NS Military Realism Consultancy Thread Mark IX Spitfire

[Albynau]

Ok, so I am working on developing a SAM based air defense network for my nation. How many SAM site should be sited around the major cities I am trying to protect?

My plans are to use the relatively outdated SA-2 Guideline, SA-4 Ganef, or possibly the more modern SA-3 Goa for the sites, protected by large caliber KS-19 100 mm or KS-19 130mm AA Guns. I might include some faster firing S-60 or ZU-23-2s in there as well, but I am trying to keep everything fairly large and static to justify my AF being in charge of it.

My nation is based in Northern Caucuses and is MT-era, but still very much ex-Soviet in military organization and equipment. Naturally Putin is the biggest threat, there has already been an overflight of Grozny with a Tu-95 Bear we couldn't intercept, hence the effort to reactivate and relocate SAM sites.

The fellow at http://geimint.blogspot.com/ has analysis of the air defense networks for a number of locations (India, Iran, Libya, Korea, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Taiwan, Ukraine etc) that is pretty well done with satellite images and so forth. A good bet is picking a country most similar to your country and tweaking it as you see fit geographically wise.

[Roski]

F-22 with Tiny Tims
Y/y

[The Greater Aryan Race]

Does anyone have any information or sources on the specific structure and organisation of Soviet cavalry-mechanized groups and formations during World War II?

[Radictistan]

Does anyone have any information or sources on the specific structure and organisation of Soviet cavalry-mechanized groups and formations during World War II?

Have you tried the Nafziger collection?

[The Greater Aryan Race]

Does anyone have any information or sources on the specific structure and organisation of Soviet cavalry-mechanized groups and formations during World War II?

Have you tried the Nafziger collection?

Not much luck navigating through that place so far, it's gonna take some time.

[Imperializt Russia]

Unacceptably late due to personal problems, but voting! Or rather, nominations thereof.

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[size=120]This is my Nomination.  There are many like it, but this one is mine.[/size]
[b]Nominee:[/b]

I'm sure we all know the drill by now.

Kind of sad I never did anything to fix the OP and left it as a slightly-adjusted copy-past - maybe the inheritor will do a better job.

I'd like to ask someone to handle the voting region for me, when it comes to it - I'm afraid I no longer have the time or effort to spare

[Imperializt Russia]

This is my Nomination. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nominee: Allanea

[Gallia-]

*ballistic glass intensifies*

youre ten (twenty?) years too late

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium ... roof_glass

[Gallia-]

This is my Nomination. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nominee: Gallan Systems

[Imperializt Russia]

Additionally, for the new OP (if the thread is ever locked), a :code: posting of my OP.
Note the OP images for Soviet formations (imageshack urls) no longer work.

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Bam.

For now, a copy-paste job of my Mark V Spitfire's OP.
The Spitfire V and IX were related developments and I had threads V and IX...
Shut up.

Now.

[size=200][b]IS [x] THE RIGHT NUMBER OF TROOPS FOR MY NATION[/b][/size]
I'm gonna be completely honest for you here. We cannot answer this for you. You're also asking the wrong question. Intrigued? Read further.

Moving along.

This thread is devoted to the presentation and discussion of military technology, tactics and concepts in a realistic setting, as well as the development, deployment and discussion of general military technology. Images are welcome, though we ask that excessively large images (to be determined at presentation) be spoiler'd.

There's something that should definitely be noted here. Seriously.
If you're unwilling to take this point to heart, stop before posting.
If you post something in this thread, whether for critique explicitly, or just to post - you have basically submitted it for critique. If it seems... in some way or other peculiar, it will be critiqued.
Take this as it is, a critique, and not as an insult or a slight.

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Useful links to basic concepts will be added to this OP from time to time, but for now, a FAQ:

[size=150][b]Nuclear Warfare Primer[/b][/size]
[url=http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/effects.htm]Effects of Nuclear Weapons[/url] (Federation of American Scientists)
[url=http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/emp.htm]EMP Effects of Nuclear Weapons[/url] (Federation of American Scientists)
[url=http://www.princeton.edu/~aglaser/lecture2007_weaponeffects.pdf]Effects of Nuclear Weapons[/url] (Princeton University [pdf])
That third link is a lecture given at Princeton University. It's amazingly in depth and pretty impressive.

[size=150][b]How should I organise my force?[/b][/size]
So, organisation. Organisation's an interesting one.
Possibly the most key point will be supporting elements. It's a very easy mistake to form up even entire divisions from simply stacking platoons into companies, into battalions, into regiments and up to divisions.
Supporting elements can range from something as basic as the headquarters of a formation, to an anti-tank unit, to an entire artillery regiment in a division and a field bakery.
To wit, here's a couple of images of a Russian Battalion, Regiment and Division from the Cold War-era. Click the images for full size.
[spoiler=Regiment and Battalion]https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/718x508q90/59/dleq7.jpg[/spoiler][spoiler=Division]https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/536x508q90/838/c9ur.jpg[/spoiler]
Let's look at the Battalion (first image, right). It's made up of three companies, of three platoons each. Describing the BMP armament as a 76mm gun and the rifle as an AKM, it's clearly an old diagram. But still fine.
Note, on the right of the diagram, supporting elements. A mortar battery and an anti-tank platoon - and a series of units described as "tail". Tail, in military parlance, is primarily logistical supporting formations. The Battalion has a relatively "light" tail, of an ambulance, a technical support vehicle and five fuel and cargo trucks.

The Regiment? It features three Battalions, still with their subordinate supporting elements. But it adds even more supporting elements. A battalion of tanks. A reconnaissance company. An artillery subformation with anti-tank, field artillery and anti-air units. A "special troops" subformation of chemical defence and sappers (engineers). An expanded-size tail, with field kitchens, expanded medical section, expanded fuel and cargo section (forty vehicles in addition to the five each of a rifle battalion and those of the tank battalion)
The Division is much the same story. Several of the smaller formation, supporting arms, supporting logistics. It continues up beyond this level and further.

Here are some more Federation of American Scientists links, to American Field Manuals on organisation. The FM-100-2-3 and FM-100-60 manuals, to be precise.
https://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm100-2-3.pdf
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/fm100-60.htm

From Akasha's #4 thread, also all marvellous points:[quote="The Akasha Colony";p="15641330"][size=200][b]Frequently Asked Questions[/b][/size]

[list][size=150][b][*]How big should my military be?[/b][/size][/list]
Before you just fire off that question in this thread, think about a few things, namely what the military's strategic role is supposed to be and how you plan to use it. A small home defense force not expected to be deployed will need fewer men and less money than a big expeditionary military or an enemy-at-the-gates Israel-like mmilitary. It seems common to compare militaries as a percentage of population, so it should be pointed out that in real-life, nations with a military population greater than 1% are exceptionally rare. In fact, out of the top six defense spenders globally, only one (Russia) has an active-duty strength greater than 0.5% of the population, and it's still well short of 1%. Of course, this is still NS, so there's a bit more latitude, but for a nation that expects to have a functioning economy, 2-3% is the limit for a standing military in peacetime. It can surge further in war time when economics are a bit more flexible, but otherwise, keep it reasonable.
[list][size=150][b][*]Should I model my military after Israel? I hear they're badass![/b][/size][/list]
They are. But unless your strategic situation is like Israel's, there's no point. And by strategic situation I mean surrounded by angry neighbors who'd like nothing better than to wipe you off the face of the planet if they could and supported by a global superpower that showers money and defense contracts to support a military beyond your means. Israel's military is geared toward a very specific type of conflict, and it is not a good model for a general-purpose expeditionary military like many prefer to have on NS.
[list][size=150][b][*]Is [x] concept a good idea?[/b][/size][/list]
First, stop and ask yourself 'Has anyone thought of this before?' If the answer is yes, ask yourself why it's not common today. Why have centuries of engineers, theorists, strategists, tacticians, and politicians not considered it a good idea themselves? Has anything changed to suddenly make this idea practical when it wasn't before? Does it seem too good to be true?
Could another nation use this idea? Generally speaking, whatever one nation can develop it can be reasonably expected another nation can develop the same general concept. How effective would it be if they developed it? If it seems like something only your nation can use for some reason, there's likely something wrong with it.
Could anything go wrong? Does it pass the grin test? Put perhaps a bit more simply,[quote="Purpelia";p="15381323"]When looking at Wikipedia for fun stuff to use look at things that were a success. Not at things that were abandoned.[/quote][/quote]
Stolen from Soode's Type 08 thread:

[size=125][u]Links to Other Threads:[/u][/size]

[b]Past Military Realism Threads:[/b]
[url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=137973]NS Military Realism Consultation Thread[/url], Sept 2011 – May 2012
[url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=181798]NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #2[/url], May 2012 – March 2013
NS Military Realism III, March 2013 – July 2013
[url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=253310]NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #4[/url], July 2013 – Jan 2014
[url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=278931]NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #5[/url], Jan 2014 – May 2014
[url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?ns=1&f=23&t=296708]NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #6[/url], May 2014 – Sept 2014
[url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=312468]NS Military Realism Mk. 7[/url], Sept 2014 – Feb 2015
[url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=330512]NS Military Realism Type 08[/url], Feb 2015 - Sept 2015

[b]Other Threads in the Military Realism Family:[/b]
[url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=327895]Military Ground Vehicles of your Nation[/url]: MBTs, IFVs, APCs, SPAAGs, and the like.
[url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=287221]Your Nation’s Air Force[/url]: a place to talk about fighters, bombers, and aviation in general.
[url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=216153&start=2675]Your Nation’s Warships[/url]: nope, still no place for Longswords.
[url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=282677]Non-Military Realism Consultation Thread[/url]: for things like police, government structure, and economics.
[url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=343502]Infantry Discussion Thread[/url]: Never go [i]Full Russian[/i].
[url=http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=328166]Create Your Own Everything[/url]: No, it's not technically a “realism” thread, but it's a nice place to post vehicle or uniform illustrations.

[Minroz]

This is my Nomination. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nominee: Allanea

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

This is my Nomination. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nominee: Allanea

[Korva]

This is my Nomination. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nominee: Roski

[Dostanuot Loj]

This is my Nomination. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nominee: Gallia-

Not Gallian Systems.

[Pharthan]

This is my Nomination. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nominee: Questers

[Roski]

This is my Nomination. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nominee: Roski

Gonna go ahead and say no to this

Thanks tho

I guess.

[The Greater Aryan Race]

This is my Nomination. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nominee: Allanea

[Lamoni]

This is my Nomination. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nominee: Dostanuot Loj

[Rich and Corporations]

This is my Nomination. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nominee: Gallia-

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[Husseinarti]

This is my Nomination. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nominee: Fordosia or whatever

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[Freihafen]

This is my Nomination. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nominee: The Akasha Colony

[New Vihenia]

yay.. we're still 30 pages away and voting already starts :3

Gonna cast mine later.

[Ishanastan]

The US developed desert camo befote GW1, it couldn't scale production fast enough to meet the demand of 400,000+ personnel that needed the uniforms.

Even in OEF and later OIF the armed forces suffered from a critical shortage of desert uniforms which was why the army just said fuck it and spent like 2 billion on developing UCP to replace it all.

Aaah yes, UCP, the camo pattern we all love to wear on grandma's couch.

[Rhodesialund]

This is my Nomination. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nominee: Gallan Systems

[Takhshiyt]

This is my Nomination. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Nominee: Allanea