to be lighter, more compact and more effective than its predecessor. Designed from the beggining as an anti-tank rifle designed for the 15x120mm round, it was based on an enlarged Mauser action. It was engineered for mass production, and it becomes apparent when comparing it with the FAT-1915: a much simpler, tougher bipod in comparison with the complex and heavy bipod of the 1915; a much thinner, tapered barrel, saving weight and resources; a simpler, yet more effective muzzle brake; and the overall thinner design, made for simplicity and lower weight. Even the carry handle is simpler to produce.

It has a rubber buttpad to minimize the effects of recoil; it is normally fitted with "rings" on the right side of the stock to allow storage of extra rounds. The stock is adjustable, and so is the cheek rest, which is mostly "hollow", allowing for normal bolt operation.

The FAT-1917 could be carried and operated by a single soldier, even though working in two-man units was still better. It was such an effective weapon, that it continued to be the mainstay of Little Brazil anti-tank infantry units even during WWII. The 15x120mm cartridges, especially the projectiles, passed through modernizations, but the weapon stayed basically the same. Its rugged construction allowed for higher pressure rounds to be loaded safely, which proved very useful to increase muzzle velocity and armor penetration.

Some variations were made: worthy of noting are the FAT-1917MO, equipped with a telescopic sight; and the FAT-1917P, with a folding stock and a slightly shorter barrel with a different lock mechanism to allow it to be fairly quickly disassembled and assembled from the rifle, designed for paratroopers.

In the beggining of WWII, it was used effectively to destroy tanks and armored vehicles. As the war progressed, it could not penetrate the newer German medium and heavy tanks, but was still effective against light tanks, other lightly armored vehicles, parked aircraft and even radar instalations. It was also remarkably used as an extremely long-range sniper rifle of sorts, where its great accuracy made it well-suited for long-range operations.

It kept being used as an anti-vehicle weapon until 1960, when it was phased out of service and replaced by rocket launchers. However, the weapon kept being used by the national militia, and can still be found today in said organization.

FAT-1929

The single-shot FAT-1917 was serving Little Brazil's army well, but the Paratrooper version had a few problems. The weapon had to have its barrel disassembled and re-assembled upon landing to be combat-worthy. While this did not take much time, it was deemed undesirable particularly because of accuracy concerns. Furthermore, its barrel was slightly shorter than the normal variants, resulting in lower muzzle velocity.

As such, a new weapon was envisioned; a weapon that would have the same barrel length of the original models, while being lighter and having a shorter lenght, being able to be carried into battle by a single paratrooper and quickly deployed for combat. An innovative solution, with a trigger extension bar activating the Mauser-derived mechanism now located in the weapon's very rear was devised, a quite exotic solution for rifles of the era. The stock was in the "middle" of the weapon, with a large rubber buttpad to help amenize felt recoil.

the FAT-1929 was born. Though it could be operated by a single paratrooper, two-man teams were the norm due to the difficulty and of loading the cartridges by a single operator due to the weapon's unusual bolt placement, which would require a lone shooter to un-shoulder the rifle in order to load it. It might appear that the weapon brought no significant change due to this, but the weight savings allowed the anti-tank riflemen to carry a better weapon for personal defense; Instead of a handgun, now they usually carried a submachinegun and sometimes even a carbine. The loader, as usual, carried a rifle; in the weapon's first year of service, 1929, a Modelo 1900; in 1930, a Modelo 1930, and finally, in 1940, the semi-automatic Modelo 1940.

Together with the Modelo 1917, it was kept in active serivce well into the 50's, and then passed to reserve and National Militia service, where they are still being used to the present day as an anti-material rifle.

Such a sucess wasn't without its drawbacks though; common complaints included, obviously, the awkward layout; the relative proximity of the muzzle to the shooter, compared to the Modelo 1917; the fact that the unique placement of the stock caused the rifle to slightly "pivot" around the shoulder, giving it its caractheristic muzzle rise upon firing; the very noticeable recoil; and the difficulty of loading the rifle when operating it alone.

Modelo 1929 Mk.II

Modelo 1929 Mk.II DR (Disparo Rápido, rapid fire)


The FAT-1929, which largely replaced the FAT-1917P in paratrooper units, was doing its function very well as a paratrooper's 15x120mm AT rifle. However, one of the most common complaints about the rifle was it akwardness to load. Being a single-shot weapon, its unusual bolt placement required a team of two operators to use effectively: a shooter and a loader.

So, in march 1930, it was decided to experiment with adding a detachable 5-round magazine on the top of the rifle. Such an action required a new extractor and ejector, as well as welding the magazine well on top of the rifle, but it wasn't a very difficult modification to do at all. it was designated Fuzil Anti-Tanque, 1929, Modificação 2.

But the modification made the balance and muzzle rise problems even worse, and the weapon still required a loader to use effectively, and as such not many were made. Of course, the loader's job became much quicker and easier, significantly improving the weapon's rate of fire, but it was still decided a new modification was needed to allow a single user to effectively deploy the weapon and justify the weight and unbalance brought by the heavy magazine.

As such, in november 1930 it was deciced that a "bolt operation device", as it was called, would be used to rotate the bolt and pull it back, in a similar fashion to operating rods/bolt carriers rotating bolt mechanisms of today's semi-automatic/automatic rifles, but being operated by hand instead of a gas mechanism. This issentially turned the FAT-1929 Mod. 2 into a straight-pull bolt-action rifle, which could be operated by the shooter himself since the straight-pull handle was located forward to the bolt, reaching the area close to the grips.

The "operating rod" featured a cutout for the safety as well; this was originally made because of necessity, since the Mauser-style safety was blocking its path and could obviously not be removed (unless one wished to promote accidental discharges on a 15mm rifle, and add to conversion costs), but also had the effect of making the safety "safer", since the bolt could not be rotated if the weapon was on "safe". The original bolt handle was not removed to ease conversion and also to make the rifle still usable in case the straight-pull handle broke.


Though obviouly not perfect, the new modification, designated FAT-1929 Mod.2 DR (Disparo Rápido, or rapid fire), was very well liked by AT riflemen. now the weapon could be deployed very effectively by a single soldier, just like the FAT-1917, with the FAT-1929's compact size and lower weight (albeit slightly heavier due to the magazine and mag. well). Just like its counterparts, it kept serving well until the 50's, being then passed to reserve and National Militia units where it continues to be used to the present day.

Not as crazy as Ford's 30mm portable artillery piece, but i'd say that the bullpup conversions may rival it in terms of madness.

[The Chen Dynasty]

Probably on the side of the gun, right behind the spring. And also that gun looks interesting, mind letting my nation use it?

Yeah I knew that much. I need to know where the person's head would be so I know how high the sights would be.

And I haven't even finished it yet, let alone made a write up for it. Probably won't be able to use it anyway, sorry.

Hmm what's the penetration value and ballistics of the 1929?

And also for the sights, bottom horizontal quarter of the spring, right behind it looks fine

[Fordorsia]

Yeah I knew that much. I need to know where the person's head would be so I know how high the sights would be.

And I haven't even finished it yet, let alone made a write up for it. Probably won't be able to use it anyway, sorry.

Hmm what's the penetration value and ballistics of the 1929?

And also for the sights, bottom horizontal quarter of the spring, right behind it looks fine

The 1929?

And yeah I'll try that

[Transvaal Vrystaat]

Probably a long shot but judging by the grip and stock does anyone have any ideas as to where I should put the rear sight on this thing?

sights are for the weak

your eyes are the only sighting this thing needs

The hand of Stalin shall guide your shots.

[Fordorsia]

Feed me tanks pls

I was thinking of putting a shield around the rear sight to protect the shooter from the dust and shit the muzzle brake would throw back, but it would probably get in the way and the shooter can just wear goggles.

So any issues with anything?

[The Chen Dynasty]

Feed me tanks pls

I was thinking of putting a shield around the rear sight to protect the shooter from the dust and shit the muzzle brake would throw back, but it would probably get in the way and the shooter can just wear goggles.

So any issues with anything?

I'd recommend a much more sophisticated recoil pad, now that I think of it that can probably pop someone's arm out of its socket

[Spirit of Hope]

Feed me tanks pls

I was thinking of putting a shield around the rear sight to protect the shooter from the dust and shit the muzzle brake would throw back, but it would probably get in the way and the shooter can just wear goggles.

So any issues with anything?

I'd recommend a much more sophisticated recoil pad, now that I think of it that can probably pop someone's arm out of its socket

That's a feature.

[Fordorsia]

Feed me tanks pls

I was thinking of putting a shield around the rear sight to protect the shooter from the dust and shit the muzzle brake would throw back, but it would probably get in the way and the shooter can just wear goggles.

So any issues with anything?

I'd recommend a much more sophisticated recoil pad, now that I think of it that can probably pop someone's arm out of its socket

Not too sure how it could be improved. Besides, I think that would only be a risk if the butt is directly on your shoulder, in which case you deserve to get it dislocated.

[EsToVnIa]

make it semi automatic

[Fordorsia]

um no