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Skarten
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Ex-Nation

Postby Skarten » Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:26 am

No, we don't. Just because you were born within our territory doesn't mean you're one of ours. Unless, of course, your parents were also citizens of Skarten.
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Pilipinas and Malaya
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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:32 am

Our nation does not apply the policy of Jus Soli, or as you call it, Birthright Citizenship. Jus Sanguine is mainly used, the child’s parents have a choice if they want dual citizenship or just one of either of their nationalities. Partial Jus Soli is applied if one in the couple is an honored, special non-citizen in the process of being fast-tracked or vetted by the Citizenship Bureau. It rarely happens though.
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Kommiszar
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Postby Kommiszar » Thu Mar 07, 2019 8:34 am

No birthright citizenship. Citizenship is earned through acts in service to the confederacy, whether it be community service, military service, or other service; whether the individual was born in the country or not. But citizenship is irrevocable.
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Hamidiye
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Postby Hamidiye » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:02 pm

In general the subjects of the Sultan are just that: subjects. Citizenship does not apply. To be a subject of Sultan Mustafa VI. is a blessing and a great honor only bestowed on those born to hamidi parents.
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Alinghi Federal-Democratic Republic
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Postby Alinghi Federal-Democratic Republic » Thu Mar 07, 2019 1:35 pm

The Federal-Democratic Republic of Alinghi, uses a Modifed Jus Soli system.

Bithright citizenship in Alinghi:
  • Who born/adopted in Alinghi by legal immigrant, he/she gain the citizenship when he/she birth.
  • Who born/adopted in Alinghi by who have a Tourist-VISA, he/she gain the citizenship when at least one of his parents will convert or gain an non-touristic VISA.
  • Who born/adopted in Alinghi by illegal immigrants, he/she gain the citizenship when at least one of the parents will regolarize their presence in Alinghi (illegal immigrant, when caugted can be do request to legalize their position, but it's more difficult to obtain a "residential VISA" whan the "normal" process requesting in the Alingan Embassy in their home nation)

Alinghi, uses a Modifed version of Jus Sanguignis, for who born outside the Confederation:
  • For the first generation, Who born/adopted by a couple, what at least one member of a couple is an Alingan Citizen.
  • For the second generation, Who born/adopted by a couple, what at least one member of a couple is an Alingan Citizen, and resided in the Confederal Territory at least 3.5 years. If the parent didn't resided in Alinghi at least 3.5 years, the kid will not gain the citizenship, but he/she can do a request subsequently.
    • If with this system, he/she will be a stateless by the birthplace legislation (ex. the birhtplace legislation will not use the Jus Soli system), the requirement of three years of residence of the Alingan parent in not required, and he/she wil gain the citizenship automatically (pratically is used the First generation's criteria).

Citizenship can be acquired by naturalization, residing legally at least 5 years with a non-touristic VISA, a commission will decide to give the citizenship or not, if denied, the applicant can do a new request after 2 years
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Postby Barfleur » Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:42 pm

In Barfleur, there is no birthright citizenship. Instead, citizenship is gained by either (a) having at least one parent who is a citizen at the time of birth, or (b) immigrating via the legal process.
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Postby Vallermoore » Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:47 pm

If the parents are citizens, so is the baby.

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Sentient Bees
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Postby Sentient Bees » Thu Mar 07, 2019 3:55 pm

All beez are welcome as citizenz of our nation regardlezz of whether they hatched here or not

We allow humanz to live here, but they cannot be citizenz
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Vrama
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Postby Vrama » Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:11 pm

Citizenship is something that is earned or gained. Either the person served in the military or met certain guidelines and passed the citizenship test.

Other nationals are subjects -- those who are born in the kingdom and not subject to a foreign power. In other words, the children of foreigners and not subjects.

OOC:

The idea of birthright citizenship in the 14th amendment is a misnomer. It says:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.


"Subject to the jurisdiction thereof" meant total jurisdiction, not just legal jurisdiction. That is to say, it included political jurisdiction -- owing allegiance to the United States. Those who sponsored the amendment in congress said as much.

For example, it didn't apply to Indians, despite being born in the United States. While Indians were subject to the legal jurisdiction, they were not subject to the political jurisdiction. The Supreme Court confirmed this in Elk v. Wilkins. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elk_v._Wilkins

Elk v. Wilkins:

The evident meaning of these last words is not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance. And the words relate to the time of birth in the one case, as they do to the time of naturalization in the other. Persons not thus subject to the jurisdiction of the United States at the time of birth cannot become so afterwards except by being naturalized, either individually, as by proceedings under the naturalization acts, or collectively, as by the force of a treaty by which foreign territory is acquired.


The current view of birthright citizenship comes from the United States v. Wong Kim Ark. The court wrongly decided that Mr. Wong, son of Chinese immigrants was a citizen by virtue of birth, despite the fact that his parents were subjects of the Emperor, not the United States. Thus, they and the child, owed allegiance to the Qing Dynasty, not the United States.

Further, Wong applied to the children of legal aliens, not illegal aliens.
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Postby Katas » Thu Mar 07, 2019 4:25 pm

There is no automatic citizenship granted to those who were born here, but the process for children of citizens to become citizens is very streamlined

Most people born here are citizens, as living here legally as a child also makes the entire process easier
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Coconut Palm Island
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Postby Coconut Palm Island » Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:04 pm

How it works:
  • Child born to one or two citizens, on our soil: Immediate citizen
  • Child born to non-citizens, on our soil: The parents are given the choice of citizenship for the child
  • Child born to one or two citizens abroad: The parents are given the choice of citizenship

If the parents in situations 2 and 3 choose not to have the child become a citizen, the child can easily apply for citizenship later. We have pretty lenient immigration laws, so citizenship is given to just about anyone who wants to positively contribute to society.
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Mansuriyyah Islamic State
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Postby Mansuriyyah Islamic State » Fri Mar 08, 2019 4:15 am

Until 1979 Mansuriyyah didn't use the concept of birthright citizenship, as national status was based on religion: muslims, whether born in Mansuri territory or overseas, had the right to citizenship. From 1979 onwards, the government adopted a modified jus solis legislation, where only Mansuri-born Muslims where considered full citizens, with foreign born Muslims not having the right to automatic citizenship (they can still apply for it upon immigration but visa and residency are now more difficult to obtain). Mansuri-born non-Muslims according to current legislation hold status of protected minority and foreign-born non-Muslims can apply for residency but not for citizenship.

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Postby Markev » Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:57 am

Native-born Markevans do not automatically become citizens at birth. Each person, regardless of family status, becomes a ward of the state under the nominal authority of the natural parents or state-appointed guardians. The Ministry of Social Education (MSE) regulates citizenship. By the age of 15, a native Markevan must have completed some kind of volunteer work that can be interpreted as having made some contribution to the state. This activity is often symbolic—working in the conservation corps, be- longing to the Markevan Scouts, serving as a hospital “candy striper”—but failure to have one’s activity deemed appropriate can have serious implications.

The young Markevan initially judged “unworthy” of citizenship is put on probation and sent to crash social and philosophical indoctrination classes. At the end of the probationary period, the individual is examined again. Failure results in reduction to the rank of servitor, effectively making the person a second-class citizen for life.

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Ziyu
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Postby Ziyu » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:32 am

In Ziyu, anyone who is born here has the right to apply for citizenship, and if they have no criminal record and express intent to remain residents for at least 4 years, will be granted it. However, being born here does not automatically grant them it. Prior to 2007, this was a privilege only granted to people who were of an Asian or European ethnicity, but has since been expanded to cover everyone.

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Christian Confederation
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Postby Christian Confederation » Sat Mar 09, 2019 9:36 am

Yes for the children of troops/ diplomats Born overseas.
But since the CC spans a large part of the earth birthright citizenship is rearly needed.
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Picentia
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Postby Picentia » Sat Mar 09, 2019 10:52 am

You mean jus soli?
No, only jus sanguinis here.
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Postby Hatzisland » Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:42 am

Halfblakistan wrote:In the United States Republican primary, a lot of Republicans are calling for an end to the Fourteenth Ammendment, which says that anyone born in the United States is a legal citizens. Most other countries in the Americas also have this type of citizenship.

The question is, does your country have it?


IC: No. If two illegals come in and have a baby, the baby inherits the illegal status. If two legal aliens have a baby, the baby inherits the legal alien status, and becomes a citizen after one parent becomes a citizen. If one illegal and one citizen have a baby, then it is up to the parents to decide which status the baby inherits, but no amnesty will be granted to the baby nor the parents.

OOC: Actually, birthright citizenship is not a right in the 14th amendment. The 14th amendment states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." In reality, birthright citizenship was never really seen as allowing illegals who have babies here to be citizens until a 1898 case United States v. Wong Kim Ark. The case was poorly decided, and should be overturned. The idea that an illegal can have a baby, and that baby be a legal decision was laughable 150 years ago, as it should be today. It was not the intention of the 14th amendment to do so(something all justices on the Supreme Court should care about, not just originalists), and therefore the ruling, and the laws of the US, should be changed.
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Postby Brystolville » Sat Mar 09, 2019 1:26 pm

Anyone born in Brystolville is automatically a citizen. This includes children born in Brystolville to foreign diplomats, but in order to follow diplomatic practice, such children are treated as foreign expatriates by the State unless they inform the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that they wish to begin using their Brystolian citizenship.

Anyone born abroad to at least one Brystolian parent is also automatically a citizen.
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Postby Habsburger Osterreich » Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:02 pm

No, Austrian nationality law is rooted in the principle of jus sanguinis.

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Postby Silver Commonwealth » Sat Mar 09, 2019 3:35 pm

"Well, it is complicated..."

"If we are talking about Commonwealth as a whole, it is easy to get the "International" citizenship, but thing is, that regional citizenship is often more important. It is strictly based on ethnicity - you can get it, only if you are a member of the certain ethnicity. If you were born in a different region, but still have different ethnicity, you eill be sent back to the region of the rest of your ethnicity. (SC is a worldwide entity, which is split into several regions, both ethnic, and administrative, with multiple governors.)"
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Postby Vulpixa » Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:03 am

Yes, we practice birthright citizenship. It also counts if one of the parents was from Vulpixa and they gave birth in a Fox-ran state within the region (this includes the Ezo Kitsune State, Oomimi Gitsune, the Kitsune-ko Federation, Moxieland, Akitsu or the Kyuubi-Nasu State) or in Sandslashia (our former colonial master), as well as any fox-ran nations abroad that apply for a form accepting the policy.
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Darussalam
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Postby Darussalam » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:18 am

There's no such thing as citizenship in Darussalam.

The Peacock Throne recognizes and records every distinct individual and entity who conduct any sort of affair with the Throne or its subsidiaries and related entities. Subsidiary entities might record their shareholders, customers, members, or residents. But the notion of centrally-recognized citizenship does not exist beyond privileges extended to the Haidari community as members of the de facto state religion who constituted a majority of the ruling administrative class. It is perhaps best to consider Darussalam as a conglomeration who administers and defends its property in impersonal manner, not particularly tied to any greater national identity except its core ethnicity.
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Postby American Pere Housh » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:35 am

The APH has birthright citizenship and ones that move here can get it after living in the Confederacy for 8 years.
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Postby Luxcentra » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:33 am

Citizenship is automatically given to anyone born here, and is given to any immigrant who resides within the Luxera system for 10 Earth Years, and has been employed for at least 2 earth years, or any immigrant who resides within the Luxera system for at least 7 earth years, and starts a family. Deportation is not a thing, since family units are considered as one individual by the immigration control departments. At most, non-citizens can be moved around the system—but again, the entire family must move.
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Postby Indo States » Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:41 am

We have Birthright Citizenship for Citizens who Born in 1965, 1968, 1970, 1975, 1980, 1986, 1987, 1990, 1991, 1994, 1995, 2000, 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010. Children Born Late after Mentioned Years will Given Birthright Citizenship depends on Start or Deadline of the Operation Birthright Citizenship.
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