NS Military Realism Consultation Thread Type 08

[Inyourfaceistan]

Metro 2 is love.

But is it life?

hint, hint

*Hides from imminent Shrek attack*

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

But is it life?

hint, hint

*Hides from imminent Shrek attack*

"It is all over now."

[Imperializt Russia]

You people suck at hints.
Or maybe I suck at clues.

[Spirit of Hope]

I was assuming he didn't realise that the units are more important than tanks "1v1 me irl"ing and trying to steer him towards that idea.

Ouch.

I was thinking that having more T-90s could be more useful than having less M1s.

The problem is that the initial cost doesn't reflect the lifetime cost of the vehicle. While the T-90 might be half as expensive as the M1, it will not have half the lifetime cost. You are going to need twice as many vehicle and support crew for twice as many tanks, twice as many spares, and more fuel. The T-90 might cost less than an M1 over its lifetime, but it isn't going to be half as much.

More vehicles is in general better, but that doesn't mean that you can afford more vehicles.

[Imperializt Russia]

Of course, if we consider RL politics and one finds themselves in a position that actually allows them to pick-and-choose between the T-90 and M1 - both sides would be dropping their prices so far to court you, they'd make supermarket price wars look like a price-fixing cartel.

[Mitheldalond]

Could you make a WWII fighter with staggered firing guns? As in, the guns all fire individually in sequence instead of all at the same time?

Also, P-47 Thunderbolt with six 20mm cannons instead of eight .50 cals. Y/n?

[Imperializt Russia]

Could you make a WWII fighter with staggered firing guns? As in, the guns all fire individually in sequence instead of all at the same time?

Also, P-47 Thunderbolt with six 20mm cannons instead of eight .50 cals. Y/n?

Why would you want to?
This would reduce your rate of fire and thus your kill probability.

Six 20mm guns seems excessive. Few fighter aircraft carried more than four 20 or 30mm guns.

[Stahn]

After being lol'd at quite logically by TBN, I've reimagined my illogical submarine carrier.

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Still obviously a WIP, but better.
Now it's going to be bit more "boatlike" in the bow, like old submarines, for increased longitudinal stability. It's also going to be considerably smaller, carrying no more than 18 aircraft, whereas the other design I had going could have easily carried twice that much.

This one is going to be wide. At 790 feet in length, already massive, it's also 140 feet in width, to help increase stability. By comparison, a scaled up Typhoon-class would be 103 feet in width.

Depicted I also have the shrouded propulsor I intend to use, or at least, the approximate size of it.

I've also elected for a STOBAR design. The CATOBAR of the previous simply seemed to complicate things and, with a smaller huller, will only take up needed space.
There will be two STOBAR flight lines, in parallel with the hull of the ship, allowing for both landing and take-off - or, for the purpose of this carrier, two landings or two launches at the same time, since it's meant to be a strike carrier.
More of my thoughts and logic on the issue.

Have you abandoned your amphibious assault sub?

[Ziegenhain]

infantry is the superior weapon

infantry does everything

infantry is love, infantry is life

[Bratislavskaya]

infantry is the superior weapon

infantry does everything

infantry is love, infantry is life

Artillery disagrees.

[Inyourfaceistan]

infantry is the superior weapon

infantry does everything

infantry is love, infantry is life

Artillery disagrees.

Artillery is infantry, non?

[San-Silvacian]

infantry is the superior weapon

infantry does everything

infantry is love, infantry is life

No it isn't.

Infantry suck. They always suck, they always will suck.

[Licana]

No it isn't.

Infantry suck. They always suck, they always will suck.

Sky cancer doesn't get an opinion. :>

[Yukonastan]

artillery is infantry's best f(r)iend. 'nuff sed.

[Mitheldalond]

Why would you want to?
This would reduce your rate of fire and thus your kill probability.

Six 20mm guns seems excessive. Few fighter aircraft carried more than four 20 or 30mm guns.

6 20mm cannons each at 300rpm with staggered fire would add up to 1800 rounds per minute in a constant stream of fire and lead. It would basically turn the aircraft into a hose of death, while also not burning through all your ammo in two seconds.

True, but few single engined fighters carried eight .50 cals either.

[Yukonastan]

While on artillery and infantry:

M1A1 pack howitzer.

[Stahn]

infantry is the superior weapon

infantry does everything

infantry is love, infantry is life

No it isn't.

Infantry suck. They always suck, they always will suck.

I love this cartoon.

Artillery disagrees.
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Artillery is infantry, non?

Perhaps you are confusing infantry with ground forces. Traditionaly ground forces can be divided in 3 groups. Cavalry(mounted), artillery(ranged) and infantry (direct combat foot soldiers).

[Dragvania]

i keep running into RPers that try to pull numbers like 34k war ships or 2M aircraft. Would it be good to try to make a rule list that forces players to start with a set amount of resource units to make a starting army and then over several turns "a turn being 1 post from everyone in a cycle" increase size of their army as well as a unit cap?

I just want to see if anyone else thinks this is a good idea or simply to controlling.

[Yukonastan]

i keep running into RPers that try to pull numbers like 34k war ships or 2M aircraft. Would it be good to try to make a rule list that forces players to start with a set amount of resource units to make a starting army and then over several turns "a turn being 1 post from everyone in a cycle" increase size of their army as well as a unit cap?

I just want to see if anyone else thinks this is a good idea or simply to controlling.

Good idea, if not the best execution in my opinion. The way you pose your idea it seems like something out of an RTS (which in itself is a numberwanking game genre (zerg rushing ftw)). What I'd do instead is agree beforehand what a reasonable force for each participant is, then if they want to bring in reinforcements, they have to go through the OP. Don't give 'em a hard cap that lifts each round of posting.

[Korva]

No it isn't.

Infantry suck. They always suck, they always will suck.

Sky cancer doesn't get an opinion. :>

Just knock down their trees and make a prayer to Garbad.

[Auroya]

I had a go at calculating APFSDS penetration for my Not!Rooikat. Assuming its 90mm gun could be made to throw ammunition at 1,700m/s, and that the projectile was 700mm long with a diameter of 2.5cm, and that it had a terminal velocity of 1,400m/s, I got ~540mm RHA penetration at 4000m.

Does that seem vaguely reasonable or did I do something really wrong?

[Inyourfaceistan]

artillery is infantry's best f(r)iend. 'nuff sed.

AA/AD is infantry's best friend.

Artillery units cant protect you from pesky aircraft and enemy missiles.

[San-Silvacian]

artillery is infantry's best f(r)iend. 'nuff sed.

AA/AD is infantry's best friend.

Artillery units cant protect you from pesky aircraft and enemy missiles.

wow this is so true artillery are a bunch of dumb losers wow why do modern armies even mess with artillery anymore they should just invest in air defense stuff

[Yukonastan]

AA/AD is infantry's best friend.

Artillery units cant protect you from pesky aircraft and enemy missiles.

wow this is so true artillery are a bunch of dumb losers wow why do modern armies even mess with artillery anymore they should just invest in air defense stuff

best of both: air defense artillery

dumb losers 'cause arty, dumb losers for shooting aircraft with fukhueg cannons.

[Eldslandet]

I had a go at calculating APFSDS penetration for my Not!Rooikat. Assuming its 90mm gun could be made to throw ammunition at 1,700m/s, and that the projectile was 700mm long with a diameter of 2.5cm, and that it had a terminal velocity of 1,400m/s, I got ~540mm RHA penetration at 4000m.

Does that seem vaguely reasonable or did I do something really wrong?

Compare it to other 90mm ammo http://www.steelbeasts.com/sbwiki/index ... tion_Data#
Its achieve able but there are two problems that could emerge. The penetrator could shatter on impact and at high velocity HE rounds become less effective.