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Postby Nachmere » Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:16 pm

Dostanuot Loj wrote:
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IDF formations have been mostly 3X3X3 for nearly ever. I could possibly have 4 tank platoons or another company. IDK that it is a clear cut need though. I rather prefer a smaller, leaner battalion. I guess there are pros and cons to both.

If the battalion is to work in 4 different groups, it will work as following:
2 pure tank companies
1 2:1 tank/armored infantry
1 2:1 armored infantry/tank
My IFVs are basically my tanks with BMP-3 like turrets...

As for the soviets and the 18 tanks thing, I had not though someone actually played around with this. I pull the number 20 out of my head(read ass) after thinking about what is the minimum number of tanks my RL battalion would need to get the stuff it usually does done. It seems however my guesstimate is very close to reality.


IDF tank units were 4x4x3 for a long long time. They moved, as I understand it, to 3x3x3 to allow more maneuver units for fewer tanks. The IDF, always being in a material and personnel shortage, needed maneuver units, and so moved.

Fun fact: This is the kind of thing that I'm mostly into. Armed forces put a surprising amount of money and energy into it.


Been 3X3X3 since the 1970s...As for shortages, the IDF fielded a force of 1800-3600 tanks for the past 40 years...I really don't see the shortage in that respect...

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Postby Dostanuot Loj » Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:22 pm

Nachmere wrote:
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IDF tank units were 4x4x3 for a long long time. They moved, as I understand it, to 3x3x3 to allow more maneuver units for fewer tanks. The IDF, always being in a material and personnel shortage, needed maneuver units, and so moved.

Fun fact: This is the kind of thing that I'm mostly into. Armed forces put a surprising amount of money and energy into it.


Been 3X3X3 since the 1970s...As for shortages, the IDF fielded a force of 1800-3600 tanks for the past 40 years...I really don't see the shortage in that respect...


My understanding was it changed majorly after the 1973 war.
The IDF also likes to keep material in reserve to put crews in. Tank destroyed, crew lives, crew gets a new tank. If you send half the number of tanks into combat, half are left to use after!
It's a fascinating system, I have (Somewhere around here) a translation of a paper written in 1969 about material reserves for active formations in the IDF that talks about it. Great stuff. The Soviets did it for the same reason, except they could expend more people.

My comment regarding material shortages was not meant to imply natural limitations (Only X tanks available), but artificial (only use X tanks so that Y tanks will be available for use).
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Postby Nachmere » Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:24 pm

Dostanuot Loj wrote:
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Been 3X3X3 since the 1970s...As for shortages, the IDF fielded a force of 1800-3600 tanks for the past 40 years...I really don't see the shortage in that respect...


My understanding was it changed majorly after the 1973 war.
The IDF also likes to keep material in reserve to put crews in. Tank destroyed, crew lives, crew gets a new tank. If you send half the number of tanks into combat, half are left to use after!
It's a fascinating system, I have (Somewhere around here) a translation of a paper written in 1969 about material reserves for active formations in the IDF that talks about it. Great stuff. The Soviets did it for the same reason, except they could expend more people.

My comment regarding material shortages was not meant to imply natural limitations (Only X tanks available), but artificial (only use X tanks so that Y tanks will be available for use).


If it was done in the past, it is not done now. All this said I might go for another company in the battalion.

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Postby Inyourfaceistan » Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:29 pm

Does anyone know what caliber the M113 is protected against?

I tried looking it up but all I get is the exact armor dimensions, not what it is armored against.


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Postby Nachmere » Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:31 pm

Inyourfaceistan wrote:Does anyone know what caliber the M113 is protected against?

I tried looking it up but all I get is the exact armor dimensions, not what it is armored against.


I would say 7.62X51mm more or less. Possibly less in some areas, a little more in the front.

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Postby The Corparation » Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:43 pm

Nachmere wrote:
Inyourfaceistan wrote:Does anyone know what caliber the M113 is protected against?

I tried looking it up but all I get is the exact armor dimensions, not what it is armored against.


I would say 7.62X51mm more or less. Possibly less in some areas, a little more in the front.

Wrong answer. M113 is armored against literally everything. Its like you don't even Gavin.
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Postby Nachmere » Sun Oct 04, 2015 4:47 pm

The Corparation wrote:
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I would say 7.62X51mm more or less. Possibly less in some areas, a little more in the front.

Wrong answer. M113 is armored against literally everything. Its like you don't even Gavin.



Memes aside I actually am a Gavin commander lolz. The video of me shooting the M240 in my signature was filmed on a Gavin.

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Postby Western Pacific Territories » Sun Oct 04, 2015 5:20 pm

Nachmere wrote:
The Corparation wrote:Wrong answer. M113 is armored against literally everything. Its like you don't even Gavin.



Memes aside I actually am a Gavin commander lolz. The video of me shooting the M240 in my signature was filmed on a Gavin.

Are you kidding? I am a Gavin.

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Postby Nachmere » Sun Oct 04, 2015 5:22 pm

Western Pacific Territories wrote:
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Memes aside I actually am a Gavin commander lolz. The video of me shooting the M240 in my signature was filmed on a Gavin.

Are you kidding? I am a Gavin.


not this one I hope.

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Postby Western Pacific Territories » Sun Oct 04, 2015 5:25 pm

Nachmere wrote:
Western Pacific Territories wrote:Are you kidding? I am a Gavin.


not this one I hope.

Nah, I'm
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:06 pm

There's a new thread already? Hory sheet.
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Postby Western Pacific Territories » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:07 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:There's a new thread already? Hory sheet.

I'm a M113 Gavin, and I find threads faster than you.

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Postby Orussia » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:15 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:There's a new thread already? Hory sheet.

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Postby Western Pacific Territories » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:17 pm

Orussia wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:There's a new thread already? Hory sheet.

slowpoke.jpg

Hey, it's racist to insult elves you jerk. She identifies as a elf.

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Postby Orussia » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:23 pm

Western Pacific Territories wrote:
Orussia wrote:slowpoke.jpg

Hey, it's racist to insult elves you jerk. She identifies as a elf.

I identify as mayonnaise, and mentioning identities triggers me.

On topic question: Is it still viable to have a launch vehicle for an Iskander-type SSM on a tracked chassis, a la Pluton?
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Postby Western Pacific Territories » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:26 pm

Orussia wrote:
Western Pacific Territories wrote:Hey, it's racist to insult elves you jerk. She identifies as a elf.

I identify as mayonnaise, and mentioning identities triggers me.

On topic question: Is it still viable to have a launch vehicle for an Iskander-type SSM on a tracked chassis, a la Pluton?

We don't care if you identify as mayonnaise, elfs are a real race unlike mayonnaise.

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Postby Nachmere » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:28 pm

this is why i don't stay around the mil realism thread.

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Postby Western Pacific Territories » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:28 pm

Nachmere wrote:this is why i don't stay around the mil realism thread.

Infantry discussion thread is worse, they always do this.

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Postby North Yemen- » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:30 pm

Nachmere wrote:this is why i don't stay around the mil realism thread.

u r a cisgendered fascist, huh?
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Postby Nachmere » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:31 pm

Western Pacific Territories wrote:
Nachmere wrote:this is why i don't stay around the mil realism thread.

Infantry discussion thread is worse, they always do this.


no one even said anything about the cow video i posted, which at least had something to do with the military.

North Yemen- wrote:
Nachmere wrote:this is why i don't stay around the mil realism thread.

u r a cisgendered fascist, huh?


yes.

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Postby Western Pacific Territories » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:31 pm

North Yemen- wrote:
Nachmere wrote:this is why i don't stay around the mil realism thread.

u r a cisgendered fascist, huh?

I bet he hates elves. Have no idea why he hasn't been banned for hating on elfs.

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Postby Orussia » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:34 pm

Western Pacific Territories wrote:
North Yemen- wrote:u r a cisgendered fascist, huh?

I bet he hates elves. Have no idea why he hasn't been banned for hating on elfs.

>inb4 I have actual IC relations with an elf nation
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Postby The Kievan People » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:34 pm

Orussia wrote:On topic question: Is it still viable to have a launch vehicle for an Iskander-type SSM on a tracked chassis, a la Pluton?


Yes.
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Postby Nachmere » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:35 pm

Western Pacific Territories wrote:
North Yemen- wrote:u r a cisgendered fascist, huh?

I bet he hates elves. Have no idea why he hasn't been banned for hating on elfs.


I hate everyone though, I have made this clear on numerous occasions.

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Postby Western Pacific Territories » Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:37 pm

Nachmere wrote:
Western Pacific Territories wrote:I bet he hates elves. Have no idea why he hasn't been banned for hating on elfs.


I hate everyone though, I have made this clear on numerous occasions.

Elves are just the one group of people you shouldn't be hating on, okay? Don;t you know billions of elves were killed in the Elf Genocide?

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