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by The Kievan People » Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:44 am
by Heavonia » Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:51 am
The Kievan People wrote:A series of small landings aimed at seizing or disrupting key targets: bridges, command posts, airfields etc, in direct support of the main advance would be more useful than a massed landing.
by Imperializt Russia » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:02 am
Heavonia wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:If you can get them there and your enemy doesn't suspect you will, then probably very effective.
How do you propose on landing a brigade of paratroops in a combat drop well behind the enemy line?
How far behind the line is "Estonia" here? It probably won't be effective if your ground forces can't be expected to punch through and link up, even if it throws them into complete disarray. If they're too far to be exploited, then all it will really do is limit the availability of the enemy's reserves as they respond to the landings, and not provide a benefit on the frontline itself.
Well, the assault will come from the southern border of Lithuania.
If we assume 0 hr is the point at which we start rolling across the border. The enemy knows a war is coming because we're not even in-region and we've been shipping forces to the nation on the southern border of Balticland to enable an invasion after they orchestrated a terrorist attack on Kouralian soil. I imagine they'd know if we deployed a brigade of paratroops there, considering all the specialist equipment that comes with it. Would that level of preparedness preclude massed airborne landings.
Also, I was assuming you combine masses of SEAD and regular fighter sweeps over the area of operations and then a load of tactical airlifters fly overhead and drop guys out of them. Is that not how massed airborne landings work? For this I'd assume they'd curve out over the Baltics and come in across the Estonian West Coast.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by The Kievan People » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:04 am
by Western Weyard » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:06 am
Mefpan wrote:I'd rather have them throw the region into shit zone than have Erdogan strap rocket boosters to his country and Wernher von Braun it there and damn the obstacles.
by Heavonia » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:07 am
by Imperializt Russia » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:10 am
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by The Technocratic Syndicalists » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:13 am
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by Western Weyard » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:15 am
The Technocratic Syndicalists wrote:Somebody needs to talk me out of a ridiculous idea:
Basically you take the booster stages of an ICBM and instead of a MIRV bus you give it a large, stealthy hypersonic glider that after re-entry at orbital speeds would skip along the upper atmosphere in a "skip-glide" trajectory. The glider would carry a 2,000 ib payload and once over its target perform an aerobraking maneuver to decelerate to subsonic speeds before deploying a parafoil for landed. With this you deliver a ton of supplies anywhere in the world in less than an hour, say to a team of special forces in hostile territory where an air-drop would be too risky, or medical supplies to a critical patient in a remote area where an air drop would be too slow.
Somewhat feasible? Totally impractical? Utterly insane?
Mefpan wrote:I'd rather have them throw the region into shit zone than have Erdogan strap rocket boosters to his country and Wernher von Braun it there and damn the obstacles.
by The Kievan People » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:15 am
Heavonia wrote:Okay, and an odd question, but I' not sure of how much ground a unit of men can hold, or how much frontage a particular formation ought to be able to cover. For invading the baltic states, what sized force would really be needed to cover that sort of area?
by Imperializt Russia » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:16 am
The Technocratic Syndicalists wrote:Somebody needs to talk me out of a ridiculous idea:
Basically you take the booster stages of an ICBM and instead of a MIRV bus you give it a large, stealthy hypersonic glider that after re-entry at orbital speeds would skip along the upper atmosphere in a "skip-glide" trajectory. The glider would carry a 2,000 ib payload and once over its target perform an aerobraking maneuver to decelerate to subsonic speeds before deploying a GPS controlled parafoil for landing. With this you deliver a ton of supplies anywhere in the world in less than an hour, say to a team of special forces in hostile territory where an air-drop would be too risky or medical supplies to a critical patient in a remote area where an air drop would be too slow.
Somewhat feasible? Totally impractical? Utterly insane?
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by The Kievan People » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:17 am
The Technocratic Syndicalists wrote:Somebody needs to talk me out of a ridiculous idea:
Basically you take the booster stages of an ICBM and instead of a MIRV bus you give it a large, stealthy hypersonic glider that after re-entry at orbital speeds would skip along the upper atmosphere in a "skip-glide" trajectory. The glider would carry a 2,000 ib payload and once over its target perform an aerobraking maneuver to decelerate to subsonic speeds before deploying a GPS controlled parafoil for landing. With this you deliver a ton of supplies anywhere in the world in less than an hour, say to a team of special forces in hostile territory where an air-drop would be too risky or medical supplies to a critical patient in a remote area where an air drop would be too slow.
Somewhat feasible? Totally impractical? Utterly insane?
by The Technocratic Syndicalists » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:20 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:The two words I have for you are "launch costs".
Especially in the case of sending medical supplies to critically injured persons in remote areas.
Like, the funding needed to keep a fleet of these rockets and "stealthy hypersonic gliders" on standby, ready to go, and indeed launch them, would probably pay to give the entire third world air ambulance services.
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by Imperializt Russia » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:26 am
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Husseinarti » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:29 am
by Shonburg » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:30 am
Western Weyard wrote:
- Why base it on Midway? In the early 70's, the Kitty Hawk class (much better suited for fast jets) was already in service for ten years.
- F-16s on a carrier? Uh... no.
- Actually, your whole air wing is kinda weird. No AEW&C planes, no ASW assets - not good for a carrier.
Edit: For comparison, the air wings of a Commonwealth Navy fleet carrier and a light carrier:
Fleet Carrier:
1x VF (12 Fighters)
3x VFA (36 Strike Fighters)
1x VA (10 Bombers)
1x VAW (6 AEW&C aircraft)
1x VAQ (4 EW aircraft)
1x VS (8 ASW aircraft)
1x VK Det. (4 Tanker aircraft)
1x VQ Det. (2 ELINT aircraft)
1x VRC Det. (4 COD aircraft)
1x HSM (8 ASW helicopters)
Light carrier:
2x VFA (24 Strike Fighters)
1x VAW (4 AEW&C aircraft)
1x VAQ (4 EW aircraft)
1x VS Det. (4 ASW aircraft)
1x VRC Det. (2 COD aircraft)
1x HSM (8 ASW helicopters)
by The Technocratic Syndicalists » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:35 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:If it's a limited inventory, that is presumably at or nearing the end of its useful life, this arguably makes the suggestion less viable. Certainly for delivering humanitarian supplies to remote areas. That would simply be frivolous. I imagine that what constitutes a humanitarian payload would have to be preplanned far in advance, to ensure mass and space limits, as well as maintaining the centre of gravity of the vehicle, were adhered to.
It could be argued to have limited military applications, but the delivery of long-range conventional weapons probably makes more sense.
The most viable disposal method would probably be folding them into your space agency and using them for space exploration or satellite launches until the inventory is expended.
Or, since you're apparently wealthy enough to consider this in the first place, just scrap them (or sell them) anyway.
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by New Axiom » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:39 am
Zakuvia wrote:If you aren't imagining a chain gang of adorable old retirees building a wall with Fixodent and using their Hoverounds as tow trucks then you're not the NS I remember.
by Western Weyard » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:40 am
Shonburg wrote:1. Because my nation did not have the budget.
2. My reading comprehension failed me when I read about the Navy variant of the F-16. Changed it to the carrier capable F-15N.
3. Added some AEW&C, the Sea Stallions and Hueys are for ASW
Mefpan wrote:I'd rather have them throw the region into shit zone than have Erdogan strap rocket boosters to his country and Wernher von Braun it there and damn the obstacles.
by The Kievan People » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:44 am
by Imperializt Russia » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:54 am
The Technocratic Syndicalists wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:If it's a limited inventory, that is presumably at or nearing the end of its useful life, this arguably makes the suggestion less viable. Certainly for delivering humanitarian supplies to remote areas. That would simply be frivolous. I imagine that what constitutes a humanitarian payload would have to be preplanned far in advance, to ensure mass and space limits, as well as maintaining the centre of gravity of the vehicle, were adhered to.
It could be argued to have limited military applications, but the delivery of long-range conventional weapons probably makes more sense.
The most viable disposal method would probably be folding them into your space agency and using them for space exploration or satellite launches until the inventory is expended.
Or, since you're apparently wealthy enough to consider this in the first place, just scrap them (or sell them) anyway.
The original idea I had was to use a huge rocket boost to launch a suborbital spaceplane with a fulton recovery system on a skip-glide trajectory to rescue !Not Jack Ryan after he'd been compromised in the middle of durkadurkastan.
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:55 am
New Axiom wrote:500 pages!! Where's the new thread at?
by Imperializt Russia » Wed Aug 03, 2016 11:55 am
The Kievan People wrote:New Axiom wrote:500 pages!! Where's the new thread at?
https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopi ... 3&t=385750
Also,Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.
by Husseinarti » Wed Aug 03, 2016 12:29 pm
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