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Postby Western Pacific Territories » Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:09 pm

I'm basically just am going to steal Pimp My Gun art so yeah

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does it work in urban zones?


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Postby Western Pacific Territories » Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:12 pm

If you want a plague so much how about you work on finding the most effective ways to use biohazard weapons.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:14 pm

Dostanuot Loj wrote:I was considering firing port weapons.
Then I was reading combatreform.
Then I read more on firing port weapons.

But now I'm thinking of maybe just giving the IFV an extra belt fed MG or two, with remote mounts.
With the ability for the MG to be dismounted easily and used by the section.

Or dedicated firing port weapons. Not sure yet.

I am considering restructuring my section again too.

I fear having an external MG that must be dismounted from the vehicle by the section to be used as a section MG is not a worthwhile or efficient idea. An RWS that can be removed in a ready state for infantry if the vehicle must be abandoned, that's an interesting idea. To me, at least, because I ostensibly have such RWS mounts.
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Postby EsToVnIa » Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:16 pm

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and their arch nemesis, maltakyan mech inf squad
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Postby Sevvania » Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:17 pm

Western Pacific Territories wrote:I'm basically just am going to steal Pimp My Gun art so yeah

(Image)

does it work in urban zones?

You may need a mag release, but other than that, it's a shotgun, so it'd be fine for urban environments. Also, never use PMG's save function. Use your computer's "snipping tool" or the print screen key to take a picture of the gun. This gives you a higher-quality image.

@Korva: I like the bullpup SKSes. What's your IC reasoning for using them?
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Postby Korva » Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:20 pm

Estovnia wrote:bmp3 whyy

40mm cta imba af tho D:

Sevvania wrote:@Korva: I like the bullpup SKSes. What's your IC reasoning for using them?

I don't really have one, I just like them too.

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Postby New Visegrad » Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:24 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Dostanuot Loj wrote:I was considering firing port weapons.
Then I was reading combatreform.
Then I read more on firing port weapons.

But now I'm thinking of maybe just giving the IFV an extra belt fed MG or two, with remote mounts.
With the ability for the MG to be dismounted easily and used by the section.

Or dedicated firing port weapons. Not sure yet.

I am considering restructuring my section again too.

I fear having an external MG that must be dismounted from the vehicle by the section to be used as a section MG is not a worthwhile or efficient idea. An RWS that can be removed in a ready state for infantry if the vehicle must be abandoned, that's an interesting idea. To me, at least, because I ostensibly have such RWS mounts.

Shouldn't it be as simple as having the bipod or tripod lock into the bottom of the RWS mount and the stock lock into a grip thing that fits around the trigger and has the mechanism for elevating and depressing the gun? With a suitably tight lock it shouldn't need calibration after re-mounting.
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:28 pm

New Visegrad wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:I fear having an external MG that must be dismounted from the vehicle by the section to be used as a section MG is not a worthwhile or efficient idea. An RWS that can be removed in a ready state for infantry if the vehicle must be abandoned, that's an interesting idea. To me, at least, because I ostensibly have such RWS mounts.

Shouldn't it be as simple as having the bipod or tripod lock into the bottom of the RWS mount and the stock lock into a grip thing that fits around the trigger and has the mechanism for elevating and depressing the gun? With a suitably tight lock it shouldn't need calibration after re-mounting.


The problem becomes dismounting it requires a soldier to crawl on the outside of the vehicle to remove the weapon. Either before they engage the enemy, and he remains safe but the vehicle loses a MG to defend itself and the soldiers with, or after engaging, and the soldier is now crawling around the outside of the vehicle under fire. The idea is good, but you may as well just have the MG on the vehicle and in the section. It costs very little against the cost of the vehicle.
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Postby New Visegrad » Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:31 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
New Visegrad wrote:Shouldn't it be as simple as having the bipod or tripod lock into the bottom of the RWS mount and the stock lock into a grip thing that fits around the trigger and has the mechanism for elevating and depressing the gun? With a suitably tight lock it shouldn't need calibration after re-mounting.


The problem becomes dismounting it requires a soldier to crawl on the outside of the vehicle to remove the weapon. Either before they engage the enemy, and he remains safe but the vehicle loses a MG to defend itself and the soldiers with, or after engaging, and the soldier is now crawling around the outside of the vehicle under fire. The idea is good, but you may as well just have the MG on the vehicle and in the section. It costs very little against the cost of the vehicle.

No, I meant the dismountable RWS thing from the second sentence. I agree that having one MG to split between vehicle and dismounts is stupid.
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Postby EsToVnIa » Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:32 pm

Korva wrote:
Estovnia wrote:bmp3 whyy

40mm cta imba af tho D:


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Postby Dostanuot Loj » Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:53 pm

Oh my intention fromnthe beginning was these MGs would be extra to the section's own guns.

So the section could dismount and take them and have more guns!
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Postby Eisarn-Ara » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:09 pm

For those railgun nerds that happen to frequent this thread.
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:12 pm

Dostanuot Loj wrote:Oh my intention fromnthe beginning was these MGs would be extra to the section's own guns.

So the section could dismount and take them and have more guns!

Makes more sense, but I find it unlikely they are getting dismounted so long as the vehicle is in fighting condition. If nothing else vehicle crew members would protest the loss of an MG.
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Postby The Republic of Suomus » Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:57 pm

Eisarn-Ara wrote:For those railgun nerds that happen to frequent this thread.

On the subject of railguns, would it be possible to design a railMG with an AI and a transporter system that returns rounds that miss back into the magazine? Obv not going to be MT.

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Postby Aqizithiuda » Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:02 pm

The Republic of Suomus wrote:
Eisarn-Ara wrote:For those railgun nerds that happen to frequent this thread.

On the subject of railguns, would it be possible to design a railMG with an AI and a transporter system that returns rounds that miss back into the magazine? Obv not going to be MT.


Why not just transport the rounds inside the enemy target?
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Postby Orussia » Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:07 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
The Republic of Suomus wrote:On the subject of railguns, would it be possible to design a railMG with an AI and a transporter system that returns rounds that miss back into the magazine? Obv not going to be MT.


Why not just transport the rounds inside the enemy target?

The idea would be to teleport them back into the magazine just as they're leaving the muzzle, meaning the system won't have to weigh as much/consume as much power.
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:44 pm

Orussia wrote:
Aqizithiuda wrote:
Why not just transport the rounds inside the enemy target?

The idea would be to teleport them back into the magazine just as they're leaving the muzzle, meaning the system won't have to weigh as much/consume as much power.
It's just a video game idea that seemed to have a shred of sense. Was I wrong? :P


Back into the chamber, you mean? Or does the teleporter completely remove all velocity?

I'm either case, the teleportation is probably going to use more energy than the railgun would to fire a half dozen magazines.
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Postby New Korongo » Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:36 pm


Is fitting a fire extinguisher on the outside of the vehicle logical?

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Postby Puzikas » Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:15 am

Is having the fire extinguisher on the outside of a furnace logical?
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Postby Eisarn-Ara » Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:27 am

Making headway on that machine carbine:

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Bergmann MP35 charging mechanism is next, alongside the Beretta Model 1938-based double trigger setup.

Any suggestions for the rearsight would be appreciated.

Edit: Oh, yeah, should it have a spike bayonet? of the MAS-39/FG42/Rexim-Favor variety?
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:33 am

Western Pacific Territories wrote:I'm basically just am going to steal Pimp My Gun art so yeah

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does it work in urban zones?

Not as well as an assault rifle, I'd imagine.
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:39 am

Eisarn-Ara wrote:Making headway on that machine carbine:

(Image)

Bergmann MP35 charging mechanism is next, alongside the Beretta Model 1938-based double trigger setup.

Any suggestions for the rearsight would be appreciated.

Edit: Oh, yeah, should it have a spike bayonet? of the MAS-39/FG42/Rexim-Favor variety?


What's wrong with the current rear sight?

And knife bayonet ftw.
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Postby New Korongo » Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:49 am

Puzikas wrote:Is having the fire extinguisher on the outside of a furnace logical?

That makes sense. I assumed that it would be better for the extinguisher to be within immediate reach of the crew or the infantry riding in the back. It just shows you how much I know about these things.

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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Wed Oct 21, 2015 4:32 am

Stupid question! Why are there no triple-stack magazines? I can find dozens of casket magazines, and even more dual stacks, but not one tri-stack.
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For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

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For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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