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Postby Radicchio » Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:22 am

Korva wrote:Field gun discussion really belongs in the artillery and mortar thread.

wait... there is an artillery and mortar thread? why didnt i know this?

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Postby Vancon » Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:23 am

Radicchio wrote:
Korva wrote:Field gun discussion really belongs in the artillery and mortar thread.

wait... there is an artillery and mortar thread? why didnt i know this?

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Postby Schwere Panzer Abieltung 502 » Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:26 am

Fordorsia wrote:Puz you're smart.

What do you think of my rifle and/or the cartridge?

Puz is just a little intern in a hospital that no one visits
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Postby Radicchio » Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:27 am

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Radicchio wrote:wait... there is an artillery and mortar thread? why didnt i know this?

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well that was just cruel... :(

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Postby Fordorsia » Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:33 am

Schwere Panzer Abieltung 502 wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:Puz you're smart.

What do you think of my rifle and/or the cartridge?

Puz is just a little intern in a hospital that no one visits


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Postby United states of brazilian nations » Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:39 am

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Estovnia wrote:take this all to the milrealism thread


So is this all you do now?

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shh


Actually if someone could help with the bullets, that would be great. I dun know how to into them.


I just had this crazy and very likely stupid idea, later (say, WWII) you could make Minengeschoss shells for anti-infantry use. I recall hearing (do not know how much truth there is to it, though) that 30mm Minengeschoss shells used in German planes had explosive power comparable to two grenades (it probably suffered from largely reduced fragmentation, though). You could probably use them as a means to give your soldiers a relatively good-range explosive "launcher" to deal with enemy forces from a distance, maybe even counter-sniper duties (got one hiding in that building? shoot at the window and watch bricks flying everywhere and almost completely destroying the room you just fired at).

In fact, i was thinking about a two-man portable 40mm/30mm autocannon firing what would be basically a 40mm projectile of a Bofors 40mm AA gun/30mm Minengeschoss shell, but with a much shorter case to reduce recoil. It would obviously have a slow velocity and absurd ballistic drop, but would not be used for long-range applications but instead at equal/marginally longer ranges that today's grenade launchers. Their role would be to rain an enemy infantry position with explosive shells, like a mini-artillery piece, only focused on eliminating enemy infantry with precision rather than obliterating a map sector. That and providin fire support/cover for friendly infantry.

Again, these are probably stupid ideas anyways.
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Postby Fordorsia » Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:59 am

United states of brazilian nations wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:
So is this all you do now?



shh


Actually if someone could help with the bullets, that would be great. I dun know how to into them.


I just had this crazy and very likely stupid idea, later (say, WWII) you could make Minengeschoss shells for anti-infantry use. I recall hearing (do not know how much truth there is to it, though) that 30mm Minengeschoss shells used in German planes had explosive power comparable to two grenades (it probably suffered from largely reduced fragmentation, though). You could probably use them as a means to give your soldiers a relatively good-range explosive "launcher" to deal with enemy forces from a distance, maybe even counter-sniper duties (got one hiding in that building? shoot at the window and watch bricks flying everywhere and almost completely destroying the room you just fired at).


That could technically work against infantry but the rifle is giant. You won't be carrying it long distances so you won't really have the chance to run into enemy infantry when on foot. It would be transported mainly by trucks and half tracks, where you would have access to heavy machine guns mounted to them, so why not use them instead? And if you have it for a defensive position then again you would have HMGs and likely artillery support.

All in all doesn't seem worth it to use against infantry, unless it just so happens to be the best thing available.
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Postby Sevvania » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:18 am

New Visegrad wrote:IMO a tight-grouping shotgun is the best anti-zombie weapon without resorting to explosives. You want to be ripping off or shredding limbs and destroying muscles so they can't keep chasing you, and a shotgun will do that better than a rifle.

Shotgun is a popular choice in zombie survival media, but the downside to a shotgun is that the ammo is big, recoil is comparatively hefty, and they're loud. You don't have to shred limbs, you just have to tag the brain. I'd think that a .22 rifle would be sufficient, and you could carry 1000+ rounds in two pockets.
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Postby United states of brazilian nations » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:19 am

Fordorsia wrote:
United states of brazilian nations wrote:
I just had this crazy and very likely stupid idea, later (say, WWII) you could make Minengeschoss shells for anti-infantry use. I recall hearing (do not know how much truth there is to it, though) that 30mm Minengeschoss shells used in German planes had explosive power comparable to two grenades (it probably suffered from largely reduced fragmentation, though). You could probably use them as a means to give your soldiers a relatively good-range explosive "launcher" to deal with enemy forces from a distance, maybe even counter-sniper duties (got one hiding in that building? shoot at the window and watch bricks flying everywhere and almost completely destroying the room you just fired at).


That could technically work against infantry but the rifle is giant. You won't be carrying it long distances so you won't really have the chance to run into enemy infantry when on foot. It would be transported mainly by trucks and half tracks, where you would have access to heavy machine guns mounted to them, so why not use them instead? And if you have it for a defensive position then again you would have HMGs and likely artillery support.

All in all doesn't seem worth it to use against infantry, unless it just so happens to be the best thing available.


MG 108 / Bofors 40mm cannons mounted on half-tracks/Greyhound-esque IFVs then?

Boom boom, screw enemy infantry/light vehicles
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:25 am

New Visegrad wrote:IMO a tight-grouping shotgun is the best anti-zombie weapon without resorting to explosives.

It's actually a semiautomatic rifle in a manageable caliber, one with which you can carry enough ammo to defend, and sustain yourself. So basically a mini-14.
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:39 am

A question regarding general purpose LE rounds. Would it be advisable to do a sort of armour-piercing hollowpoint projectile? Imagine, essentially, a typical solid brass hollowpoint, but with a steel penetrator down the middle.

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For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Postby Transvaal Vrystaat » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:41 am

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
New Visegrad wrote:IMO a tight-grouping shotgun is the best anti-zombie weapon without resorting to explosives.

It's actually a semiautomatic rifle in a manageable caliber, one with which you can carry enough ammo to defend, and sustain yourself. So basically a mini-14.

I'd rather have a FN FAL, because 7.62x51mm NATO is effective against both the body and the soul.
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Postby Sevvania » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:42 am

Transvaal Vrystaat wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:It's actually a semiautomatic rifle in a manageable caliber, one with which you can carry enough ammo to defend, and sustain yourself. So basically a mini-14.

I'd rather have a FN FAL, because 7.62x51mm NATO is effective against both the body and the soul.

If they're "destroy the brain" zombies, shooting them in the body isn't going to do you much good whether you're using 7.62x51mm or not.
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Postby Transvaal Vrystaat » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:45 am

Sevvania wrote:
Transvaal Vrystaat wrote:I'd rather have a FN FAL, because 7.62x51mm NATO is effective against both the body and the soul.

If they're "destroy the brain" zombies, shooting them in the body isn't going to do you much good whether you're using 7.62x51mm or not.

Thankfully, 7.62 NATO is also effective against the soul.
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:51 am

Transvaal Vrystaat wrote:Thankfully, 7.62 NATO is also effective against the soul.

Zombies, however, are already dead. Their souls have passed into the great beyond, thus rendering the 7,62mm NAVO's soul-crushing power irrelevant.
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For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

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For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Postby Spirit of Hope » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:53 am

Sevvania wrote:
Transvaal Vrystaat wrote:I'd rather have a FN FAL, because 7.62x51mm NATO is effective against both the body and the soul.

If they're "destroy the brain" zombies, shooting them in the body isn't going to do you much good whether you're using 7.62x51mm or not.

If I shoot them in the body a couple of times that body isn't going to be supporting the zombie much more. Unless of course these zombies don't need structural stability and spinal cords.
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Postby Fordorsia » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:57 am

Looking okay I think

Is a LOP of 316mm acceptable?
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Postby Immoren » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:58 am

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:
Transvaal Vrystaat wrote:Thankfully, 7.62 NATO is also effective against the soul.

Zombies, however, are already dead. Their souls have passed into the great beyond, thus rendering the 7,62mm NAVO's soul-crushing power irrelevant.


I guess some zombies would object to that.
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Postby Sevvania » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:04 am

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Sevvania wrote:If they're "destroy the brain" zombies, shooting them in the body isn't going to do you much good whether you're using 7.62x51mm or not.

If I shoot them in the body a couple of times that body isn't going to be supporting the zombie much more. Unless of course these zombies don't need structural stability and spinal cords.

Even if you were able to cut the thing in half at the waist with rifle fire, you'd still have crawlers, and you'd still have to finish it with a headshot.
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Postby Transvaal Vrystaat » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:07 am

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:
Transvaal Vrystaat wrote:Thankfully, 7.62 NATO is also effective against the soul.

Zombies, however, are already dead. Their souls have passed into the great beyond, thus rendering the 7,62mm NAVO's soul-crushing power irrelevant.

Yes, but the greatest threat during a zombie infestation are actually other people, who happen to still possess souls. Thusly, 7.62 NATO is still effective.
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Postby New Visegrad » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:07 am

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Spirit of Hope wrote:If I shoot them in the body a couple of times that body isn't going to be supporting the zombie much more. Unless of course these zombies don't need structural stability and spinal cords.

Even if you were able to cut the thing in half at the waist with rifle fire, you'd still have crawlers, and you'd still have to finish it with a headshot.

This is what I was saying about shotguns. Three shots (both shoulders and one to the pelvis) and it's done for. The bones will be shattered and the muscles will be ruined. Sure, it won't be totally dead, but it won't really be a threat unless you go over and feed yourself to it.
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Postby Immoren » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:08 am

Sevvania wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:If I shoot them in the body a couple of times that body isn't going to be supporting the zombie much more. Unless of course these zombies don't need structural stability and spinal cords.

Even if you were able to cut the thing in half at the waist with rifle fire, you'd still have crawlers, and you'd still have to finish it with a headshot.


Then they start to complain about having to collect the pieces of their brain from everywhere,
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:09 am

Sevvania wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:If I shoot them in the body a couple of times that body isn't going to be supporting the zombie much more. Unless of course these zombies don't need structural stability and spinal cords.

Even if you were able to cut the thing in half at the waist with rifle fire, you'd still have crawlers, and you'd still have to finish it with a headshot.

True, but a crawler is slower and less threatening than a walker. Though this is all rather silly in the end. If the zombie doesn't need heart or lungs to continue operations, why does it need a spine and muscles? Why does it need a brain. Only true way to destroy zombies is complete immolation.
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Postby Transvaal Vrystaat » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:12 am

Does that mean the 155mm howitzer is the most effective anti-zombie rifle?
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