Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:20 pmGallia- wrote:Nachmere wrote:god invented tanks so i dont have to be able to run 1.5 miles. just saying.
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Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:20 pmNachmere wrote:god invented tanks so i dont have to be able to run 1.5 miles. just saying.
Actually, tanks were invented to give you firepower. If you're not able to run 1.5 miles then sadly sounds like you need to relook at a career where fitness is paramount.
Infantry, or most combat arms, needs fitness. Plain and simple. Methods of transport are just ways to move you faster and safer.
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:21 pmat least mankind evolved past walking 20 miles and setting up camp afterwards
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:23 pmYou have to carry heavy things long distances. The day that you decide to skip on PT or malinger is the day that you could have spent training to carry a casualty. Don't to PT? How are you going to carry buddy to a helicopter or ambulance when he is wounded?
PT and Discipline, they are two to common core principles of any professional military.
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:27 pmPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:28 pmArcerion wrote:Nachmere wrote:god invented tanks so i dont have to be able to run 1.5 miles. just saying.
Actually, tanks were invented to give you firepower. If you're not able to run 1.5 miles then sadly sounds like you need to relook at a career where fitness is paramount.
Infantry, or most combat arms, needs fitness. Plain and simple. Methods of transport are just ways to move you faster and safer.
yeah....
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:30 pmNachmere wrote:Arcerion wrote:
Actually, tanks were invented to give you firepower. If you're not able to run 1.5 miles then sadly sounds like you need to relook at a career where fitness is paramount.
Infantry, or most combat arms, needs fitness. Plain and simple. Methods of transport are just ways to move you faster and safer.
yeah....
0 fucks, 1 HE shell.
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:32 pmArcerion wrote:
You have to carry heavy things long distances. The day that you decide to skip on PT or malinger is the day that you could have spent training to carry a casualty. Don't to PT? How are you going to carry buddy to a helicopter or ambulance when he is wounded?
PT and Discipline, they are two to common core principles of any professional military.
Fitness isn't tremendously important because ambulances exist now.
You no longer need to carry your friend 5 miles or whatever.
Discipline is instilled by close order drill, not fitness standards. I don't see what running 1.5 miles has to do with carrying a casualty either.
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:33 pmNachmere wrote:Arcerion wrote:
Actually, tanks were invented to give you firepower. If you're not able to run 1.5 miles then sadly sounds like you need to relook at a career where fitness is paramount.
Infantry, or most combat arms, needs fitness. Plain and simple. Methods of transport are just ways to move you faster and safer.
yeah....
Awesome, man. Tank crew. Is this the part where I swoon?
Did you participate in morning PT? Were you more fit, or are you more fit for being in the military? My answer is yes, because fitness is part of my job. I'm sure on your Basic and other courses fitness is emphasized.
At least I was taught that Fitness is a personal responsibility. and it is your responsibility to push yourself.
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:34 pmNachmere wrote:Arcerion wrote:
Actually, tanks were invented to give you firepower. If you're not able to run 1.5 miles then sadly sounds like you need to relook at a career where fitness is paramount.
Infantry, or most combat arms, needs fitness. Plain and simple. Methods of transport are just ways to move you faster and safer.
yeah....
Running may not be important when you crew a tank, but conservation of spotlights? That is paramount.
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:34 pmArcerion wrote:
You have to carry heavy things long distances. The day that you decide to skip on PT or malinger is the day that you could have spent training to carry a casualty. Don't to PT? How are you going to carry buddy to a helicopter or ambulance when he is wounded?
PT and Discipline, they are two to common core principles of any professional military.
Helicopters mede/casevac? Bah. Such decadence.
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:37 pmWhat if the nearest replacement spotlight is exactly 1.5 miles away and you have to replace it in under 10 minutes and 30 seconds?Korva wrote:Running may not be important when you crew a tank, but conservation of spotlights? That is paramount.
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:37 pmGallia- wrote:Arcerion wrote:
You have to carry heavy things long distances. The day that you decide to skip on PT or malinger is the day that you could have spent training to carry a casualty. Don't to PT? How are you going to carry buddy to a helicopter or ambulance when he is wounded?
PT and Discipline, they are two to common core principles of any professional military.
Fitness isn't tremendously important because ambulances exist now.
You no longer need to carry your friend 5 miles or whatever.
Discipline is instilled by close order drill, not fitness standards. I don't see what running 1.5 miles has to do with carrying a casualty either.
Well here you can see soldiers are heavy things. The ambulance may not be able to get to where you are. Middle of a field, two wadis to cross, and under fire. Again, a 1.5 mile run won't kill you every morning. And that physical exertion and fitness will help when the time comes where you need to do something that requires strength.
Its why you see infantry looking like this: Link and not like this: Link
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:37 pmImmoren wrote:Arcerion wrote:
You have to carry heavy things long distances. The day that you decide to skip on PT or malinger is the day that you could have spent training to carry a casualty. Don't to PT? How are you going to carry buddy to a helicopter or ambulance when he is wounded?
PT and Discipline, they are two to common core principles of any professional military.
Helicopters mede/casevac? Bah. Such decadence.
Yes, real soldiers hook chains up and pull crippled MRAPs back to the FOB with their teeth!
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:39 pmCrookfur wrote:Fordorsia wrote:What's Japenese steel? Do you mean differential heat treating? That's just hardening certain parts of the blade, like having a super hard edge and a relatively soft spine. Blades like that stay bent when you bend them, and the edge cracks and breaks. If you want a sword that is versatile, differential heat treating is the worst you can do.
To figure out what kind of sword you need, I need to know the era, the culture, who will use the sword and how you want them to use it.
Pah everyone knows that the only types of swords you need are claymores be they of the great sword or broadsword variety.
*disappears in could of plaid to a skirl of pipes*
Basket-hilted broadswords are the most versatile swords in my correct opinion. They're the shit.
I'll slap them both with my cock
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:39 pm
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:42 pmArcerion wrote:Awesome, man. Tank crew. Is this the part where I swoon?
Did you participate in morning PT? Were you more fit, or are you more fit for being in the military? My answer is yes, because fitness is part of my job. I'm sure on your Basic and other courses fitness is emphasized.
At least I was taught that Fitness is a personal responsibility. and it is your responsibility to push yourself.
A) you do realize i was joking with the "tank were invented so i don't have to run thing"?
B) that said, tank crew do not require the same level of physical fitness as infantry. They require different level of physical fitness, with emphasis on different muscles and abilities. Example:
Typical infantry may need to be able to routinely march long distance with full gear, or run up to 5km with full gear.
Tankers who need to run more than 1000 meters in combat are tankers who are FUBARed.
Hence the emphasis in our PT was short distance runs, short distance runs with stretchers, upper body strength(mostly for tank maintenance).
C) A tank crew is far better off spending an hour practicing tank drills than trying to shave 10 seconds off of their 2km run.
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:44 pmArcerion wrote:
Well here you can see soldiers are heavy things. The ambulance may not be able to get to where you are. Middle of a field, two wadis to cross, and under fire. Again, a 1.5 mile run won't kill you every morning. And that physical exertion and fitness will help when the time comes where you need to do something that requires strength.
Its why you see infantry looking like this: Link and not like this: Link
lol, yeah, those two examples are not at all two ends of a spectrum. You totally are either a triathlon capable cyborg or a 400 pound couchpotato.
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:45 pm
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:45 pmNachmere wrote:Arcerion wrote:Awesome, man. Tank crew. Is this the part where I swoon?
Did you participate in morning PT? Were you more fit, or are you more fit for being in the military? My answer is yes, because fitness is part of my job. I'm sure on your Basic and other courses fitness is emphasized.
At least I was taught that Fitness is a personal responsibility. and it is your responsibility to push yourself.
A) you do realize i was joking with the "tank were invented so i don't have to run thing"?
B) that said, tank crew do not require the same level of physical fitness as infantry. They require different level of physical fitness, with emphasis on different muscles and abilities. Example:
Typical infantry may need to be able to routinely march long distance with full gear, or run up to 5km with full gear.
Tankers who need to run more than 1000 meters in combat are tankers who are FUBARed.
Hence the emphasis in our PT was short distance runs, short distance runs with stretchers, upper body strength(mostly for tank maintenance).
C) A tank crew is far better off spending an hour practicing tank drills than trying to shave 10 seconds off of their 2km run.
Oh of course, but what's the fun in someone being sarcastic if you can't dish it right back?
Hmm, so in Israel (I am assuming based on the photo that's what I am seeing) the PT is tailored to the service?
This is true, but I was always talking about a base fitness level. What Canada calls IBTS (Individual Battle task Standards), basically everyone can do everything to this level. Anything extra is as per your trade/job in the Forces.
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 12:46 pmArcerion wrote:Gallia- wrote:
Fitness isn't tremendously important because ambulances exist now.
You no longer need to carry your friend 5 miles or whatever.
Discipline is instilled by close order drill, not fitness standards. I don't see what running 1.5 miles has to do with carrying a casualty either.
Well here you can see soldiers are heavy things. The ambulance may not be able to get to where you are. Middle of a field, two wadis to cross, and under fire. Again, a 1.5 mile run won't kill you every morning. And that physical exertion and fitness will help when the time comes where you need to do something that requires strength.
Its why you see infantry looking like this: Link and not like this: Link
Look at these muscle gods:
And they fought when men were men, and women were men, and so were the horses!
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