Infantry Discussion Thread, Mk. 8 Mod. 0 [No Kaiju]

[Puzikas]

Eh. The worst thing I can point to is the mag, really. En bloc clips were kind of obsolete when the Garand and came into production, from what I've heard. The HK36 further exacerbates the issue by having a rather funky method for inserting them. The furniture is astoundingly fugly too. Everything else seemed fairly ok though. The round didn't hold up overly well when compared to the 5,56mm NAVO or 5,45mm Soviet, but they at least made an effort to improve its effectiveness beyond what it normally would have been. Further, the inbuilt optic was a rather nice touch.

The microcalibers was the step to the side. IMO it remains one of the few times a viable concept for a microcaliber was introduced, and that was mostly due to the geopolitical climate. H&K wasn't too terribly sure if what to do with the HK36; they wanted to tr replace everything that wasn't a rifle, and then they wanted it to only replace the rifle, and then they made a new niche for it...it just keeps going on and on.

The EnBlocs weren't outdated with the M1 per se, but they were deffenatly outdated by the 1950s. H&Ks unusual use of EnBlocs can best be described as a way to save weight everywhere I suppose, which I guess, tangenically, reached the point of significance. The stock would have fixed itself in time (I hope) but other than that, the rifle was just kind of...not really doing anything particularly spectacular the M16 wasn't. It was kind of like H&K Emulating the old German design philosophy: " anything that can be made well with five parts can be made equally as well with 22".

I mean I have no problem with anyone using it or anything but it just kinda feels weird to me. There was probably an overarching design group and a family of HK36 rifles in concept somewhere in some H&K designers head who wanted to let them out but could only ever convince them that the rifle/Carbine version was useful.

Triplex Hyperburst bayonet for your smart grenade rifle

Motorize bayonet
Call it the blender

That stuff's great. We need more "Fun" scifi writeups.

There's no fun allowed in write-ups!

Not to my knowledge, though there are subsonic cartridges for firing from suppressed 9mm rifles.

There's a few but they are hilariously obscure and are all outdated now. The PSS(2) still has some use.

Also, question for Puz: Is the square front sight hood on the AN-94 square for a reason?

Yeah but its kind of dubious. It's supposed to draw the eye more naturally to the post by giving symmetrical reference points and allow the shooter to sight his target easier by "boxing it in".
It's sights are "better" than the AKs in the respect of unsupported non-stressed shooting, but IMO AK sights are still best combat irons.

I need to make Skandar Pz2200 now.

Railcannon and free electron laser pls
We all unite under one flag in 2200 as a result of NB crashing and burning with other post-CDI States while RCO expands.
It's kinda fun b/c we officially become the first space fairing continent

[EsToVnIa]

proto-norse, proto-slavs, goths, and gauls fighting over the moon

amazing

and i guess w/e trans people are

[Spreewerke]

Can't cut through barbed wire with a machete. Needs proper cutting explosive stuff or wire cutters.

Actually you can without both, its just very difficult and time consuming.

http://i.imgur.com/DLX9UKn.jpg

[Fordorsia]

Who's gonna be the next OP.

I swear to god if the next OP is Puz or Ford...

Please not ford that guy's an asshole

[Yukonastan]

I think the point of I believe the SP-3 ammunition used in those pistols is to look like the shot was taken from an AK from a few hundred metres. Am I right?

Was it exclusive to the S4M?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S4M

Yeah, that's the one.

[Puzikas]

proto-norse, proto-slavs, goths, and gauls fighting over the moon

amazing

and i guess w/e trans people are

It's p gr8 tbh
You should have stayed so we didn't have to rekt Minn.

[Husseinarti]

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in the ftur

Has science gone to far???!?!?

Who will win in 2247 futur war spess cossacka v gayla spess trooper

[Allanea]

Do spess cossacks have space shashkas?

[Gallia-]

well youd have to contend with the "Celestial Navy" of the "Solar Confederation of Man" so that might be problematic for whatever backwards ass shit flinging primitives lived in 2247

[Gallia-]

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I love these old "the future of warfare isn't what it used to be" pics. And while I find the Gallan futuresoldier to be a bit silly-looking, it's interesting in that you've managed to create something unlike just about anything else I associated with the genre.

that's because he's from the 90s not the 70s or whatever

the influences i thought were really obvious tho

"lariatia" and maybe crookfur can probably guess them all off hand

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Should have called it "Infantryman Fett".

no

[Eisarn-Ara]

proto-norse, proto-slavs, goths, and gauls fighting over the moon

amazing

and i guess w/e trans people are

Space-age Eisarn-Ara is like Falkenberg's Legion (J.E.Pournell) met Heinlein's Federation & S.M. Stirling's Domination of the Draka had hatesex.

that's because he's from the 90s not the 70s or whatever

the influences i thought were really obvious tho

No Co-Dominium references then? Fo-shame.

[EsToVnIa]

proto-norse, proto-slavs, goths, and gauls fighting over the moon

amazing

and i guess w/e trans people are

It's p gr8 tbh
You should have stayed so we didn't have to rekt Minn.

i am still there

minn is just my proxy

[Gawdzendia]

Got suggested into making this thing.
Super rough, only just figured out shape in regards to none of the mechanisms colliding with each other within the rifle.
It will be a caseless, 5mm, helical magazine fed, Bullshitium Blaster^TM equipped, OICWesque weapon.

I'm thinking of having the helical mag feed into a not!G11 action, but I don't know how helical mags would fare if the rounds were perpendicular to how they normally are arranged.
Alternatively, P90 mag/feed cause I hate life.

[Khornatenreich]

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Got suggested into making this thing.
Super rough, only just figured out shape in regards to none of the mechanisms colliding with each other within the rifle.
It will be a caseless, 5mm, helical magazine fed, Bullshitium Blaster^TM equipped, OICWesque weapon.

I'm thinking of having the helical mag feed into a not!G11 action, but I don't know how helical mags would fare if the rounds were perpendicular to how they normally are arranged.
Alternatively, P90 mag/feed cause I hate life.

I quite like the look of it, and I get a slight Battlefield 2142 vibe from it (in a good way). This machine remove asshole wizard faces, right?

[Gawdzendia]

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Got suggested into making this thing.
Super rough, only just figured out shape in regards to none of the mechanisms colliding with each other within the rifle.
It will be a caseless, 5mm, helical magazine fed, Bullshitium Blaster^TM equipped, OICWesque weapon.

I'm thinking of having the helical mag feed into a not!G11 action, but I don't know how helical mags would fare if the rounds were perpendicular to how they normally are arranged.
Alternatively, P90 mag/feed cause I hate life.

I quite like the look of it, and I get a slight Battlefield 2142 vibe from it (in a good way). This machine remove asshole wizard faces, right?

It's particularly effective against the magically inclined as it disrupts their connection to 'the bullshit', causing in addition to the direct energy damage something akin to immediate acute radiation poisoning.
Otherwise it's about as deadly as getting a 40mm grenade flung at you.

[Novorden]

Grab bag for Allanea:


(bags/boxes will probably be redone at some point)

Weapons
- 5.7mm PDW
- 30 round magazines x 4
Tools/equipment
- 5.5 inch knife
- Hand chain saw
- LED torch
- Fire starter
- Multi-tool
- Hand crank radio/torch
- Compass
- Folding entrenching tool (Spade/pick)
- Emergency whistle
- Spork / bottle opener
Utility
- Weapon maintenance kit
- Box of matches
- 30cm Zip ties x 20
- Water resistant paper + pen/pencil
- Quick hang buckles x 3
- Sewing needles x 2
- Safety pins x 3
- 2m of Paracord
- Glow sticks
- Hooked pegs x 4
Survival
- First aid kit
- 2500 Kcal ration packs x 3 (Can last up to a recommended maximum of 5 days at 1500 Kcal/day )
- Foil blanket
- Foil Tarp/tent
- Bottle of water purifying tablets (40 tablets)
Hunting
- 8m of fishing line
- Fishing hook x 3
- Fishing bob x 2
- Swivel x 3
- Snare wire x 2

[Allanea]

A folding shovel is inferior in this context - and, frankly, in most context - to a fixed-blade shovel.

It is :

1. Inherently unreliable.
2. Requires more time to deploy.
3. Heavier and less durable than a comparable fixed-blade shovel.

Possibly also make the pen an ultra-durable tactical pen?

[Purpelia]

But if your shovel can't fold how are you supposed to use the shovel head as a platform for when you fire the inbuilt mortar?

[Sediczja]

*snip*

I have no input on the contents, but the art is really nice.

E: Those matches. I see what you did there.

[Novorden]

A folding shovel is inferior in this context - and, frankly, in most context - to a fixed-blade shovel.

It is :

1. Inherently unreliable.
2. Requires more time to deploy.
3. Heavier and less durable than a comparable fixed-blade shovel.

Possibly also make the pen an ultra-durable tactical pen?

You need this to be tacticool to get all the mall buyers, plus most nations seem to use a folding shovel/entrenching tool so they can be that bad.

[Sevvania]

that's because he's from the 90s not the 70s or whatever

the influences i thought were really obvious tho

"lariatia" and maybe crookfur can probably guess them all off hand

I'm sure they are, but I'm not well-versed in the classics. Sci-fi for me is Star Wars, Aliens, Starship Troopers, and Halo, and since your guy doesn't look like any of those things (or anything else that tends to show up in this thread), it seems unique. If only comparatively.

[Allanea]

A folding shovel is inferior in this context - and, frankly, in most context - to a fixed-blade shovel.

It is :

1. Inherently unreliable.
2. Requires more time to deploy.
3. Heavier and less durable than a comparable fixed-blade shovel.

Possibly also make the pen an ultra-durable tactical pen?

You need this to be tacticool to get all the mall buyers, plus most nations seem to use a folding shovel/entrenching tool so they can be that bad.

The nations that use folding shovels are nations whose soldiers don't do much digging. They reduce digging capability to save space..

At the time where lots of digging was done (for example, in WW2), most shovels were fixed-blade. I am strenuously objecting to the folding-shovel heresy.
[And of course, IRL, Cold Steel and other organizations marking to the mall ninja also sell fixed-blade shovels].

[Gallia-]

none of the influences can be considered "classic" outside of maybe shirow and not really then

[Laritaia]

If short handled folding shovels were any good they wouldn't have to include a proper digging tool as standard equipment on practically every vehicle the military operates

[Allanea]

To be fair full-length shovels are always going to be better than any e-tool.