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Who Will be the OP of the next Infantry Thread?

Roski
2
3%
Prem (Estovnia)
7
10%
Puzikas
23
34%
Korva
12
18%
Eisarn-Ara
7
10%
Immoren
8
12%
Nirvash Type TheEND
8
12%
 
Total votes : 67

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Yukonastan
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Postby Yukonastan » Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:47 am

Fordorsia wrote:
Yukonastan wrote:
Nation development, obv. You know the phrase "shoot twice and go home", right?


Yes, it was the response from the Swiss to German threats of invasion, so why would it be a tradition for every soldier to fire two shots in any military?


Because no reason. Besides, YEF ~= every military ever.



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Postby Purpelia » Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:48 am

Fordorsia wrote:
Yukonastan wrote:
Nation development, obv. You know the phrase "shoot twice and go home", right?


Yes, it was the response from the Swiss to German threats of invasion, so why would it be a tradition for every soldier to fire two shots in any military?

Maybe they are firing 5.56 paintball and they need to fire twice so their enemies will at least notice they are being hit?
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Nirvash Type TheEND
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:51 am

Purpelia wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:
Yes, it was the response from the Swiss to German threats of invasion, so why would it be a tradition for every soldier to fire two shots in any military?

Maybe they are firing 5.56 paintball and they need to fire twice so their enemies will at least notice they are being hit?

Fact: Hitting ONE soldier with TWO 5.56 rounds makes it take FOUR soldiers to carry him away.

Simple arithmetic.
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Postby Husseinarti » Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:52 am

Yukonastan wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:
Yes, it was the response from the Swiss to German threats of invasion, so why would it be a tradition for every soldier to fire two shots in any military?


Because no reason. Besides, YEF ~= every military ever.



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Yeah IRL armies are much better anyway.
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Postby Yukonastan » Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:53 am

Purpelia wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:
Yes, it was the response from the Swiss to German threats of invasion, so why would it be a tradition for every soldier to fire two shots in any military?

Maybe they are firing 5.56 paintball and they need to fire twice so their enemies will at least notice they are being hit?


Purp, no. This is like a ceremonial thing. A unit comes back from war, an old bolt-action rifle is drawn from the armory for each platoon, and everyone is given a charger with two cartridges or blanks (necked up 64mm Brenneke have yet to decide whether to put a pill in or no), and they fire those off before boarding the aircraft or ship back home, thus symbolizing "Shoot twice and go home". This relates to the Swiss, who have a policy of armed neutrality, which I'm supposed to have IC-ly. you wouldn't believe the neutrality policy if you followed my ii shenanigans, heh
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Postby Husseinarti » Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:56 am

Yukonastan wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Maybe they are firing 5.56 paintball and they need to fire twice so their enemies will at least notice they are being hit?


Purp, no. This is like a ceremonial thing. A unit comes back from war, an old bolt-action rifle is drawn from the armory for each platoon, and everyone is given a charger with two cartridges or blanks (necked up 64mm Brenneke have yet to decide whether to put a pill in or no), and they fire those off before boarding the aircraft or ship back home, thus symbolizing "Shoot twice and go home". This relates to the Swiss, who have a policy of armed neutrality, which I'm supposed to have IC-ly. you wouldn't believe the neutrality policy if you followed my ii shenanigans, heh


Then it gets sunk be an SSK.
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Postby Yukonastan » Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:01 am

Husseinarti wrote:
Yukonastan wrote:
Purp, no. This is like a ceremonial thing. A unit comes back from war, an old bolt-action rifle is drawn from the armory for each platoon, and everyone is given a charger with two cartridges or blanks (necked up 64mm Brenneke have yet to decide whether to put a pill in or no), and they fire those off before boarding the aircraft or ship back home, thus symbolizing "Shoot twice and go home". This relates to the Swiss, who have a policy of armed neutrality, which I'm supposed to have IC-ly. you wouldn't believe the neutrality policy if you followed my ii shenanigans, heh


Then it gets sunk be an SSK.


Yeah, obviously you're going to be sunk by an SSK(N) when you're coming back from waging peace in a disaster-afflicted region.
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Postby Sevvania » Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:23 am

Yukonastan wrote:(Image)

This is hnng.
Yukonastan wrote:everyone is given a charger with two cartridges or blanks (necked up 64mm Brenneke have yet to decide whether to put a pill in or no), and they fire those off before boarding the aircraft or ship back home, thus symbolizing "Shoot twice and go home".

I was under the impression that "shoot twice and go home" was related to a display of token resistance, rather than some sort of rite of passage.

Edit: But after a quick Google search, I now see the original context.
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Postby Fordorsia » Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:24 am

Yukonastan wrote:
Purpelia wrote:Maybe they are firing 5.56 paintball and they need to fire twice so their enemies will at least notice they are being hit?


Purp, no. This is like a ceremonial thing. A unit comes back from war, an old bolt-action rifle is drawn from the armory for each platoon, and everyone is given a charger with two cartridges or blanks (necked up 64mm Brenneke have yet to decide whether to put a pill in or no), and they fire those off before boarding the aircraft or ship back home, thus symbolizing "Shoot twice and go home". This relates to the Swiss, who have a policy of armed neutrality, which I'm supposed to have IC-ly. you wouldn't believe the neutrality policy if you followed my ii shenanigans, heh


Taking a quote from someone's response to threats of invasion and turning it into a tradition within your own nation still makes no sense. The most sense that could make if it was implimented at a time when an invader had roughly double your military strength (the origin of the phrase), but even that is stretching it since you're not Switzerland responding to German threats. The quote has nothing to do with neutrality.
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Postby Yukonastan » Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:26 am

Sevvania wrote:
Yukonastan wrote:(Image)

This is hnng.
Yukonastan wrote:everyone is given a charger with two cartridges or blanks (necked up 64mm Brenneke have yet to decide whether to put a pill in or no), and they fire those off before boarding the aircraft or ship back home, thus symbolizing "Shoot twice and go home".

I was under the impression that "shoot twice and go home" was related to a display of token resistance, rather than some sort of rite of passage.

Hey, IC nation development. I can take the display of token resistance and turn it into a ceremonial affair, no?



Fordorsia wrote:
Yukonastan wrote:
Purp, no. This is like a ceremonial thing. A unit comes back from war, an old bolt-action rifle is drawn from the armory for each platoon, and everyone is given a charger with two cartridges or blanks (necked up 64mm Brenneke have yet to decide whether to put a pill in or no), and they fire those off before boarding the aircraft or ship back home, thus symbolizing "Shoot twice and go home". This relates to the Swiss, who have a policy of armed neutrality, which I'm supposed to have IC-ly. you wouldn't believe the neutrality policy if you followed my ii shenanigans, heh


Taking a quote from someone's response to threats of invasion and turning it into a tradition within your own nation still makes no sense. The most sense that could make if it was implimented at a time when an invader had roughly double your military strength (the origin of the phrase), but even that is stretching it since you're not Switzerland responding to German threats. The quote has nothing to do with neutrality.

It's like purp and his bloody helmet spikes, ever thought that I may be working on my nation's history and traditions/ceremonial bullshit that may have come from that?
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:27 am

Yukonastan wrote:
Sevvania wrote:This is hnng.

I was under the impression that "shoot twice and go home" was related to a display of token resistance, rather than some sort of rite of passage.

Hey, IC nation development. I can take the display of token resistance and turn it into a ceremonial affair, no?



Fordorsia wrote:
Taking a quote from someone's response to threats of invasion and turning it into a tradition within your own nation still makes no sense. The most sense that could make if it was implimented at a time when an invader had roughly double your military strength (the origin of the phrase), but even that is stretching it since you're not Switzerland responding to German threats. The quote has nothing to do with neutrality.

It's like purp and his bloody helmet spikes, ever thought that I may be working on my nation's history and traditions/ceremonial bullshit that may have come from that?

I drench everything in period blood. Do what you want. Don't let the man keep you down.
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Postby Puzikas » Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:31 am

Spreewerke wrote:
The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:I think it'd look better without the AK takedown button and funky stock. That may just be me though.


I made this one before the collapsing one:
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Also, here's the blowback version:

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Everyone go home. Threads over.
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Postby Fordorsia » Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:31 am

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Yukonastan wrote:Hey, IC nation development. I can take the display of token resistance and turn it into a ceremonial affair, no?




It's like purp and his bloody helmet spikes, ever thought that I may be working on my nation's history and traditions/ceremonial bullshit that may have come from that?

I drench everything in period blood. Do what you want. Don't let the man keep you down.


At least that makes sense given the (weird as fuck) origin. Intepreting an exchange between other countries as "we now shoot twice to symbolize...something" doesn't really.

Puzikas wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:
I made this one before the collapsing one:
Image


Also, here's the blowback version:

Image


Everyone go home. Threads over.


But we haven't posted enough swords yet
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Crookfur wrote:Speak for yourself, Crookfur infantry enjoy the sheer uber high speed low drag operator nature of their tactical woad

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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:33 am

Fordorsia wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:I drench everything in period blood. Do what you want. Don't let the man keep you down.


At least that makes sense given the (weird as fuck) origin. Intepreting an exchange between other countries as "we now shoot twice to symbolize...something" doesn't really.

I'd have done it with or without a reason, just because I like the idea.
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Postby Fordorsia » Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:34 am

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Fordorsia wrote:
At least that makes sense given the (weird as fuck) origin. Intepreting an exchange between other countries as "we now shoot twice to symbolize...something" doesn't really.

I'd have done it with or without a reason, just because I like the idea.


But you did have a reason, because you're a disgusting perverted blood fetishist
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Woke up in bitches and enemy combatants.

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Spreewerke wrote:One of our employees ate a raw kidney and a raw liver and the only powers he gained was the ability to summon a massive hospital bill.

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Postby Yukonastan » Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:36 am

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Yukonastan wrote:Hey, IC nation development. I can take the display of token resistance and turn it into a ceremonial affair, no?




It's like purp and his bloody helmet spikes, ever thought that I may be working on my nation's history and traditions/ceremonial bullshit that may have come from that?

I drench everything in period blood. Do what you want. Don't let the man keep you down.

Thanks for the moral support. *tears up*



Fordorsia wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:I drench everything in period blood. Do what you want. Don't let the man keep you down.


At least that makes sense given the (weird as fuck) origin. Intepreting an exchange between other countries as "we now shoot twice to symbolize...something" doesn't really.

I developed it some more, by the way. Both rounds will be incendiary tracer rounds fired at a Fordorsian flag.

But seriously, as I said, I'm working on the fucking history of Y'stan. Remember the Great Patriotic War, or WWII, or whatever you want to call it? Remember how Finland was very hard on the Russians during a portion of that called the Winter War? And the one called the Continuation War, as well as the Lapland War?

Remember how Y'stan is Finland and Sweden mixed with my dark and fucked up imagination?
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:39 am

Fordorsia wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:I'd have done it with or without a reason, just because I like the idea.


But you did have a reason, because you're a disgusting perverted blood fetishist

It's not my fault I'm fascinated by the writhing formless communion.
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Postby EsToVnIa » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:00 pm

L86s were used as both LSWs and DMRs, right?
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Postby Spreewerke » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:03 pm

Estovnia wrote:L86s were used as both LSWs and DMRs, right?



Anything can be a DMR with a large enough magazine and one of them there fancy scope optics.

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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:03 pm

Estovnia wrote:L86s were used as both LSWs and DMRs, right?

Yes.
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:04 pm

I am under the impression that they were initially meant to function as LSWs, but ended up being used more as DMRs. So. . . yes I guess.
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Postby EsToVnIa » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:04 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Estovnia wrote:L86s were used as both LSWs and DMRs, right?

Yes.


Even though it's in 5.56 NATO????
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:05 pm

Estovnia wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Yes.


Even though it's in 5.56 NATO????

Well I never said it made a good DMR.
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Postby Yukonastan » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:15 pm

Estovnia wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Yes.


Even though it's in 5.56 NATO????


Does the cartridge matter? A DMR is most often a straight derivative of one's service rifle, oftentimes firing the same ammunition as it, or it may fire a full-power cartridge currently in use for an MMG. Although at that point you're on the fuzzy line between DMRs and dedicated sniper rifles.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Wed Jun 10, 2015 12:16 pm

Yukonastan wrote:
Estovnia wrote:
Even though it's in 5.56 NATO????


Does the cartridge matter? A DMR is most often a straight derivative of one's service rifle, oftentimes firing the same ammunition as it, or it may fire a full-power cartridge currently in use for an MMG. Although at that point you're on the fuzzy line between DMRs and dedicated sniper rifles.

But muh 800m effective range.
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