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Postby Kamoriaa » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:43 am

Purpelia wrote:I am going to say no. Like everyone involves people such as snipers, drivers, guys that carry ATGM's and machine guns and all sorts of kit as well as everyone performing duties in the rear such as guarding ammo dumps and even MP's. They don't need AT weapons. And they can hardly be expected to carry the weight around either.

2kg?
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Postby Purpelia » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:44 am

Kamoriaa wrote:
Purpelia wrote:I am going to say no. Like everyone involves people such as snipers, drivers, guys that carry ATGM's and machine guns and all sorts of kit as well as everyone performing duties in the rear such as guarding ammo dumps and even MP's. They don't need AT weapons. And they can hardly be expected to carry the weight around either.

2kg?

Even 200g is stupid. You don't load people up with more than they need.
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Postby Kamoriaa » Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:49 am

Purpelia wrote:
Kamoriaa wrote:2kg?

Even 200g is stupid. You don't load people up with more than they need.

Alright, thanks for that.
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Postby Franco-Iberie » Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:05 am

Radicchio wrote:That time of year again, Zday approches.

We are doing a Zday RP in our region and I am curious, is there any delivery system or device that comes to mine (maybe an air rifle?) that would be effective for shooting Zeds with the cure?

Until we can get the cure researched, we'll be using these.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:07 am

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This is a Solothurn 20mm semi-automatic anti-tank rifle:

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Consider the sheer scale of what you are working with; you might very well be working on what would be better suited to the role of a towed weapon.

In fairness, that is a semi-automatic weapon. Single-shot 30mm weapons on roughly the scale of Ford's Boyes Supra do exist.
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Postby Ulfr-Reich » Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:23 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:In fairness, that is a semi-automatic weapon. Single-shot 30mm weapons on roughly the scale of Ford's Boyes Supra do exist.



True though that may be, but there is yet to be (that I know of anyway, some sperg on here can probably just pop a source out of nowhere to prove me wrong) a single-shot, bolt action 30x200 (or whatever the fuck he's using) fired from, or braced upon the shoulder.
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Postby Transvaal Vrystaat » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:01 am

Franco-Iberie wrote:
Radicchio wrote:That time of year again, Zday approches.

We are doing a Zday RP in our region and I am curious, is there any delivery system or device that comes to mine (maybe an air rifle?) that would be effective for shooting Zeds with the cure?

Until we can get the cure researched, we'll be using these.
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Why is there a knife in the stock?
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:13 am

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Imperializt Russia wrote:In fairness, that is a semi-automatic weapon. Single-shot 30mm weapons on roughly the scale of Ford's Boyes Supra do exist.



True though that may be, but there is yet to be (that I know of anyway, some sperg on here can probably just pop a source out of nowhere to prove me wrong) a single-shot, bolt action 30x200 (or whatever the fuck he's using) fired from, or braced upon the shoulder.

Not 30x200, but there is a Russian 30x165mm single shot "rifle" though fired from a tripod.

The technology certainly exists, since the HIWS concept was a device that "allows you to take the recoil force of an 80mm mortar into the shoulder" which I assume was a series of arresting systems in tandem to reduce the impulse sent through the weapon. A fat recoil spring in the barrel assembly of a 30mm "rifle" would go a ways to being useful.
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Postby Eisarn-Ara » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:24 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:Not 30x200, but there is a Russian 30x165mm single shot "rifle" though fired from a tripod.

The technology certainly exists, since the HIWS concept was a device that "allows you to take the recoil force of an 80mm mortar into the shoulder" which I assume was a series of arresting systems in tandem to reduce the impulse sent through the weapon. A fat recoil spring in the barrel assembly of a 30mm "rifle" would go a ways to being useful.



Well then, alright.

Oh, hey, I decided to take a crack at making a high powered 9mm pistol cartridge. I took my .32 Baduila (7.94x25mm) Literally a .32 ACP projectile jammed into a necked 7.65x25mm case) and necked it out to the base diameter itself and basically made an appropriate equivalent of 9mm Largo. I'm calling it ".393 Aþanareiks (9.98x25mm Hauhs-Swinthei)", so, named after a Gothic monarch like most of Eisarn-Ara's cartridges, but with a catchy "9.98-HS" as a slappable title for a sales or manufacturing registry in-canon.

.32 Baduila is on the left, and the WIP of .393 Aþanareiks is on the right (Probably gonna give it's projectile a gas-skirt)

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Actually, you know what, there really isn't all that much different between this and 9mm Largo; it might as well be the in-canon version of it give or take a few millimeters here & there.
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Postby Transvaal Vrystaat » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:32 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:Not 30x200, but there is a Russian 30x165mm single shot "rifle" though fired from a tripod.

If 30x165mm needs a tripod-mounted weapon to be practical, then 30x200mm is going to be shoulder-breaking at best.

Also, fwiw, 20mm is more than enough for most AFVs until like 1941 or so.
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Postby Franco-Iberie » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:38 am

Transvaal Vrystaat wrote:
Franco-Iberie wrote:Until we can get the cure researched, we'll be using these.
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Why is there a knife in the stock?

It's foldable, it exists in case the bayonet becomes unusable, perhaps torn off by an infected.

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Postby Purpelia » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:39 am

Franco-Iberie wrote:
Transvaal Vrystaat wrote:Why is there a knife in the stock?

It's foldable, it exists in case the bayonet becomes unusable, perhaps torn off by an infected.

If that happens you don't need a knife in your stock. The stock is already a big chunky piece of wood. And its on the end of a lever (your rifle). Do you know what happens to a human skull when you hit it with one of those?
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Postby Franco-Iberie » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:42 am

Purpelia wrote:
Franco-Iberie wrote:It's foldable, it exists in case the bayonet becomes unusable, perhaps torn off by an infected.

If that happens you don't need a knife in your stock. The stock is already a big chunky piece of wood. And its on the end of a lever (your rifle). Do you know what happens to a human skull when you hit it with one of those?

Alright, knife will be removed. Any other issues with the weapon?

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Postby Transvaal Vrystaat » Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:52 am

Franco-Iberie wrote:It's foldable, it exists in case the bayonet becomes unusable, perhaps torn off by an infected.

If zombies are close enough to tear your bayonet off, you should probably be getting the fuck out of there instead of attempting to cave in a few skulls.

Franco-Iberie wrote:Alright, knife will be removed. Any other issues with the weapon?

Unless you're using a gas piston, there's no room for an action. I'd also suggest changing the pistol grip.
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Postby Puzikas » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:26 am

Oh good were on zombies again.
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Postby Fordorsia » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:30 am

Transvaal Vrystaat wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Not 30x200, but there is a Russian 30x165mm single shot "rifle" though fired from a tripod.

If 30x165mm needs a tripod-mounted weapon to be practical, then 30x200mm is going to be shoulder-breaking at best.

Also, fwiw, 20mm is more than enough for most AFVs until like 1941 or so.


Well the cartridge could originally be from a small field gun or something. Then when tanks come around it was given an AP projectile and put in a lighter and smaller weapon. I don't think it's too bad that Fordorsia's first AT rifle is essentially a small field gun.
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Postby Sevvania » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:47 am

Franco-Iberie wrote:
Radicchio wrote:That time of year again, Zday approches.

We are doing a Zday RP in our region and I am curious, is there any delivery system or device that comes to mine (maybe an air rifle?) that would be effective for shooting Zeds with the cure?

Until we can get the cure researched, we'll be using these.
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I think I remember seeing this on DA when I was trying to find pics of the SIR from World War Z. It's not a bad-looking rifle, but here are some potential things to consider for a purpose-built zombie gun:
•Semi-automatic, possibly even bolt-action, to conserve ammo and force infantry to pace their shots
•Minimal use of polymers in an effort to simplify manufacturing if your infrastructure is struggling
•Softpoint or hollowpoint ammunition could be good, but I'm not sure how much more difficult it is to manufacture than FMJ
•Spike bayonet is good, but maybe double the length
•If you go with semi-auto, using a gas piston like the AK would probably help with reliability
•A suppressor and/or flashlight could be handy, but might not be entirely necessary
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:48 am

You could conceivably just cast your bullets out of solid lead, which might splash nicely if uncontrolled. Poor on barrel life though, but very easy to manufacture.
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Postby Sevvania » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:53 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:You could conceivably just cast your bullets out of solid lead, which might splash nicely if uncontrolled. Poor on barrel life though, but very easy to manufacture.

Now I've got this mental image of a bunch of modern soldiers wearing digicam volleyfiring into a horde with caplock muzzleloaders.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:58 am

Sevvania wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:You could conceivably just cast your bullets out of solid lead, which might splash nicely if uncontrolled. Poor on barrel life though, but very easy to manufacture.

Now I've got this mental image of a bunch of modern soldiers wearing digicam volleyfiring into a horde with caplock muzzleloaders.

I have a better image.
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Postby Vancon » Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:10 am

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The day when there are parachuting commando vampires, then I'll be worried.

Speaking of which, what kind of weapons would ParaVampires use? What ones would zombitches use?
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Postby Radicchio » Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:26 am

I was just looking for a good deep tissue hypodermic dart gun with a box magazine :(

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Postby Korva » Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:26 am

Fordorsia wrote:
Transvaal Vrystaat wrote:If 30x165mm needs a tripod-mounted weapon to be practical, then 30x200mm is going to be shoulder-breaking at best.

Also, fwiw, 20mm is more than enough for most AFVs until like 1941 or so.


Well the cartridge could originally be from a small field gun or something. Then when tanks come around it was given an AP projectile and put in a lighter and smaller weapon. I don't think it's too bad that Fordorsia's first AT rifle is essentially a small field gun.

Is this compensation for being unable to kill tanks with the AT rifle in RO2?

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