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Postby Northern Remuneration » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:50 am

Thomaion wrote:
Northern Remuneration wrote:Also drew up some rangers. These guys know the land, work for the federal government, and were taught how to use daddy's moosegun effectively.

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That is really good and cool.


Thanks bruv. Note the animal hide gaiters.

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Postby Thomaion » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:50 am

Northern Remuneration wrote:
Thomaion wrote:That is really good and cool.


Thanks bruv. Note the animal hide gaiters.

You should totally make crocodile suits.
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Postby Northern Remuneration » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:51 am

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Thanks bruv. Note the animal hide gaiters.

You should totally make crocodile suits.


Please tell me that's exactly what it sounds like.

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Postby Thomaion » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:55 am

Northern Remuneration wrote:
Thomaion wrote:You should totally make crocodile suits.


Please tell me that's exactly what it sounds like.

Suits of dead crocodiles so you can disguise yourself and shoot people as a crocodile.
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Postby Northern Remuneration » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:57 am

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Northern Remuneration wrote:
Please tell me that's exactly what it sounds like.

Suits of dead crocodiles so you can disguise yourself and shoot people as a crocodile.


I'm pretty sure we're so far away from the natural range of crocodiles that a crocodile would attract as much attention as a ranger.

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Postby Eisarn-Ara » Thu Oct 29, 2015 2:59 am

Northern Remuneration wrote:
Thomaion wrote:Suits of dead crocodiles so you can disguise yourself and shoot people as a crocodile.


I'm pretty sure we're so far away from the natural range of crocodiles that a crocodile would attract as much attention as a ranger.



Elk, Boar & Bear suits, made out hides and using elements from an old-school original article ghillie suit. Could be good for a pathfinder unit in massively overgrown areas (of which, judging by your setting, it is safe to assume those are everywhere).
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Postby Thomaion » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:01 am

Northern Remuneration wrote:
Thomaion wrote:Suits of dead crocodiles so you can disguise yourself and shoot people as a crocodile.


I'm pretty sure we're so far away from the natural range of crocodiles that a crocodile would attract as much attention as a ranger.

Crocodile Deordorizer. I don't think that's a word, but you get the idea.
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Postby Northern Remuneration » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:02 am

Eisarn-Ara wrote:
Northern Remuneration wrote:
I'm pretty sure we're so far away from the natural range of crocodiles that a crocodile would attract as much attention as a ranger.



Elk, Boar & Bear suits, made out hides and using elements from an old-school original article ghillie suit. Could be good for a pathfinder unit in massively overgrown areas (of which, judging by your setting, it is safe to assume those are everywhere).


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I kinda dig that. I'll draw that at some point.

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Postby Aqizithiuda » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:06 am

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Ah, the traction trebuchet.

Honestly, light ballistae and staff slings are the only practical artillery for a field army, but traction trebuchets could be used from fortifications to harass the enemy. Small hamlets and villages are better off retreating into the nearest town or fortress, though. They won't have the skilled manpower or the fortifications necessary to defeat any sizable number of zombies.

but muh holy cities


Cities and towns you defend. Villages and hamlets you write off as collateral damage.
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Postby Thomaion » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:12 am

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Thomaion wrote:but muh holy cities


Cities and towns you defend. Villages and hamlets you write off as collateral damage.

but what if it's a holy village
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Postby Purpelia » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:29 am

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Aqizithiuda wrote:
Cities and towns you defend. Villages and hamlets you write off as collateral damage.

but what if it's a holy village

Than you fail at economy and will lose the war. You should have used the how ever many centuries you had control over that village to make it into a pilgrimage site that grows into a city.
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Postby Thomaion » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:37 am

Purpelia wrote:
Thomaion wrote:but what if it's a holy village

Than you fail at economy and will lose the war. You should have used the how ever many centuries you had control over that village to make it into a pilgrimage site that grows into a city.

It's so holy that it's off limits to peasants and Bokrug-Jesus will eat you if you enter or something similar is what I was intending.
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Postby Purpelia » Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:58 am

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Purpelia wrote:Than you fail at economy and will lose the war. You should have used the how ever many centuries you had control over that village to make it into a pilgrimage site that grows into a city.

It's so holy that it's off limits to peasants and Bokrug-Jesus will eat you if you enter or something similar is what I was intending.

So? That don't mean you can't have it as a site of holy pilgrimage. You just can't let the pilgrims get close. Seriously, just how unenterprising are your people?
Purpelia does not reflect my actual world views. In fact, the vast majority of Purpelian cannon is meant to shock and thus deliberately insane. I just like playing with the idea of a country of madmen utterly convinced that everyone else are the barbarians. So play along or not but don't ever think it's for real.



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Postby Sevvania » Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:40 am

Page 41 demands MP41:
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I like the MP41, but one thing that seems kind of odd is how it went from a pistol grip to more traditional rifle stock, as opposed to the other way around. Does anyone know the reasoning for this?
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Postby Eisarn-Ara » Thu Oct 29, 2015 7:53 am

Sevvania wrote:Page 41 demands MP41:
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I like the MP41, but one thing that seems kind of odd is how it went from a pistol grip to more traditional rifle stock, as opposed to the other way around. Does anyone know the reasoning for this?


If only they gave it a bayonet lug, that would just complete the MP41's Aesthetic so nicely.
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Dictating matters of policy & legality because of "feelings" is foolhardy at best, and the reason why SJWism is cancerous at worst.
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Postby Sediczja » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:15 am

Sevvania wrote:Page 41 demands MP41:
(Image)
I like the MP41, but one thing that seems kind of odd is how it went from a pistol grip to more traditional rifle stock, as opposed to the other way around. Does anyone know the reasoning for this?
My guess is shortage of/inability to produce Bakelite during the later stages of the war. Probably wrong.
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Postby Fordorsia » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:24 am

Arkandros wrote:Volume is easy to calculate though! it's two truncated cones and one cylinder, so (using your case and assuming uniform 1mm case thickness) the volume is equivalent to (((1/3)(pi)((19^2)+(19*17)+(17^2))171)+((1/3)(pi)((17^2)+(17*15)+(15^2)12)+((pi)(15^2)16)), for a grand total of ~195,210mm^3 H2O.
Edit: Give me the actual case thickness at the base, shoulder, and neck and I can calculate your actual case capacity, because it obviously isn't 1mm thick everywhere.
Edit2: does anyone actually have a list of standard ratios for case thickness of cartridges? If so, I'd love to see it.


Would it be acceptable to have the same thickness all over the cartridge? If so it's 1.5mm
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Postby Arkandros » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:46 am

Fordorsia wrote:
Arkandros wrote:Volume is easy to calculate though! it's two truncated cones and one cylinder, so (using your case and assuming uniform 1mm case thickness) the volume is equivalent to (((1/3)(pi)((19^2)+(19*17)+(17^2))171)+((1/3)(pi)((17^2)+(17*15)+(15^2)12)+((pi)(15^2)16)), for a grand total of ~195,210mm^3 H2O.
Edit: Give me the actual case thickness at the base, shoulder, and neck and I can calculate your actual case capacity, because it obviously isn't 1mm thick everywhere.
Edit2: does anyone actually have a list of standard ratios for case thickness of cartridges? If so, I'd love to see it.


Would it be acceptable to have the same thickness all over the cartridge? If so it's 1.5mm

you'd have to ask someone else that question. My familiarity with large-caliber cases is effectively nil. I'll do a couple calculations and get back to you though.
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Postby Sediczja » Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:06 am

Rough WiP of an Orita M41/MP-41/MP 28 mashup. Any thoughts so far? Thinking it will be Sediczja's late-20s-to-early-50s-era SMG.
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Postby Sevvania » Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:11 am

Sediczja wrote:Rough WiP of an Orita M41/MP-41/MP 28 mashup. Any thoughts so far? Thinking it will be Sediczja's late-20s-to-early-50s-era SMG.

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Postby Eisarn-Ara » Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:15 am

Sediczja wrote:Rough WiP of an Orita M41/MP-41/MP 28 mashup. Any thoughts so far? Thinking it will be Sediczja's late-20s-to-early-50s-era SMG.


Fuckyeah, tubeguns stronk.
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Postby Puzikas » Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:22 am

I have no tubeguns. Should probably work on that
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Postby EsToVnIa » Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:23 am

Aqizithiuda wrote:I present to you the 6x42mm SIC. It's a lightweight SCHV round that, while not entirely capable of replacing the 7.62x51mm, comes so close in most regards that you could conceivably use it for most purposes, supplemented with platoon level MMGs.

Many thanks to New Vihenia for the spreadsheet I used to calculate the perforation limits.


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Postby Eisarn-Ara » Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:28 am

Puzikas wrote:I have no tubeguns. Should probably work on that


7.62 Tokarev burp-gun with a bigass casket magazine of the suomi variety?
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We owe you nothing, and you'll like it.
Arabs cannot do "Modern War"
You are all terrible.

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Postby Puzikas » Thu Oct 29, 2015 9:38 am

Probably a Svenska K with a funny muzzle device/suppressor, casket magazine and some various other changes.
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