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Postby Multiversal Domanaeii » Fri May 06, 2016 6:13 pm

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Postby Pilazzio » Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:55 am

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The rise of Fernandian racial superiority and also the bloodline was important to be preserved and the first anti-miscegenation laws were put in place. Then the list of "inferior races" was published by the Council of Lords that included Elvish, Dwarfian and Halflingian races later Humanese were added. However many opposed this racially motivated law and fled from the country.
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Postby Bagong Luzon » Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:30 pm

Does your nation follow a eugenics policy? If not, has your nation ever followed a eugenics policy?

Eugenics was never on the table for the Kingdom.
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Postby The Children of Mama » Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:16 pm

Not really, other than Mama helping us find mates sometimes.

[Mama adds: Actually, I am breeding my Children selectively. They don't quite realize that "helping them find mates" includes genetically screening them and placing good genetic matches in living quarters together in the hope that playmates eventually turn into lovers.

For what it's worth, "eugenics" is a far less precise science than most xenos seem to think it is. Like all creatures, my Children's genetic makeup is extremely complex, and can't be purpose-driven over the generations. I've been very successful at weeding out genetic defects and improving their overall health and constitution, but that's about as far as anyone can go in that area.]

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Postby UniversalCommons » Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:04 pm

We do not use eugenics because it has proven to not be an effective method of improving the overall health of the population. We provide excellent healthcare, elimination of diseases, stimiulating environments, nutrition, and education which has over time improved the general health of the population. We also have used extensive genetic medicine, stem cell therapy, and genetic studies. People have full access to their own genetic records for health purposes. This has allowed the elimination of many recessive diseases and helped identify people who are less likely to cause health problems if they marry. We have been able to eliminate recessive diseases like sickle cell anemia, cystic fibrosis, as well as many hereditary diseases with genetic testing. Some people have chosen to partake of genetic enhancements through gene therapy like increased bone density, muscle mass, or memory capacity. This is however limited to only small increases. There have also been advances in growing tissue for burns, and growing organs to replace damaged organs. If anything people rather than looking for eugenics which breeds pure people with genetic deficiencies we look to hybrid vigor or heterosis-- encouraging people to not breed with relatives. Eugenics breeds people who are inbred and often prone to hereditable diseases.

By systematically eliminating diseases that are gene related, we have a healther population. Combined with superior nutrition, exercise, medicine, and healthcare as well as the study of the Flynn effect, we have been able to improve the overall average intelligence and health of our population.

We provide full support for the disabled and help them integrate into society. We are a dionysian society much closer to Athenian ideals. We actively support diversity. In fact, we believe that genetic diversity will strengthen our population.
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Postby The Land of the Ephyral » Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:08 am


═───╡❖╞────────═ Eugenics in the Freehold ═────────╡❖╞───═

The Freehold of Ephyra has a policy that can be thought of as eugenic in origin. Ephyral citizens, and other European residents and citizens of the wider Freehold, should not and are prohibited from marriage and sexual intercourse with negroid peoples. They are further heavily discouraged from mixed breeding with Asiatic peoples, though this is regarded as of less severe consequence, as Asiatic peoples do not form any considerable minority within the territory of the Freehold.

The Ephyral ethnic group are considered a European race, of particular ethnic kinship to the Nordic and Germanic peoples of northern and Western Europe. The Freehold is often the destination of more conservative European migrants and their families seeking membership of a nation more aligned to their ideals on social matters. European peoples, be they Germanic, Nordic, Slavic, and to a lesser degree Mediterranean, are accepted into the Freehold by the Ephyral if they additionally embrace the Ephyral culture. This condition is usually not a problem as that is why they have relocated.

Male immigrants are factored based on criminal record, qualifications, and willingness to military service. Female immigrants are factored based more physiologically, such as age, fertility, and ability to bear children. This is more important for independent female migrants than those travelling in a family, as women seeking residence and later citizenship within the Freehold should ideally be able to contribute to its future through reproduction.

Ethnic kinship is of high importance to the Freehold, as higher degrees of ethnic similarity reduce conflict and tensions. Therefore, the production of half-breed children is regarded as problematic.

By preventing marriage and reproduction with, on a legal front, negroid peoples, and discouraging breeding with Asiatics, the Freehold hopes to maintain an Ephyro-European base citizenry, and generation by generation slowly assimilate the European migrants into the Ephyral genetic pattern.

This usually doesn't pose much of a problem. Virtually no blacks or Asians voluntarily move to the Freehold, and the negroid populations that do exist are almost entirely enslaved, except for a small population of the Afro-Arab ethnic group.

Though Ephyra has never actively operated on race divisions, it has, over the last century, been working to analyse distinctions between races and couple it with their own historic attitudes. It was long a concept that peoples from the east, that being between the eastern coast of the Mediterranean to as far as one could travel (before the discover of the Pacific ocean), ranged in their nature but were all naturally inferior as people to the Ephyral, both in who they were, their culture, identity, and civilisations. The Ephyral also had awareness of the savagery of the African continent, though much of what lay beyond Sub-Saharan Africa was unknown, and suspected to be brutish and primitive. When the first Ephyral expeditions actually pushed that far south and largely confirmed their suspicions, this cemented another truth in their minds.

The Arab race were regarded as a mixture of these two peoples, and as most interactions with their kind have been violent, during the Islamic expansion, the view of their kind has also been diminished as they've attempted to enforce primitive ideology and religion upon the people of the Freehold both from without and within.

However, the success of the Roman Republic, which the Freehold modelled itself after, and its succeeding empire, as well as the successor states of Europe such as Frankia, and the Holy Romans, as later contemporaries of the Freehold demonstrated that a people existed of some parity to the Freehold's own.

Culturally, the Ephyral consider themselves superior above all. As far as the Ephyral have any concept of racial supremacy, it's that the European peoples including their own have built far greater cultures and civilisations than any from the south or east, with the greatest inventions of philosophy, science, medicine, democracy, and values of liberty, secularisation, and the achievement of great works of art and architecture are the undisputed masters of civilisation.

Ephyra doesn't however operated on a clean-cut white race, black race, Asian race. It determines the (in no specific order) Germanic race, Nordic race, Slavic race, Ephyral race, and the Mediterranean race as the five main components of European peoples, and therefore these are the five most compatible to what they consider the apex of civilisation. The Congoid race and the Capoid race, as well as the Austrlaoid race are thought of as the most primitive and least disposed towards civilisation and wonder. The Arab race, Indian race, and Chinese, Korean, Japanese etc races and their own sub-divisions are considered the most diverse, having at once born people who raise civilisations, and who destroy them. For that reason they are considered intermediate.

It is the belief that citizens of the Freehold, of preferable European blood, should avoid reproduction with the negro as one might with an ape, as the Congoid peoples especially are thought to be the human sub-species closest to that of the ape. Indeed, Ephyra recognises different races as sub-species, capable of interbreeding successfully, but with different physiology and behaviours, and it is simply the case that the more aggressive and larger Congoids are less compatible with advanced civilisation. It is seen as preferable for all peoples to reproduce with their own, and in the greater interest of the Freehold to prevent, prohibit, and abhor miscegenation.

A European Germanic might breed with a Slav, a Nord, or an Ephyral, and this is regarded as acceptable, as all of these peoples in the Freehold adhere to the cultural hegemony of Ephyra. The Congoid peoples of the Freehold do not.

Arab peoples are recognised as Caucasoid in their physiology, thus the ban does not extend to them but neither is reproduction cross-race encouraged. Unpopular in the eyes of other nations, there has been little outrage within the Freehold itself, as conservative attitudes around sexuality are high in the most dominant ethnic groups, including the Ephyral and Arabs, with the latter being readily opposed to the marriage and reproduction of other peoples.

It is essentially legislation surrounding what was already a popular and dominant concept.

═───╡❖╞──────────────═ Article Published in the name of the Freehold of Ephyra and its People ═──────────────╡❖╞───═
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Postby Vandario » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:32 am

Does your nation follow a eugenics policy? If not, has your nation ever followed a eugenics policy? Yes on some level. Mostly weeding out major birth defects before they're born. As technology gets better so shall our methods and effectiveness.
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Postby The Angels of Chaos » Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:43 am

My nation has a policy of letting people do whatever the hell they want. That includes letting parents and scientists genetically modify human embryos.

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Postby Kharaz-A-Kharak » Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:04 am

To the Mettalicans, Eugeny is more like a selection of sperm and eggs of a couple to reduce the chance of genetic diseases, combined with genetic treatment and Augmentation to develop stronger, faster and intelligent individuals, together with exercise, broad psychological and medical care and excellent education. It is not uncommon for parents to request genetic enhancements for their children, so that they can have better chances to obtain sport, artistic and scientific careers. A Blank (a non-Augmented) is seen as fragile (if you could call a 350kg giant as fragile) and a little slow in mind. Augmentations are given freely to all in the Augmentation Parlors kept by the Ministry of Healthcare and Wellness.

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Postby Frenequesta » Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:07 pm

Article I, Clause 10 of the Freneq Constitution states:
No person shall be subject to undue interference into their private lives where such activity targeted in itself creates no harm to society. This includes consensual relationships and activities related to those relationships. . .

Article II, Clauses 1 and 1(b) further states:
No person shall be denied full protection of the laws, or discriminated against before the law or in public accommodations, on the basis of race, species, social or economic class . . . ethnicity, gender, gender identity, [or] disability . . . [and n]o law shall mandate physical, mental, or genetic modification of any person, living or yet to be born.

Putting those together, this means that the government cannot engage in any eugenic practices without consent of the person or people targeted. Reinsburgh Royal University v. Stargate Cooper, 1 [1322] F.R. 655, 661. That being said, even if a couple uses public funds or services to help select desirable traits for their children or remove undesirable traits, that is permissible and the child cannot claim a constitutional violation against their dignity. Id. at 667.

Private companies that offer eugenic services cannot advertise to consumers generally; they must do so only through healthcare providers. The rationale for this is that general advertising of altering desirable or undesirable traits can risk distorting public perceptions of beauty, intelligence etc. so much to undercut the broader public policy of diversity, and potentially lead to inefficiencies in adaptability. Fundamentally, this means that ads only come if a person explicitly asks for it when inquiring about family planning, and usually takes the form of a dense brochure.
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Postby The Proletarian Republic » Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:31 pm

Does your nation follow a eugenics policy? If not, has your nation ever followed a eugenics policy?
Hell no. The Commune is vehemently against eugenics. The neurodivergent and disabled are supported through extensive programs and are frequently delegates in the workers' councils. Eugenics is taught in school to be a horrible thing, especially in what used to be Germany, with the history of the Fascist eugenics from the New Holy Roman Empire.
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Postby 2nd Brazilian Empire » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:23 am

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The Second Empire (1975-present) does not practice eugenics as the constitution prohibits such policy - however, the First Empire (1822-1967) did.

From 1899 to 1940 Emperor Felipe Alberto implemented the Império Forte policy. The 'undesirables' were killed, sterilized, or deported to African colonies, though the Império Forte was centered on forced abortion, arranged marriages between partners with 'desirable' traits, and selective breeding, not genocide.
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Postby Thama » Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:16 am

Does your nation follow a eugenics policy? If not, has your nation ever followed a eugenics policy?

Sort of. Thaman law does not allow the carriage of a malformed fetuses to term, and mandates the curing of all curable diseases and malformations if possible. However there is no law forbidding any person from reproducing.
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Postby Luziyca » Sat Apr 14, 2018 11:22 am

From 1935 to 1971, Luziyca did have a eugenics policy: namely sterilization of those who were deemed "unfit" to reproduce. However, it is now no longer practiced, and is now frowned upon.
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Postby Victorious Decepticons » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:11 pm

Of course we have strict quality control. WE do not let our people or our livestock get built as junk! There are quality control measures in place for each species deemed important to the Empire. We consider it immoral to allow the creation of defective specimens, especially when it is so easy to prevent that from happening. Whether through the use of high-quality code and parts (to make Decepticons), or carefully-studied and tested DNA Codecs and cloning (for biologicals), it is not hard at all to avoid the creation of "cheap knockoff-grade" individuals.


We are the easiest species to mandate quality control for. The law, which is strictly enforced, mandates that every new build have a body that meets or exceeds - preferably exceeds - the Minimum Design Specification for the Decepticon Body. This statute is very explicit about this Specification, which for some systems, goes as far as mandating the size of screws used in particular parts. It can be compared to the building codes some biological nations have for their structures.

New Decepticons must also have, at the time of activation, coding that meets or exceeds the Minimum Specifications for Code Intended to be Sapient. This will produce Code that can support average intelligence, the proper base drives and instincts for a Decepticon, and of course, sapience itself.

Before a new Decepticon can be legally activated, these things must be checked at the local Debugging Center and given approval by the expert coders and engineers that are stationed there for this purpose. At this examination, the new build is also given the latest Standard Educational Data Pack (SEDP), ensuring that he will have all of his basic ("public") education.

Activating an offspring without clearance from Debugging is frowned upon at best, even if the minimums are indeed met. However, activating one that does NOT meet or exceed the minimum specifications is punished with death. This is considered an intentional attempt to by the Coder to weaken the nation by seeding the population with inferiors, and therefore, is treason. Any such offspring are then upgraded so that they do at least meet the mandated standards, assuming that their Code isn't so botched that they can't be helped. If it is hopelessly botched, they are shut down - Decepticons are not sapient until they're around 2 years old, so there is no moral quandary in that aspect of enforcement. They are then raised in government Raising Centers.

We strongly encourage Coders to make sure their offspring exceed the minimum specs, and warn them that merely meeting the minimum means that 50% of Decepticons will be able to best their offspring in both strength and wits, but it is legal to just hit the minimums. The offspring can upgrade himself later on if he so chooses - the Minimums do ensure that he will have the intelligence and physical capabilities needed for such a project.

When new discoveries in engineering or coding are made, they go through extensive testing and quality control. If they are deemed to be improvements, they are made part of the relevant Minimum Specification once a stable version exists. Adults are usually not required to add them in, but all new blank bodies after that point will have the new technology. If an advance is considered important enough to make a major difference on the Strength of the Nation or on its security, then even adults legally MUST upgrade as soon as the parts or data patches are available. Mandatory upgrades of adults are ostensibly paid for by the government, but everyone knows that the price of Energon will end up being hiked up until the cost is covered, whether immediately or at some time in the future.

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Each species of biological that we consider economically important has an Approved DNA Codec, and clones are made based on master templates of the current version. "Natural" reproduction is not allowed for members of these species. The Codec eliminates all genetic errors in these species, includes genetic immunity to all known contagious diseases both major and minor, and also adds (or removes) traits with the goal of making them better livestock. For most of these species, this means that they are better able to understand orders, work harder, work longer, and are far more biologically efficient (and therefore can eat much less) than their wild counterparts.

There is no question of what to do with any unwanted babies, because the clones are sterile. This is specifically to prevent the risk of randomization of their Code. Randomization is terrible for quality control - we want to be able to produce, factory-style, perfect copies of the best versions currently available.

As with Decepticons, when advances in the Codec are made, they are also rolled out to the existing population. DNA patches, as they are known, are administered via injection and quickly overwrite the relevant Code in every cell of existing specimens.

For many species, there is a small "wild" population that persists in woods, marshes, and other areas we can't be arsed to bother going into to get them. These are typically baseline versions of those species, but some have become degraded through the generations due to their population bottlenecks. Still, despite the predictions of our geneticists, it seems like humans in particular will manage to persist - though in tiny numbers - for the foreseeable future. Wimpy "wild" sapient ponies, on the other hand, are expected to go extinct within a generation or two due to the harsh conditions of the wild.

Some say that having genetically-identical livestock leaves a huge opening for some germ to mutate past our coded-in immune system upgrades and kill them all. While this is theoretically possible, the chance is very slight under our system. Any time a new (or mutated) germ is detected, we quickly make DNA patches and inject them into every subject. This stops outbreaks before they can result in major stock loss. At most, we lose one or two worksites' worth of slaves before we have stamped out the germs.
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Postby Hvitmannshjem » Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:19 pm

Yes, we mandate abortion for pregnancies that would produce mentally or physically inferior offspring. The few non-Aryans who live in Hvitmannshjem are required to undergo sterilization.
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Postby Aldina » Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:55 pm

The Imperial Medical Service offers voluntary sterilization for citizens with certain hereditary disorders; the Empire finds the idea of forced sterilization repugnant.
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Postby Nui-ta » Sat Apr 21, 2018 7:27 pm

Nui-ta does not follow and never has followed a eugenics policy. The only measures that even come close are instituted for health reasons, rather than any racial bias (or otherwise).

Genetic screening is an option for parents-to-be, but this is not mandated --- and it is currently very expensive to do so.

The only wide-spread policy that even comes close to a eugenics policy is that during pre-natal check-ups, doctors will recommend an abortion if a very severe defect is found in the fetus. This is only a recommendation; about 10% of pregnancies in Nui-ta which are recommended for an abortion on medical grounds are carried to term anyway.
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Postby Prelovia » Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:03 am

The practice of eugenics is technically legal, however we have no need for such thanks to breakthrough advancements in biotechnology, bio-engineering, and cybernetics.

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Postby Zitravgrad » Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:58 am

We have parental licensing (in factbook, please), as well as other genetic therapies, affordable contraception and compulsory sex education.
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Postby Xmara » Sun Apr 22, 2018 10:03 am

Does your nation follow a eugenics policy? If not, has your nation ever followed a eugenics policy?

Never. And the idea of eugenics is heavily frowned upon.
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Postby Menitene » Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:09 pm

Yes, we practice Eugenics in Menitene and throughout Arcadia. Gene therapy technology is making rapid advancements while we also give compulsory sterilisation to criminals, wasters and other undesirables to prevent the propagation of their genes.



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