Infantry Discussion Thread, Pattern 7: Sword Edition.

[Aqizithiuda]

>6x49mm

Boo! Down with the commie barrel burner, up with the 6x45mm cartridge of freedom!

[Ravincastle]

Reason #285 why I learned 3d modelling instead.
On the same subject, found case and bullet measurements for ye olde 6.5x57mm Federov, so I modeled it.
Question is, would the 6.5mm be a good replacement for 7.62mmR? I do know that using opens up the frankly awesome potential of the Avtomat Federov.

No it wouldn't be, mostly because pressure, ballistic coefficients, and other things. 7.62x54mmR was superior in every regard tbh, at least in the GPMG and rifle role.

Unless ofc you don't actually mean Federovs 6.5 cartridge and instead mean 6.5 Arasaka, in which case it's still no, but 6.5 Nipaneeae was a precursor to assault rifles as we know them today.

6x49mm would be a better replacement.

I would think that 6.5×55mm Swedish would suit a GPMG if you want something old. But yeah the 6x49mm Unified round seems like it could have been a winner though I wonder about barrel wear.

[Fordorsia]

Better finish that reference of the regulars Puz. It's been long enough you lazy fuck.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Anybody who doesn't vote prem is out of the band.

[Fordorsia]

Anybody who doesn't vote prem is out of the band.

Get a room

[Puzikas]

The modern 6.5x55mm skarp patron m/94 prickskytte m/41 is very different than the original 6.5×55mm skarp patron m/94 projektil m/94 though, while Federovs 6.5F round and the Niponeese 6.5 were...well they were contemporaries.

>6x49mm

Boo! Down with the commie barrel burner, up with the 6x45mm cartridge of freedom!

Boo yourself, mity gigantic boom will make your rounds fall from the sky.

Anybody who doesn't vote prem is out of the band.

Aye fuk u m8 u can't play without mi accordion.

Better finish that reference of the regulars Puz. It's been long enough you lazy fuck.

Aye fuk u m8 u can't take mi away from mi accordion.

[Fordorsia]

Aye fuk u m8 u can't take mi away from mi accordion.

I burn your accordion on Capitalist American barbeque

[Ravincastle]

The modern 6.5x55mm skarp patron m/94 prickskytte m/41 is very different than the original 6.5×55mm skarp patron m/94 projektil m/94 though, while Federovs 6.5F round and the Niponeese 6.5 were...well they were contemporaries.

Wow, I did not know it took till the 40s for the Swedes to get a pointy bullet...

[EsToVnIa]

bork bork bork bork

hi im puz ik swedish bc when ww3 broke out we were going 2 go surrender 2 them rip

edit: rly thanks to .276 pedersen anything is possible. best cartridge ever 5/10

[Puzikas]

bork bork bork bork

Nagging

Stay mad <3

I think you mean 7/7.62

[Eisarn-Ara]

>6x49mm

Boo! Down with the commie barrel burner, up with the 6x45mm cartridge of freedom!

https://i.gyazo.com/b1a09c83c36c0f2df5b23d0307f7e668.png

HAH! 6.4x31mm Euric (to the left) & 6x35mm Aírmanareiks (to the right) demand an audience with the freedom bringer.

[Aqizithiuda]

>6x49mm

Boo! Down with the commie barrel burner, up with the 6x45mm cartridge of freedom!

https://i.gyazo.com/b1a09c83c36c0f2df5b23d0307f7e668.png

HAH! 6.4x31mm Euric (to the left) & 6x35mm Aírmanareiks (to the right) demand an audience with the freedom bringer.

Freedom had better watch out it doesn't get sacrificed to Mercury.

[Schwere Panzer Abieltung 502]

Thoughts on the smart gun from Aliens?

I'm thinking the biggest drawback is that the thing seems awful hard to use when not standing. Nowhere in any fiction is the gun depicted with a tripod or bipod mount. The rear handle is even in line with the rest of the gun - fine if you're standing up, but not fine if you are trying to fire from a fixed position.

I don't think it would be very hard to change this(ditch the harness, give it a pistol grip, and slap on a bipod) but other than that, anyone have any criticisms of it?

I know Land Warrior experimented with the idea of having a camera on your gun for firing around corners and stuff. Hell, Cornershot does just that - although it used pistols.

If you were to hand wave the weight issue of things like bigger machine guns - presumably, in the future they may find a way to make steel even stronger and lighter, I mean we've been doing that since we discovered metals. If you were to figure that out, and do something about the high recoil, could you be able to make a handheld heavy machine gun?

[Eisarn-Ara]

Found something unusual, unnatural and obscenely strange on IAA.



Oh Anses, why...........

[Orussia]

Found something unusual, unnatural and obscenely strange on IAA.

(Image)

Oh Anses, why...........

>inb4 /x/

That's some seriously spoopy design work, though.

[Spirit of Hope]

Thoughts on the smart gun from Aliens?

I'm thinking the biggest drawback is that the thing seems awful hard to use when not standing. Nowhere in any fiction is the gun depicted with a tripod or bipod mount. The rear handle is even in line with the rest of the gun - fine if you're standing up, but not fine if you are trying to fire from a fixed position.

I don't think it would be very hard to change this(ditch the harness, give it a pistol grip, and slap on a bipod) but other than that, anyone have any criticisms of it?

I know Land Warrior experimented with the idea of having a camera on your gun for firing around corners and stuff. Hell, Cornershot does just that - although it used pistols.

If you were to hand wave the weight issue of things like bigger machine guns - presumably, in the future they may find a way to make steel even stronger and lighter, I mean we've been doing that since we discovered metals. If you were to figure that out, and do something about the high recoil, could you be able to make a handheld heavy machine gun?

I think the technology changes that would make a heavy weapon man portable it becomes a MMG or something similar and the new heavy weapon is the weapon that weighs enough that it needs multiple people and/or vehicles to be used effectively.

Plus any technologies that improve a troopers ability to carry heavier weapons are probably also going to improve the armor that trooper is carrying.

[Eisarn-Ara]

Found something unusual, unnatural and obscenely strange on IAA.

(Image)

Oh Anses, why...........

>inb4 /x/

That's some seriously spoopy design work, though.

Thankfully, it never left the drawing-board and cartridge-prototype stage.

[Crookfur]

Thoughts on the smart gun from Aliens?

I'm thinking the biggest drawback is that the thing seems awful hard to use when not standing. Nowhere in any fiction is the gun depicted with a tripod or bipod mount. The rear handle is even in line with the rest of the gun - fine if you're standing up, but not fine if you are trying to fire from a fixed position.

I don't think it would be very hard to change this(ditch the harness, give it a pistol grip, and slap on a bipod) but other than that, anyone have any criticisms of it?

I know Land Warrior experimented with the idea of having a camera on your gun for firing around corners and stuff. Hell, Cornershot does just that - although it used pistols.

If you were to hand wave the weight issue of things like bigger machine guns - presumably, in the future they may find a way to make steel even stronger and lighter, I mean we've been doing that since we discovered metals. If you were to figure that out, and do something about the high recoil, could you be able to make a handheld heavy machine gun?

The colonial marines technical manual illustrates a couple of non standing positions for the smart gun. For kneeling the rear goes over your shoulder and for prone you lie on your back and fire between you feet. These work as the actual main trigger is on the forward "chainsaw grip).
Mount's for smart guns do exist in universe that's pretty much what the sentry guns are.

[The Kievan People]

I don't think it would be very hard to change this(ditch the harness, give it a pistol grip, and slap on a bipod) but other than that, anyone have any criticisms of it?

The harness is really all there is. Without that it's just an MG and there is nothing in particular to say about it.

If you were to hand wave the weight issue of things like bigger machine guns - presumably, in the future they may find a way to make steel even stronger and lighter, I mean we've been doing that since we discovered metals. If you were to figure that out, and do something about the high recoil, could you be able to make a handheld heavy machine gun?

Weight is not the issue. It is entirely possible to make HMGs light enough to carry.

It's firing it that is the problem.

[Ravincastle]

Talking about HMG light enough to carry, why were the Russian and Chinese able to come up with lightweight 12.7mm machineguns that shot at a normal rate but the Americans were not? Though I don't know if the Chinese use the W85.

[Laritaia]

Talking about HMG light enough to carry, why were the Russian and Chinese able to come up with lightweight 12.7mm machineguns that shot at a normal rate but the Americans were not? Though I don't know if the Chinese use the W85.

Both the Kord and W85 are modern designs using gas operated actions, the M2 is esentially an upscaled 1920s .30cal mg that uses a short recoil action.
The most recent US attempt at a lightweight .50 the XM806 actually only weighed about two thirds as much as the Kord.

[Ravincastle]

Talking about HMG light enough to carry, why were the Russian and Chinese able to come up with lightweight 12.7mm machineguns that shot at a normal rate but the Americans were not? Though I don't know if the Chinese use the W85.

Both the Kord and W85 are modern designs using gas operated actions, the M2 is esentially an upscaled 1920s .30cal mg that uses a short recoil action.
The most recent US attempt at a lightweight .50 the XM806 actually only weighed about two thirds as much as the Kord.

So the answer would be a simple: The US tried to do too much for current technology. If they just had 5 more kg they could have had a new HMG?

[Gallia-]

Both the Kord and W85 are modern designs using gas operated actions, the M2 is esentially an upscaled 1920s .30cal mg that uses a short recoil action.
The most recent US attempt at a lightweight .50 the XM806 actually only weighed about two thirds as much as the Kord.

So the answer would be a simple: The US tried to do too much for current technology. If they just had 5 more kg they could have had a new HMG?

Not at all.

"Current technology" wrt firearms has generally stopped since the 1950s. LWMG was killed because of post-Bellum budget snipping, not any technical reasons. Establishing the supply chain for manufacture and providing enough M806s to replace M2 would have been pretty expensive. More than just putting in some minor modifications to M2 that can be done by unit level armourers like a QCB bracket and a flash hider.

[Ravincastle]

But what about the low rate of fire, was that just an excuse to cancel the program?

[Dostanuot Loj]

Thoughts on the smart gun from Aliens?

I'm thinking the biggest drawback is that the thing seems awful hard to use when not standing. Nowhere in any fiction is the gun depicted with a tripod or bipod mount. The rear handle is even in line with the rest of the gun - fine if you're standing up, but not fine if you are trying to fire from a fixed position.

I don't think it would be very hard to change this(ditch the harness, give it a pistol grip, and slap on a bipod) but other than that, anyone have any criticisms of it?

I know Land Warrior experimented with the idea of having a camera on your gun for firing around corners and stuff. Hell, Cornershot does just that - although it used pistols.

If you were to hand wave the weight issue of things like bigger machine guns - presumably, in the future they may find a way to make steel even stronger and lighter, I mean we've been doing that since we discovered metals. If you were to figure that out, and do something about the high recoil, could you be able to make a handheld heavy machine gun?

Bipod and tripod mounts exist for the smartgun though.
Here are pictures.

Bipod mount, prone position:


Tripod mount: