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Infantry Discussion Thread, Pattern 7: Sword Edition.

A place to put national factbooks, embassy exchanges, and other information regarding the nations of the world. [In character]

Who Will be the OP of the next Infantry Thread?

Roski
2
3%
Prem (Estovnia)
7
10%
Puzikas
23
34%
Korva
12
18%
Eisarn-Ara
7
10%
Immoren
8
12%
Nirvash Type TheEND
8
12%
 
Total votes : 67

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Puzikas
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Left-Leaning College State

Infantry Discussion Thread, Pattern 7: Sword Edition.

Postby Puzikas » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:50 pm

Welcome to the Infantry in your Nation thread! A continuation of the Main Military Weapons thread series.

Unlike the previous series, this thread Is for the discussion of of your national military small arms, body armor, uniforms, communications gear, other general equipment, tactics or histories. All tech levels are welcome, but please understand that this thread tends to be geared towards past, modern, and postmodern tech, so designs operating on unexplained basis or pseudo-science are bound to be criticized from a realistic perspective. If having your designs evaluated for a realistic perspective does not appeal to you, it is advisable you do not post here. There is nothing wrong with future tech, fantasy tech, or any other non-modern technology based nation posting a design, and you are welcome to post here, but be prepared for the inevitable "That won't work because..." post. These are not meant to offend you, they are meant to teach you. If you do not require enlightenment, simply leave it alone.

If you do post a design here, you agree that it will likely be criticized by the denizens of this thread. You are under no obligation to change the design based on this criticism, but continuing to argue in the face of facts will not bode well for you. Further, if you are unsure as to a design element, ask. If someone asks and you do not know the answer, don't respond. Speak on subjects you know, don't attempt to bullshit. Finally, there are plenty of people in this thread, both new and old, who have knowledge regarding a vast array of military technologies, try to learn from them. Dispute if you will, but be prepared to use facts to back up your claims.

"Because it's magic" "I'm FT and therefore modern rules dont apply to me" and "because I say so" are not valid arguments. Posters, if a player makes aid argument, drop it. These and other non-answers demonstrate that the poster has no desire to learn, therefore, you can not teach.

Please avoid excessive posting of vehicles, regardless of their effect on infantry deployment, this is an infantry thread first and foremost, we have vehicle and aircraft threads for those. That said, discussion of various Armored Personnel Carriers, Infantry Fighting Vehicles ect. is permitted within limit.


The Rules

~ Originally by Risen Britannia, modified by Transnapastain and again by Aqizithiuda, and again by Puzikas.

1: Read the OP. As you can probably guess from the title this thread has been around a while, the OP contains all allot some of the knowledge gained from previous iterations.

2: By posting you are accepting that they WILL be criticized, however it is up to you whether you listen (though you aren't going to make friends if you don't).

3: If you do offer criticism, make sure it's constructive, and don't assume that the person you're criticising knows what's wrong. "That won't work", "That's completely wrong" "What the hell is that abomination" and similar comments aren't helpful or constructive. Tell people why whatever is being designed won't work, especially if they ask you to explain. Saying "lul, an idiot can see why that won't work" or "because *insert obscure hint that only helps if the person you're talking to has the exact same set of knowledge as you do*" and similar things will only lead to flame wars, trolling and people getting banned. Don't be a dick.

4: Be civil, site rules still apply. Due to past incidents we have Mods (Transnapastain) who is a regular here.

5: Whilst not encouraged off topic posts are allowed to an extent, EG you wont get a warning if you post a jet or tank etc... Just remember this thread is for infantry equipment, including but not limited to small arms, armor and uniforms.

6: While the F&NI sub forum is in-character, most posts in technology discussions threads are OOC in nature. IC statements can be made but are not the norm and may not be read as in character.

7: Excepting page topping "gun porn", or "infantry porn", large images will be placed in spoilers. "Large" will be determined by moderation. If you are asked to place images in spoilers, please do so.

8: Be extra nice to Transnapastain

9: No feeding the trolls

10: Respect is earned, and your post probably isn't as funny as you think it is.

11. Dont talk about 5.45x39mm SKSs.

12. Do not fill up the thread by constantly posting the same thing over and over again. If you have a problem with another player, please place them on your ignore list.

13. Swords are a must. If one page goes by without discussing your nations stabby-bits, you are not mature enough to handle this thread.

GOLDEN RULE
Do not talk about politics, we don''t care if you were just replying to someone, don't do it!


The Arsenal of Knowledge:
Information on the "AK-47" and family courtesy of Spreewerke
more "AK-47" infromation from Spreewerke
Information on Russian Body armor From Puzikas
Basic Submachine Gun Overview
An Explanation of Bullets and their Wounding Effects, by Puzikas
4.6x30 H&K, 5.7x28mm FN, and 9x19, by Puzikas
Bullet Design Calculator
(Please Note: meplat diameter should be, at minimum 0.15 times the diameter of the projectile, the boat tail angle should be not less than 7 degrees, the length of the projectile should not exceed 6 times the diameter of the projectile, there should be at least 5mm of body between the end of the ogive and the start of the boat tail, 10.4 is the specific gravity for FMJ projectiles not the default 11.4, M43 style steel core projectiles have a SG of 8.3, DBP10 steel cored rounds with an air pocket have a SG of 8.5, copper bullets have a SG of 8.9, steel cored lead free projectiles have a SG of 8.2, 7N6 style projectiles have a SG of 7.6, lead core projectiles with a large airgrap have a SG of 9.1, and M855 style steel tipped projectiles have a SG of 9.4)
Internal Ballistics Calculator
External Ballistics Calculator
Custom MilTech Oriented Search Engine from the NSDraftroom
DTIC.mil Search Engine
Introduction to Magazines and Clips - Design, History, and Function
Operator Hotline
A composite List of modern Military Projectiles and Ammunitions, by Puzikas and Aqizithiuda. Includes 100 different projectiles ranging from a .17HMR FMJ to 14.5x114mm, the list covers 44 different named ammunition loads, with 37 rifle and 7 pistol rounds. Entries highlighted in Green represent military loads used in, in use, or with potential application in military settings. Areas highlighted in Blue are estimated figures for lack of concrete data or conflicting sources.

Most of all, have a good time.
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Usually waiting for Puz ;-;

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Nirvash Type TheEND
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:50 pm

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Unreachable.

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Husseinarti
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Postby Husseinarti » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:51 pm

the better question.

Where are the swords?
Bash the fash, neopup the neo-cons, crotale the commies, and super entendard socialists

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Nirvash Type TheEND
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:51 pm

[redacted]
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Unreachable.


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EsToVnIa
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Postby EsToVnIa » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:51 pm

where are the swords
Most Heavenly State/Khamgiin Tengerleg Uls

Weeaboo Gassing Land wrote:Also, rev up the gas chambers.

The United States of North Amerigo wrote:CUNT

12:02:02 AM <Tarsas> premislyd is my spirit animal tbh

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Vancon
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Postby Vancon » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:52 pm

We're in a better place now.

*looks at title*

...

Shit.
Mike the Progressive wrote:You know I don't say this often, but this guy... he gets it. Like everything. As in he gets life.

Imperializt Russia wrote:
The balkens wrote:Please tell me that condoms and Hazelnut spread are NOT on the same table.

Well what the fuck do you use for lube?

Krazakistan wrote:How have you not died after being exposed to that much shit on a monthly basis?
Rupudska wrote:I avoid NSG like one would avoid ISIS-occupied Syria.
Alimeria- wrote:I'll go to sleep when I want to, not when some cheese-eating surrender monkey tells me to.

Which just so happens to be within the next half-hour

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Aqizithiuda
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:52 pm

Nationstatelandsville wrote:I liked the prostitute - never quote me on that.


Puzikas wrote:This is beyond condom on toes. This is full on Bra-on-balls.


Puzikas wrote:Im not cheep-You can quote me on that.


Hellraiser-Army wrote:and clearly I am surrounded by idiots who never looked at a blueprint before...


Live fire is not an effective means of communication.

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EsToVnIa
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Postby EsToVnIa » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:53 pm

Korva wrote:here one

--[-------


not falcata or rapier 0/10 like u don't even try/10
Most Heavenly State/Khamgiin Tengerleg Uls

Weeaboo Gassing Land wrote:Also, rev up the gas chambers.

The United States of North Amerigo wrote:CUNT

12:02:02 AM <Tarsas> premislyd is my spirit animal tbh

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Vancon
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Postby Vancon » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:53 pm

Korva wrote:here one

--[-------

Mine better.

--(=======>
Mike the Progressive wrote:You know I don't say this often, but this guy... he gets it. Like everything. As in he gets life.

Imperializt Russia wrote:
The balkens wrote:Please tell me that condoms and Hazelnut spread are NOT on the same table.

Well what the fuck do you use for lube?

Krazakistan wrote:How have you not died after being exposed to that much shit on a monthly basis?
Rupudska wrote:I avoid NSG like one would avoid ISIS-occupied Syria.
Alimeria- wrote:I'll go to sleep when I want to, not when some cheese-eating surrender monkey tells me to.

Which just so happens to be within the next half-hour

Shyluz wrote:Van, Sci-fi Generallisimo


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Gawdzendia
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Postby Gawdzendia » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:55 pm

Image

Gawdzendian Anti-Armour Launcher 5A1
85mm HEAT Warhead Standard*

*To answer Yuko's question
NATIONSTATES STATS USED IN THEIR ENTIRETY
GOVERNANCE: Chamber of Estates / Presidential Council
GOVERNMENT: Citizen Republic
President: Alexander Christensen

CAPITAL: Adonia City
OFFICIAL LANGUAGES: German, French, English
CURRENCY: Gawdzendian Dollar (GZD)

GENERAL AWARENESS & WEAPON DEPLOYMENT CONDITION
1 - PEACETIME
2 - HEIGHTENED AWARENESS
3 - EARLY MOBILIZATION
4 - MOBILIZATION
5 - SYMMETRICAL WARFARE
6 - NUCLEAR WARFARE
| <<~~ About Gawdzendia ~~>> |
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The Republic of Lanos
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:55 pm

Gawdzendia wrote:([url=http://i.imgur.com/HiWsvmk.png]Image)[/url]

Gawdzendian Anti-Armour Launcher 5A1
85mm HEAT Warhead Standard*

*To answer Yuko's question

Why not later issue a 120mm dual-tandem HEAT warhead to engage MBTs?

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Imperializt Russia
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:56 pm

Samozniy forces make extensive use of two rifle families.
The AV-97 Doberman Battle Rifle:
Image
Mod 3 (AV-97M3) family pictured.
Carbine 14.5", rifle 21", marksman, shotgun, automatic rifle (MAR, Medium Automatic Rifle) variants (latter three all 25.5" barrel).

Also the highly modular Pitbull rifle family:
Image
With 6.5", 10", 12.5", 14.5" barrels available with a DI mechanism and 16" short-stroke barrel in strengthened receiver and 18" short-stroke HBAR in strengthened receiver.
Modular magwell for accepting multiple cartridges.
Warning! This poster has:
PT puppet of the People's Republic of Samozaryadnyastan.

Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Also,
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Alimeria-
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Postby Alimeria- » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:56 pm

I maintain it fits because we issue sword bayonets

Image Green Norse-based tunic, Stahlhelm/pickelhaube/roman helmet hybrid, WWI German Machine Gunner's armor, belt with pouches and sword bayonet and stuff, and boots based on hunting boots


Image Snikmorder Líkan 1915, 8.5x63mm

Image Sigrún Shipkiller, Undecided Caliber

Image Stígander Vélkarabin and Vélgevär, 8.5x63

Image Sigrún-Björnsson Þungur Vélgevär

Image Arnbjörg Líkan 1912, Undecided 11mm cartridge
Steampunk Norsemen using bullpup rifles ftw


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The balkens
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Postby The balkens » Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:56 pm

tag.

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Postby Ulfr-Reich » Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:01 pm

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RIP Rhoderberg
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May your spirit live on in FALhalla.


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Gawdzendia
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Postby Gawdzendia » Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:01 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
Gawdzendia wrote:([url=http://i.imgur.com/HiWsvmk.png]Image)[/url]

Gawdzendian Anti-Armour Launcher 5A1
85mm HEAT Warhead Standard*

*To answer Yuko's question

Why not later issue a 120mm dual-tandem HEAT warhead to engage MBTs?

Key word later, oh wise Lanos.
The basic 'meh' rocket is 85mm, the larger build-a-rocket™ system will incorporate a bunch of ridiculous warheads that jut out the business end.
NATIONSTATES STATS USED IN THEIR ENTIRETY
GOVERNANCE: Chamber of Estates / Presidential Council
GOVERNMENT: Citizen Republic
President: Alexander Christensen

CAPITAL: Adonia City
OFFICIAL LANGUAGES: German, French, English
CURRENCY: Gawdzendian Dollar (GZD)

GENERAL AWARENESS & WEAPON DEPLOYMENT CONDITION
1 - PEACETIME
2 - HEIGHTENED AWARENESS
3 - EARLY MOBILIZATION
4 - MOBILIZATION
5 - SYMMETRICAL WARFARE
6 - NUCLEAR WARFARE
| <<~~ About Gawdzendia ~~>> |
Canadian

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Imperializt Russia
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:06 pm

Korva wrote:any relation to the musician?

Nope. My assault rifles are just named after dogs.

If I ever design another, it'll confusingly be named "Malamute" or something.
Warning! This poster has:
PT puppet of the People's Republic of Samozaryadnyastan.

Lamadia wrote:dangerous socialist attitude
Also,
Imperializt Russia wrote:I'm English, you tit.

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The Great Nation of Dan
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Postby The Great Nation of Dan » Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:07 pm

Pistol caliber machine gun to be made....
Made worst post on the IDT: +20 points
http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=343502&p=25031584#p25031584


I'm also trying to become a founder of a real life nation:
gofundme.com/yx78x3u

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EsToVnIa
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Postby EsToVnIa » Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:08 pm

Korva wrote:Korvan infantry don't use swords but they occasionally put phallic stuff in their mouths like bananas, kebabs, cigarettes, and baguettes.

bonus jack shack pin up
(Image)


finally somebody to combat the sieuxerrian menace




http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Estovnian_Army

it's not sperg enough but it's still kinda sperg-y
Most Heavenly State/Khamgiin Tengerleg Uls

Weeaboo Gassing Land wrote:Also, rev up the gas chambers.

The United States of North Amerigo wrote:CUNT

12:02:02 AM <Tarsas> premislyd is my spirit animal tbh

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Excidium Planetis
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:17 pm

Alright, I consider myself an FT nation, but our infantry equipment is PMT at best, so I want an honest opinion on this:

Our infantry currently use as the standard issue rifle a select fire weapon that uses rocket ammunition (a la Gyrojet), but with a guidance system similar to DARPA's EXACTO. The primary OOC reason for this is because it makes way more sense and is more original than "handheld laser cannons GG", and the primary IC reason is the weapon has almost no recoil, making it an ideal weapon for zero gravity warfare (Suck it, Call of Duty!).

Recently, I read an informative book on Guns (that was unfortunately made in 1999, so it is out of date), and decided to try my hand at fictional weapon design (I am totally new at this, so I most assuredly did not make this as thorough as possible).

The basic idea behind the weapon is a Heckler & Koch G11 style weapon (magazine above and parallel to the barrel) but with guided micro rockets, which works because the Gyrojet-style rockets are by nature, caseless ammunition.

If I could change one thing about the Frankenstein's monster that is my graphic of the rifle, it would be the scope, which is not really what the scope looks like in my mind, but I was unable to find a scope on the internet that looked like what I wanted.
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