Infantry Discussion Thread, Pattern 7: Sword Edition.

[Laiten]

Even though it's in 5.56 NATO????

Does the cartridge matter? A DMR is most often a straight derivative of one's service rifle, oftentimes firing the same ammunition as it, or it may fire a full-power cartridge currently in use for an MMG. Although at that point you're on the fuzzy line between DMRs and dedicated sniper rifles.

Dont most DMRs use full power cartridges ?

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Does the cartridge matter? A DMR is most often a straight derivative of one's service rifle, oftentimes firing the same ammunition as it, or it may fire a full-power cartridge currently in use for an MMG. Although at that point you're on the fuzzy line between DMRs and dedicated sniper rifles.

Dont most DMRs use full power cartridges ?

A DMR is just a service rifle with a 4x optic, and a slightly longer barrel if you're feeling frisky.

[Immoren]

Difference between "sniper" and "designated marksman" is purely linguistic/semantic/terminological.

[Laiten]

Dont most DMRs use full power cartridges ?

A DMR is just a service rifle with a 4x optic, and a slightly longer barrel if you're feeling frisky.

Id have thought that a battle rifle makes a better DMR, or a specialised weapon like the Dragunov. Thats at least how I would equip my DMs.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

A DMR is just a service rifle with a 4x optic, and a slightly longer barrel if you're feeling frisky.

Id have thought that a battle rifle makes a better DMR, or a specialised weapon like the Dragunov. Thats at least how I would equip my DMs.

There's nothing wrong with that either. The point is 'designated marksman rifles' don't actually exist. They're just a buzzword.

[Laiten]

Id have thought that a battle rifle makes a better DMR, or a specialised weapon like the Dragunov. Thats at least how I would equip my DMs.

There's nothing wrong with that either. The point is 'designated marksman rifles' don't actually exist. They're just a buzzword.

Hm. Theres also the "everyones a marksman" and equipping every grunt with a telescopic scope, right ?

[Sevvania]

Difference between "sniper" and "designated marksman" is purely linguistic/semantic/terminological.

I thought the difference was that a marksman is part of a regular squad, while a sniper either operates with just a spotter or as part of a sniper team.

[Laiten]

Difference between "sniper" and "designated marksman" is purely linguistic/semantic/terminological.

I thought the difference was that a marksman is part of a regular squad, while a sniper either operates with just a spotter or as part of a sniper team.

Also this right there.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Hm. Theres also the "everyones a marksman"

That's just jargon.

equipping every grunt with a telescopic scope, right ?

That's just military graft.

[Schwere Panzer Abieltung 502]

Does the cartridge matter? A DMR is most often a straight derivative of one's service rifle, oftentimes firing the same ammunition as it, or it may fire a full-power cartridge currently in use for an MMG. Although at that point you're on the fuzzy line between DMRs and dedicated sniper rifles.

Dont most DMRs use full power cartridges ?

I believe the USMC equips squad-level marksmen with M16s outfitted for DMR use.

[Husseinarti]

The USMC like M16A4s.

They issue M16A4s, and also issue x4 ACOG scopes and other optics.

The US Army does the same.

[Immoren]

Difference between "sniper" and "designated marksman" is purely linguistic/semantic/terminological.

I thought the difference was that a marksman is part of a regular squad, while a sniper either operates with just a spotter or as part of a sniper team.

In my native tongue both were called for a long time "tarkka-ampuja" which literally means "marksman".

[Sevvania]

I thought the difference was that a marksman is part of a regular squad, while a sniper either operates with just a spotter or as part of a sniper team.

In my native tongue both were called for a long time "tarkka-ampuja" which literally means "marksman".

And while that may be the case, I feel like there's still an easily defined difference between a designated marksman and a sniper. It's not as relative and nebulous as, say, the difference between an assault rifle and a battle rifle.

Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated ... ifferences

[Korva]

Yes.

Even though it's in 5.56 NATO????

Everyone knows that snipers only shoot to wound in order to draw out the target's comrades.

And since 5.56 was designed (solely) to wound...

[Imperializt Russia]

Nation development, obv. You know the phrase "shoot twice and go home", right?

Yes, it was the response from the Swiss to German threats of invasion, so why would it be a tradition for every soldier to fire two shots in any military?

Weirder and more pointless traditions exist.

L86s were used as both LSWs and DMRs, right?

IIRC it was used as section machine gun for a time until they figured that 30 round magazines of 5.56 were less effective than Minimi it supplemented.
It then became, and is still, used as a DMR-type weapon instead.

"DMR" rifles of British inventory are typically L96, now superseded by L129.

Even though it's in 5.56 NATO????

Well I never said it made a good DMR.

Effective against point targets to 800m, according to the Army.

Does the cartridge matter? A DMR is most often a straight derivative of one's service rifle, oftentimes firing the same ammunition as it, or it may fire a full-power cartridge currently in use for an MMG. Although at that point you're on the fuzzy line between DMRs and dedicated sniper rifles.

Dont most DMRs use full power cartridges ?

The US Navy has an M16-derived DMR.

[EsToVnIa]

Infantry Troop (post-1982 Army Modernization)

Rifle squad
-Troop Leader: Sgt.; AUG A1 w/1.5x telescopic sight, MBT-LAW
-Grenadier:Pvt.; AUG A1 w/1.5x telescopic sight and 40mm UBGL
-Grenadier: Pvt.; AUG A1 w/1.5x telescopic sight and 40mm UBGL
-Rifleman: Pvt.; AUG A1 w/1.5x telescopic sight
-Rifleman: Pvt.; AUG A1 w/1.5x telescopic sight
Weapons squad
-Squad Leader: LCpl.; AUG A1 w/1.5x telescopic sight
-Automatic rifleman: Pvt.; AUG LMG w/4x telescopic sight
-Marksman: Pvt.; AUG HBAR w/ 4x telescopic sight
-Rifleman: Pvt.; AUG A1 w/1.5x telescopic sight
-Rifleman: Pvt.; AUG A1 w/1.5x telescopic sight
Vehicle squad
-Commander: Cpl.; CBJ-MS
-Driver: Pvt.; CBJ-MS
-Gunner: Pvt.; CBJ-MS

The squad is the smallest dependent maneuver unit of the Estovnian Army. A squad is lead by a Ýngóðeþjár (comparable to a "corporal"), who is dictated by the Troop commander. Typically each squad is composed of five men: the squad leader, two grenadiers, and two riflemen. The squad leader is equipped with a Rbk 152 in addition to his 5.65mm Ak 2. The grenadiers are equipped with 40mm Gk. 71 launchers as an attachment to their Ak 2. The two riflemen carry a general purpose, dumb-fire rocket launcher to take out small fortifications. All soldiers within the squad have a 1.5x optic on their assault rifle for increase target engagement range.

The weapons squad is set up in a similar fashion to the rifle squad, meaning that it too is composed of five soldiers. It is made up of: a squad leader, automatic rifleman, designated marksman, and two rifleman. The automatic rifleman is equipped with a 5.65mm Ksp 3 with a 4x combat optic. The designated marksmen is equipped with a 5.65mm Psg 3 with a 4x combat optic for increased range. The squad leader and rifleman are all equipped with the 5.65mm Ak 2 with a 1.5x combat optics.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Effective against point targets to 800m, according to the Army.

You know what else is effective against point targets at 800m?

[Laiten]

Effective against point targets to 800m, according to the Army.

You know what else is effective against point targets at 800m?

Rapiers

[Imperializt Russia]

Effective against point targets to 800m, according to the Army.

You know what else is effective against point targets at 800m?

Autocannon fire, light mortars, LMG, GPMG, HMG, sniper fire, rockets, grenade launchers...
Lots of things available to the average infantry platoon.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

You know what else is effective against point targets at 800m?

Rapiers

Go sit in the corner.

You know what else is effective against point targets at 800m?

Autocannon fire, light mortars, LMG, GPMG, HMG, sniper fire, rockets, grenade launchers...
Lots of things available to the average infantry platoon.

I was gonna go with a barrage of 220mm thermobaric missiles.

[Laiten]

Rapiers

Go sit in the corner.

Cant, I impaled myself on one.

[Immoren]

Infantry Squad
Infantry consists of 13 men plus crew of the attached vehicle. Dismounted section is 3x4 man combat patrols led by the squad leader (sergeant). Combat patrols consist of patrol leader (corporal), patrol second in command (vice corporal) and two specialists (depending on situation of the unit they can have ranks of master private, senior private and private). Squad's vehicle usually has master private as driver and vice corporal as vehicle commander. NCO's sport either assault rifles, or multi-projectile weapons, depending on the regiment, while specialist are equipped as machine gunners, anti-tank gunners or marksmen, depending on METT-T considerations.

[Fordorsia]

Go sit in the corner.

Cant, I impaled myself on one.

You now have something in common with the Nirvashi patron saint of periods. You should be ashamed.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

You now have something in common with the Nirvashi patron saint of periods. You should be ashamed.

Never gets old.

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Air cav. How do you do it?

[EsToVnIa]

You now have something in common with the Nirvashi patron saint of periods. You should be ashamed.

Never gets old.

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Air cav. How do you do it?

Lots and lots of sokol