NS Military Realism Consultancy Thread Mark IX Spitfire

[Questers]

I would rather leave it up to you to assess the intelligence of fighting a war in the middle east against an opponent you describe as having a 'complete and utter advantage' on land.

I typed land by accident, they have a advantage on sea. Could you help then?

No.

[Celibrae]

I'm faced with the prospect of fighting an asymmetrical war against capitalist and royalist rebels of a country that recently surrendered to me, probably with an unfriendly populace. What should/shouldn't I do?

[Western Pacific Territories]

Palak, plox assist with OBRAT. I'm working on one for a different nation.

[Spirit of Hope]

I'm faced with the prospect of fighting an asymmetrical war against capitalist and royalist rebels of a country that recently surrendered to me, probably with an unfriendly populace. What should/shouldn't I do?

Lots and lots of variables. What is the general populations feelings, what is the size of the general population, how many rebels are you facing, how large is your army, what is the terrain, how industrialized is the nation, what is the local society like, what tactics are the rebels using, what equipment do the rebels have etc.

Your first objective is to try and keep the general populace from joining with the rebels. Try winning them over to your side by improving infrastructure, try and limit open combat that could hurt non combatants. Try to encourage informants giving you information on the rebels, offer rewards and make any damage look like the rebels faults. Try and find where the rebels are getting weapons and money from and cut those avenues off. Lots of information gathering to figure out who the rebels are and what they are trying to do. Try and arrest rebels instead of just killing them or keeping them without trials.

If you/your nation has the stomach for it maybe take hostages, maybe carry out reprisals. Both can backfire spectacularly though, so be careful.

You win every time the rebels look incompetent and you look strong. The rebels win any time major damage is done or it looks like you are attacking the populace.

[Celibrae]

I'm faced with the prospect of fighting an asymmetrical war against capitalist and royalist rebels of a country that recently surrendered to me, probably with an unfriendly populace. What should/shouldn't I do?

Lots and lots of variables. What is the general populations feelings, what is the size of the general population, how many rebels are you facing, how large is your army, what is the terrain, how industrialized is the nation, what is the local society like, what tactics are the rebels using, what equipment do the rebels have etc.

Your first objective is to try and keep the general populace from joining with the rebels. Try winning them over to your side by improving infrastructure, try and limit open combat that could hurt non combatants. Try to encourage informants giving you information on the rebels, offer rewards and make any damage look like the rebels faults. Try and find where the rebels are getting weapons and money from and cut those avenues off. Lots of information gathering to figure out who the rebels are and what they are trying to do. Try and arrest rebels instead of just killing them or keeping them without trials.

If you/your nation has the stomach for it maybe take hostages, maybe carry out reprisals. Both can backfire spectacularly though, so be careful.

You win every time the rebels look incompetent and you look strong. The rebels win any time major damage is done or it looks like you are attacking the populace.

Thank you.

[Palakistan]

Palak, plox assist with OBRAT. I'm working on one for a different nation.

Who or what is Plox?

Also, I feel if 108 tanks is low for a 20k man armoured division.

[Korouse]

I meant on the sea. Formulating something on land requires far more information, and honestly a lot of improvisation as you go.

Oh, sea. I actually don't have a large navy. 4 carriers, 2 submarines, and 14 are destroyers and frigates. They have a amazingly large navy in comparison.

Do you have any technological advantages? Not just at sea but on air and land too

[Western Pacific Territories]

Oh, sea. I actually don't have a large navy. 4 carriers, 2 submarines, and 14 are destroyers and frigates. They have a amazingly large navy in comparison.

Do you have any technological advantages? Not just at sea but on air and land too

No.

[Western Pacific Territories]

Palak, plox assist with OBRAT. I'm working on one for a different nation.

Who or what is Plox?

Also, I feel if 108 tanks is low for a 20k man armoured division.

It's Engrish.

[Palakistan]

Who or what is Plox?

Also, I feel if 108 tanks is low for a 20k man armoured division.

It's Engrish.

Plox=please?

[Western Pacific Territories]

It's Engrish.

Plox=please?

Yes.

[Questers]

Palak, plox assist with OBRAT. I'm working on one for a different nation.

Who or what is Plox?

Also, I feel if 108 tanks is low for a 20k man armoured division.

I have more tanks in a brigade.

[Palakistan]

Who or what is Plox?

Also, I feel if 108 tanks is low for a 20k man armoured division.

I have more tanks in a brigade.

Golly. Here is my Armoured Division:

Armoured Division
20,000 personnel, 108 tanks, 252 IFVs/APCs (Note: This is a rough approximation of divisional strength)
3x Armoured Brigade Combat Teams

• 3x Combined Arms Battalions:
  
  • Headquarters and Headquarters Company (4x T-90 tank)
  • 1st ArmouredCompany (16x T-90 tank)
  • 2nd Armoured Company (16x T-90 tank)
  • 3rd Mechanised Company (16x M2 Bradley)
  • 4th Mechanised Company (16x M2 Bradley)
• 1x Reconnaissance Squadron
• 1x Field Artillery Battalion (24x M777s)
• Brigade Engineer Battalion
• Brigade Support Battalion

1x Air Calvary Brigade

• Attack Helicopter Battalion (24 x Apache Gunship)
• Assault Helicopter Battalion (30 x Sikorsky Blackhawk Helicopters)
• Attack Reconnaissance Squadron or ARS (21x OH-58D Kiowa Warrior each, and a UAS company with two platoons with 4 RQ-7B Shadow UAV each)
• General Support Aviation Battalion (8 x UH-60 Command Aviation, 12 x CH-47 Chinook and 12 x HH-60M)
• Aviation Support Battalion

1x Logistical Brigade
500 x M35 Cargo trucks
200 x HEMTT Utility Vehicles
1x Mechanized Brigade Combat Team

• 3x Infantry Battalions (48x M2 Bradleys per battalion)
• 1x Reconnaissance Squadron
• 1x Field Artillery Battalion (24x M777s)
• Brigade Engineer Battalion
• Brigade Support Battalion

1x Artillery Brigade

• 3x Armored Artillery Battalion (72x PzH 2000s)
  
  • Headquarters Battery
  • Reconnaissance Battery
  • 3x Artillery Batteries (8x PzH 2000s each)
• 1x Rocket Artillery Battalion (24x M270 MLRS)

What should I take out so I can have more tanks? I fight in open desert enviroments, such that tanks are very important to me.

[Palakistan]

Plox=please?

Yes.

Ok, so ORBAT is the general structure I assume. How many naval ships do you have versus how many naval ships does your enemy have?

[Nachmere]

Yes.

Ok, so ORBAT is the general structure I assume. How many naval ships do you have versus how many naval ships does your enemy have?

OrBat = Order of Battle. Also written OOB sometimes.

[Imperializt Russia]

I have more tanks in a brigade.

Golly. Here is my Armoured Division:

Armoured Division
20,000 personnel, 108 tanks, 252 IFVs/APCs (Note: This is a rough approximation of divisional strength)
3x Armoured Brigade Combat Teams

• 3x Combined Arms Battalions:
  
  • Headquarters and Headquarters Company (4x T-90 tank)
  • 1st ArmouredCompany (16x T-90 tank)
  • 2nd Armoured Company (16x T-90 tank)
  • 3rd Mechanised Company (16x M2 Bradley)
  • 4th Mechanised Company (16x M2 Bradley)
• 1x Reconnaissance Squadron
• 1x Field Artillery Battalion (24x M777s)
• Brigade Engineer Battalion
• Brigade Support Battalion

1x Air Calvary Brigade

• Attack Helicopter Battalion (24 x Apache Gunship)
• Assault Helicopter Battalion (30 x Sikorsky Blackhawk Helicopters)
• Attack Reconnaissance Squadron or ARS (21x OH-58D Kiowa Warrior each, and a UAS company with two platoons with 4 RQ-7B Shadow UAV each)
• General Support Aviation Battalion (8 x UH-60 Command Aviation, 12 x CH-47 Chinook and 12 x HH-60M)
• Aviation Support Battalion

1x Logistical Brigade
500 x M35 Cargo trucks
200 x HEMTT Utility Vehicles
1x Mechanized Brigade Combat Team

• 3x Infantry Battalions (48x M2 Bradleys per battalion)
• 1x Reconnaissance Squadron
• 1x Field Artillery Battalion (24x M777s)
• Brigade Engineer Battalion
• Brigade Support Battalion

1x Artillery Brigade

• 3x Armored Artillery Battalion (72x PzH 2000s)
  
  • Headquarters Battery
  • Reconnaissance Battery
  • 3x Artillery Batteries (8x PzH 2000s each)
• 1x Rocket Artillery Battalion (24x M270 MLRS)

What should I take out so I can have more tanks? I fight in open desert enviroments, such that tanks are very important to me.

For the sheer level of manpower and relatively low mechanisation, this reads almost like a WW2-era formation.

[Dostanuot Loj]

I have more tanks in a brigade.

Golly. Here is my Armoured Division:

Armoured Division
20,000 personnel, 108 tanks, 252 IFVs/APCs (Note: This is a rough approximation of divisional strength)
3x Armoured Brigade Combat Teams

• 3x Combined Arms Battalions:
  
  • Headquarters and Headquarters Company (4x T-90 tank)
  • 1st ArmouredCompany (16x T-90 tank)
  • 2nd Armoured Company (16x T-90 tank)
  • 3rd Mechanised Company (16x M2 Bradley)
  • 4th Mechanised Company (16x M2 Bradley)
• 1x Reconnaissance Squadron
• 1x Field Artillery Battalion (24x M777s)
• Brigade Engineer Battalion
• Brigade Support Battalion

1x Air Calvary Brigade

• Attack Helicopter Battalion (24 x Apache Gunship)
• Assault Helicopter Battalion (30 x Sikorsky Blackhawk Helicopters)
• Attack Reconnaissance Squadron or ARS (21x OH-58D Kiowa Warrior each, and a UAS company with two platoons with 4 RQ-7B Shadow UAV each)
• General Support Aviation Battalion (8 x UH-60 Command Aviation, 12 x CH-47 Chinook and 12 x HH-60M)
• Aviation Support Battalion

1x Logistical Brigade
500 x M35 Cargo trucks
200 x HEMTT Utility Vehicles
1x Mechanized Brigade Combat Team

• 3x Infantry Battalions (48x M2 Bradleys per battalion)
• 1x Reconnaissance Squadron
• 1x Field Artillery Battalion (24x M777s)
• Brigade Engineer Battalion
• Brigade Support Battalion

1x Artillery Brigade

• 3x Armored Artillery Battalion (72x PzH 2000s)
  
  • Headquarters Battery
  • Reconnaissance Battery
  • 3x Artillery Batteries (8x PzH 2000s each)
• 1x Rocket Artillery Battalion (24x M270 MLRS)

What should I take out so I can have more tanks? I fight in open desert enviroments, such that tanks are very important to me.

I count at least 324 tanks, not 108.

[Western Pacific Territories]

Yes.

Ok, so ORBAT is the general structure I assume. How many naval ships do you have versus how many naval ships does your enemy have?

My enemy's military factbook is a WIP currently, but here is a OBRAT for a "expeditionary" force.

Flota Primera Invasión de las Armada Imperiales(2x the numbers)
3x Nimitz Class Carriers
8x Ticonderoga Class Cruisers
64x FA-18 Super Hornets
48x MH-60 Anti-submarine Helicopters
5x Ohio Class submarines
8x Sejong the Great class destroyers
8x Arleigh Burke destroyers
8x Zumwalt Class Frigates

Primera Guerra Relámpago Brigada(3x the numbers)
12x Eurofighter Typhoons
6x F-22 Raptors
24x A-10 Warthogs
18x AH-64 Attack Helicopters
40x Leopard II(Latest Variant)
60x Bradley Fighting Vehicles
20x Dargon Fire SPG
20x M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS)
10x FlakPanzer Gerpard
1200x Imperial Infantry[/quote]

Notice the amount of naval ships and vehicles compared to infantry.

[Immoren]

FORMATION MESSAGING SYSTEM

Modern Warfare places high demands on data transfer speed, reliability and performance. Surveillance, reconnaissance, command, military and other computerized systems are totally dependent on reliable message links.

The increasing need for data transfer requires a digital automatic data transmission and processing at all levels. In addition to speech and messages, the message system must be able to forward computer data and in the future also video feed. Also capability to use wireless systems regardless of conditions or movement, by the troops is necessary.

The Digital System

The first regional field communication systems were acquired defense forces in the 1980s. The systems are intended for our army brigades, divisions and corps, hence the name of the Formation messaging system (FMS). Names of systems used is based on phase of theier acquisition FMS 1, FMS 1M and FMS 2.

Both systems are in roots based on the common regional standards and devices, but they have parts developed manufactured in Immoren. Their key features include digitalization, automatic and advanced subscriber services

Digital technology means, among other things, the possibility of transmitting voice, data and video on the same system. Networks also offers to its subsribers services familiar from civilian networks. These include call transfer and rotation, stand-by, knocking service and conference calling. Priviledge of cutting over previous users can be excersised.

Messages are delivered automatically

the main feature of formation messaging system is automatic call forwarding. Subscribers shall have a system of fixed, independent phone numbers, regardless of location. The system automatically finds the shortest connection between the client and address of the phone.

Links between nodes of system is carried out with field links and field optic fibers. Links always tend to be arranged in a way that the network will be looped, ie secured. Thus system can use other routes, if direct link has been severed.

Formation messaging systems have powerful encryption.

Serves also a mobile warfare

the Formation messaging system are very useful for mobile warfare.

Each station is capable of independent local subscriber services (FMS 1M and FMS 2). The system has paid special attention to mobility and services provided to the mobile subscribers. Mobility and flexibility are improved by the large number of message stations and their ability to be dispersed. In addition The Nodes mounted to the vehicles with ability move in rough terrain. These include the XA-202FMS (SIGPA), SISU NA-111GT (NASU), Hagglunds BV 206, MT-LBFMS, CV90FMS and different off-road trucks

For the mobile subscribers system has node stations for the analog radio access, digital radio access, as well as a signals messaging devices.

The network structure is designed and implemented with computer help.. Structure of the network and its status is presented graphically.

Formation messaging system 2 FMS 2

USE

Field Tele-com network for brigades, divisions and corps.

PROPERTIES

• Digital
• Automatic
• Regional
• Fixed subscriber numbering
• Encrypted trunk network
• Allows for voice and data transmission
• Computer assisted network management
• The system includes 24 signals nodes with: 4 control and monitoring nodes, the central messaging device support nodes, 6 field of radio support nodes (analogue), 6 mobile subscriber support nodes (Digital)
• Signals node includes: Hub, 2 radio link encryption device, fiber optic cable system

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Service Regiment

Field service formation for division, corps, defence district and military area consisting of maintenance, logistics and service units and possible civilian businesses and institutions. Service regiment consists of headquarters and frame organization, consisting of field service units. When required, it can be reinforced with other field service units and civilian businesses and institutions.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I meant on the sea. Formulating something on land requires far more information, and honestly a lot of improvisation as you go.

Oh, sea. I actually don't have a large navy. 4 carriers, 2 submarines, and 14 are destroyers and frigates. They have a amazingly large navy in comparison.

Carriers can be anything between an Independence-class and a Gerald R. Ford, submarines can be anything between a Type XXIII from World War Two to the Virginia-class, destroyers can be anything between the Sakura-class from World War One and an Atago, frigates anything between a Flower-class and the Type 26 Global Combat Ship.
Summa summarum you post was most unhelpful.

[Palakistan]

Golly. Here is my Armoured Division:

Armoured Division
20,000 personnel, 108 tanks, 252 IFVs/APCs (Note: This is a rough approximation of divisional strength)
3x Armoured Brigade Combat Teams

• 3x Combined Arms Battalions:
  
  • Headquarters and Headquarters Company (4x T-90 tank)
  • 1st ArmouredCompany (16x T-90 tank)
  • 2nd Armoured Company (16x T-90 tank)
  • 3rd Mechanised Company (16x M2 Bradley)
  • 4th Mechanised Company (16x M2 Bradley)
• 1x Reconnaissance Squadron
• 1x Field Artillery Battalion (24x M777s)
• Brigade Engineer Battalion
• Brigade Support Battalion

1x Air Calvary Brigade

• Attack Helicopter Battalion (24 x Apache Gunship)
• Assault Helicopter Battalion (30 x Sikorsky Blackhawk Helicopters)
• Attack Reconnaissance Squadron or ARS (21x OH-58D Kiowa Warrior each, and a UAS company with two platoons with 4 RQ-7B Shadow UAV each)
• General Support Aviation Battalion (8 x UH-60 Command Aviation, 12 x CH-47 Chinook and 12 x HH-60M)
• Aviation Support Battalion

1x Logistical Brigade
500 x M35 Cargo trucks
200 x HEMTT Utility Vehicles
1x Mechanized Brigade Combat Team

• 3x Infantry Battalions (48x M2 Bradleys per battalion)
• 1x Reconnaissance Squadron
• 1x Field Artillery Battalion (24x M777s)
• Brigade Engineer Battalion
• Brigade Support Battalion

1x Artillery Brigade

• 3x Armored Artillery Battalion (72x PzH 2000s)
  
  • Headquarters Battery
  • Reconnaissance Battery
  • 3x Artillery Batteries (8x PzH 2000s each)
• 1x Rocket Artillery Battalion (24x M270 MLRS)

What should I take out so I can have more tanks? I fight in open desert enviroments, such that tanks are very important to me.

I count at least 324 tanks, not 108.

O.

[Nachmere]

i just want to say the level of sperg here is very impressive. I feel like I need to step up my game.

[Palakistan]

Golly. Here is my Armoured Division:

Armoured Division
20,000 personnel, 108 tanks, 252 IFVs/APCs (Note: This is a rough approximation of divisional strength)
3x Armoured Brigade Combat Teams

• 3x Combined Arms Battalions:
  
  • Headquarters and Headquarters Company (4x T-90 tank)
  • 1st ArmouredCompany (16x T-90 tank)
  • 2nd Armoured Company (16x T-90 tank)
  • 3rd Mechanised Company (16x M2 Bradley)
  • 4th Mechanised Company (16x M2 Bradley)
• 1x Reconnaissance Squadron
• 1x Field Artillery Battalion (24x M777s)
• Brigade Engineer Battalion
• Brigade Support Battalion

1x Air Calvary Brigade

• Attack Helicopter Battalion (24 x Apache Gunship)
• Assault Helicopter Battalion (30 x Sikorsky Blackhawk Helicopters)
• Attack Reconnaissance Squadron or ARS (21x OH-58D Kiowa Warrior each, and a UAS company with two platoons with 4 RQ-7B Shadow UAV each)
• General Support Aviation Battalion (8 x UH-60 Command Aviation, 12 x CH-47 Chinook and 12 x HH-60M)
• Aviation Support Battalion

1x Logistical Brigade
500 x M35 Cargo trucks
200 x HEMTT Utility Vehicles
1x Mechanized Brigade Combat Team

• 3x Infantry Battalions (48x M2 Bradleys per battalion)
• 1x Reconnaissance Squadron
• 1x Field Artillery Battalion (24x M777s)
• Brigade Engineer Battalion
• Brigade Support Battalion

1x Artillery Brigade

• 3x Armored Artillery Battalion (72x PzH 2000s)
  
  • Headquarters Battery
  • Reconnaissance Battery
  • 3x Artillery Batteries (8x PzH 2000s each)
• 1x Rocket Artillery Battalion (24x M270 MLRS)

What should I take out so I can have more tanks? I fight in open desert enviroments, such that tanks are very important to me.

For the sheer level of manpower and relatively low mechanisation, this reads almost like a WW2-era formation.

I just learned that it was at 324 tanks for the division.
Is it still low?

[Imperializt Russia]

For the sheer level of manpower and relatively low mechanisation, this reads almost like a WW2-era formation.

I just learned that it was at 324 tanks for the division.
Is it still low?

No, that's actually an entirely average figure.

[Palakistan]

Ok, so ORBAT is the general structure I assume. How many naval ships do you have versus how many naval ships does your enemy have?

My enemy's military factbook is a WIP currently, but here is a OBRAT for a "expeditionary" force.

Flota Primera Invasión de las Armada Imperiales(2x the numbers)
3x Nimitz Class Carriers
8x Ticonderoga Class Cruisers
64x FA-18 Super Hornets
48x MH-60 Anti-submarine Helicopters
5x Ohio Class submarines
8x Sejong the Great class destroyers
8x Arleigh Burke destroyers
8x Zumwalt Class Frigates

Primera Guerra Relámpago Brigada(3x the numbers)
12x Eurofighter Typhoons
6x F-22 Raptors
24x A-10 Warthogs
18x AH-64 Attack Helicopters
40x Leopard II(Latest Variant)
60x Bradley Fighting Vehicles
20x Dargon Fire SPG
20x M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS)
10x FlakPanzer Gerpard
1200x Imperial Infantry