Infantry Discussion Thread, Mk. 8 Mod. 0 [No Kaiju]

[EsToVnIa]

i did but it was retconned when SUPER KRAG was adopted

[Ujiea]

The standard issue uniforms of the Ujiean army

[Khornatenreich]

i did but it was retconned when SUPER KRAG was adopted

SUPER KRAG with frogfolding-stock when?

[Tule]

.45 doesn't provide a meaningful performance boost over 9mm sufficient to justify a switch.

.45 ACP has a muzzle energy of 477-835 joules, 9mm has 570-670 depending on cartridge type. Both cartridges have between 63% and 94% likelihood of a one-shot stop depending on the specific type. THere's no actual difference in performance except that 9mm is more compact.

I agree with your conclusions, but I strongly disagree with the way you arrived at them.

Muzzle energy is a meaningless metric when measuring terminal performance. A .50 BMG ball round will often leave wounds no worse than a .45 ACP FMJ round creates. It doesn't start to tumble really until it reaches about 14-15 inches.
Similarly, a 6.5x52mm Carcano FMJ will leave a wound similar to that of a .25 ACP.

Not all energy is delivered to the target equally. If it's stopped by a vest it will leave the wearer with minor injuries. If it passes cleanly through it will leave a narrow wound. You need to create an actual deep and wide hole.

The "one-shot-stop" rates were based on data that is so nonsensical that they can be dismissed as bad science at best and they are probably complete fabrication.

Marshall & Sanow's "research" lacked controlled environments, controlled subjects and had an inconsistent exposure. You can't make any meaningful conclusions from that.

They would have you believe that a .357 anywhere to your torso will have a 96% chance of stopping you while a .25 will have a 21% chance of stopping you. The .357 has no magical heart seeking qualities so the only way for it to have such a reliable stop rate is for it to cause consisten stops even when non vitals are hit, which conflicts with basic human anatomy.

That being said, yes, the 9mm and .45 have comparable terminal performance. The .45 is slightly superior, but not enough to make up for its inherent capacity disadvantage.

Honestly though when it comes to military side arms you can just issue whatever you want. Once you've pulled a pistol you're all out of luck anyway.

[EsToVnIa]

probably never since they were phased out by the time of whatever regional notWW2 takes place in the 40s

[Puzikas]

Semi-serious inquiry here, what on earth did VBR intend for this style of projectile to be capable of doing?

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Turbulent hydrollic force seperates the projectiles which causes two independent wound tracks

It's doubletap lite.

There's a number of merits to it, provided the bullet is manufactured correctly and loaded amicably.

Here is a write up covering my mechanized infantry companies, cover all of the roles and equipment assigned to the unit. Now with a table of contents.

HE and Thermobaric is kind of redundant
Maybe THERM/HE, HEAT and FRAG, or smoke. The problem with The useage of THERM is that it becomes less effective at around 1.8km above sea level, due to depleated O2 level, which is why it may be desierable to retain HE.

Muzzle energy is a meaningless metric when measuring terminal performance.

By itself yes. It plays a role though.

[Spirit of Hope]

Here is a write up covering my mechanized infantry companies, cover all of the roles and equipment assigned to the unit. Now with a table of contents.

HE and Thermobaric is kind of redundant
Maybe THERM/HE, HEAT and FRAG, or smoke. The problem with The useage of THERM is that it becomes less effective at around 1.8km above sea level, due to depleated O2 level, which is why it may be desierable to retain HE.

Alright, I'll switch HE over to Frag. HE will be special issued if a unit is operating above 1.8 km. May throw a smoke round in as well.

[Puzikas]

Smoke is so useful tbh.

Can't cut through barbed wire with a machete. Needs proper cutting explosive stuff or wire cutters.

Actually you can without both, its just very difficult and time consuming.

SUPER KRAG

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[Spirit of Hope]

Smoke is so useful tbh.

Is now 2 HEAT, 2 FRAG, 2 Thermo, 1 Smoke per fire team. Plus spares stashed in the vehicle in case they run out and need more.

EDIT: Didn't even know they made smoke rounds for the RPG.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Side arms (when issued) should I go more power .45 or more compasity 9mm?

9mm Ultra.
Je moet het.

[Puzikas]

Repeat after me

Point
Tree
Fiddy
Seven
Sig

[Romic]

So what exactly is problematic with the G36 platform?

[Schwere Panzer Abteilung 502]

A .50 BMG ball round will often leave wounds no worse than a .45 ACP FMJ round creates.

How's that? The 50 BMG hasn't been around for 95 years for no reason. If you rake an average civilian sedan with a burst from an M2, there's going to be little chance that the car or its occupants will function very well. Certainly a pistol round has neither the range nor the power to do nearly the same to said car with the same amount of rounds.

[Sediczja]

scope is not broken, fedor, is just lens cap

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

So what exactly is problematic with the G36 platform?

The barrel is embedded in a plastic trunion of sorts, from what I gather. During prolonged firing, this trunion can heat up and become maliable, thus allowing the barrel to move and lose zero. I can't really speak to how true the reports covering the issue were though, or how much heat it took to deform the trunion. Reports claim anything from there being no issue whatsoever, to leaving the gun in the sun will render it useless.

[Romic]

So what exactly is problematic with the G36 platform?

The barrel is embedded in a plastic trunion of sorts, from what I gather. During prolonged firing, this trunion can heat up and become maliable, thus allowing the barrel to move and lose zero.

Any way to fix it without changing the entire rifle persay?

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

The most popular suggestion I've seen is to replace the polymer trunion with one of aluminium or steel. I don't believe that would change the gun too drastically.

[EsToVnIa]

SUPER KRAG

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i will color them in eventully ; _ ;

slightly off topic but changing the bolt from curved to straight shouldn't change anything, right

[Sediczja]

slightly off topic but changing the bolt from curved to straight shouldn't change anything, right

Nothing that I can think of off the top of my head, no.

[Western Pacific Territories]

Who's gonna be the next OP.

I swear to god if the next OP is Puz or Ford...

[Transnapastain]

Who's gonna be the next OP.

I swear to god if the next OP is Puz or Ford...

>implying theres going to be democracy.

Im pretty sure Puz couped the thread. Might as well start bowing and scraping now.

[Western Pacific Territories]

Who's gonna be the next OP.

I swear to god if the next OP is Puz or Ford...

>implying theres going to be democracy.

Im pretty sure Puz couped the thread. Might as well start bowing and scraping now.

I nominate you for OP.


We don't need Puzkins or Ford 2500 OPing the next IDT.

[Puzikas]

The barrel is embedded in a plastic trunion of sorts, from what I gather. During prolonged firing, this trunion can heat up and become maliable, thus allowing the barrel to move and lose zero. I can't really speak to how true the reports covering the issue were though, or how much heat it took to deform the trunion. Reports claim anything from there being no issue whatsoever, to leaving the gun in the sun will render it useless.

Basically

The most popular suggestion I've seen is to replace the polymer trunion with one of aluminium or steel. I don't believe that would change the gun too drastically.

Basically but it would cause problems of some sorts. Im not 100% because I am quite exhausted but there were issues besides H&K being pansies.

slightly off topic but changing the bolt from curved to straight shouldn't change anything, right

Cocking piece.

[Khornatenreich]

I found some kooky kraut grenade launchers from WW2.

http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=2711

http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=2183

[Dostanuot Loj]

So I'm sick, and I have been playing a modded version of Stalker all day.
I have very much fun with AN-94.

Puz, I am convert to hyperburst.