NS Military Realism Consultation Thread Type 08

[New Korongo]

Western navies have been using hovercraft because they allow higher speeds and the ability to deliver vehicles and troops along more coastline. Makes the landing more flexible which means more survivable.

Modern amphibious operations, particularly on part of the US, are no longer just sea-land; they are sea-land-air. Or, in case of the US, more along the lines of air-sea-air-land-air. Air attack to clear hostiles, transport from sea to land by helicopters and LCAC (in this order), land forces to make strips, more air transport.

The idea of actually slugging it out during the landing has largely been deprecated.

Hovercraft cannot completely replace landing ships due to payload and cost restrictions. Hovercraft and helicopters would probably be used to secure the initial beachead so that conventional landing ships could offload in relative safety.

I think I will abandon the use of tank landing ships alongside larger amphibious assault ships, though the ships themselves will still serve with reserve naval units. Vehicles will be delivered to the shore on landing craft or hovercraft. If there is a pressing need to deploy the entire marine force onto land in a period of time shorter than what can be accomplished with landing craft, I will probably use something like the INLS once the initial beachhead is secure.

On a slightly different note, how does this division look? It is primarily equipped with tanks and tracked infantry fighting vehicles. I understand that the composition of a division can vary substantially due to a number of factors, but I don't know whether the structure I have created is plausible. My main concern is that each brigade may have too many battalions. I also don't know if signals, electronic warfare, and intelligence units would appear at the level which this diagram depicts. I apologise in advance if any of the unit symbols are wrong, I do not have much experience APP-6A symbols.

[Questers]

I'm going to get drunk and write a guide to making TOEs.

[Questers]

I think he is saying you can avoid being purged if you are a good enough officer. Makes some kind of sense, you don't want to eliminate your armies fighting potential just because some officers disagree with you.

That is basically it.

[Imperializt Russia]

I'm going to get drunk and write a guide to making TOEs.

I eagerly await your vodka/gin-fuelled sperg.

[Questers]

Implying I drink vodka. Vodka is a continental drink. I am a son of the British Commonwealth.

[Imperializt Russia]

I will start a British vodka firm.

The Commonwealth was built on stealing other country's things and claiming them as our own.

[Questers]

Rum is the acceptable non-British spirit. Our forefathers took their rum ration while exterminating nazis.

[Immoren]

(Image)

THat's sure is a big and stange looking machine gun.

[Dostanuot Loj]

I very much like it! Outside the box for conventional NS thinking, and I always love to see that.
Will you be considering a selection of high mobility units based around just volunteers for rapid reaction? With the speed of mobilization you could achieve, or even better skipping reserve mobilization if you absolutely had to, you would not need many rapid reaction forces to maintain a significant capability. So costs in both capital and manpower would be kept down.

Well, volunteers are one thing. Few people will volunteer for enlisted ranks in the GSRDF.

I do have some volunteer rapid-reaction units, but they're light infantry. Republican Marine Commandos (so original) which belong to the Navy (three battalion groups), and 43 Infantry Brigade which consists solely of RVR (basically my Gurkhas) http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Rochehautese_Volunteer_Rifles

The divisions themselves are always manned by conscripts, so like it says, they are sufficiently sized to fight - but it's just the reservists who come in who build it up to a proper structure, and as you've noticed, the C3 centralisation helps bring those reservists in quickly and efficiently. But in theory the Divisions can fight without the reservists. I do not have any mechanised rapid reaction units. Perhaps that deserves amending!

If your RRF are based around light infantry, you may benefit from light armoured units to support them. You don't need much considering your ability to quickly bring divisions into play, maybe some CVRT based formations which can be attached ad-hoc to the light infantry. An independent CVRT unit built around providing the entire gamut of required CVRT vehicles from one unit would be a huge bump in capability. Operate them, when needed, almost like the VDV, except not quite.

It would be simple: A large regiment of purely armoured forces that have all the vehicles any light infantry battalion would need to become mechanized. Set up primarily as an administration unit, with the individual squadrons being parceled off to the light infantry battalions as needed. That would allow you to deploy a battalion on its own with supporting arms*, or you can structure it around larger units. When you need to deploy these forces, you simply make the infantry battalion HQ the HQ for your new ad-hoc battle group with its supporting arms. Keep everything light and simple, and your mobility goes way up. Or, if you don't need some or all of the components, they don't get attached. If you do find out you need them later on you send them, if you find out you don't need them later on you take them back.

When it comes to RRF, flexibility is the key word.

* You can set up similar systems with artillery and such to make it readily available. Easy way to have some "prestige" units too.

[Dostanuot Loj]

On a slightly different note, how does this division look? It is primarily equipped with tanks and tracked infantry fighting vehicles. I understand that the composition of a division can vary substantially due to a number of factors, but I don't know whether the structure I have created is plausible. My main concern is that each brigade may have too many battalions. I also don't know if signals, electronic warfare, and intelligence units would appear at the level which this diagram depicts. I apologise in advance if any of the unit symbols are wrong, I do not have much experience APP-6A symbols.[/align]

It's entierly plausible. Your commander really only has 4-5 combat arms to worry about, so his staff can manage what you have.
You're building your unit on flexibility I guess? Each brigade is built around being self-sufficient except for a few things that are provided by divisional level (Artillery and whirlybirds), so I suppose the commanders of those brigades are the real fighting commanders of the unit with the divisional commander providing an entirely administrative/logistical role. Which means flexibility. Might have problems at larger scale fighting where maneuver formations are corps not divisions, but it's perfectly fine for real conflict.

[New Vihenia]

We know that conventional gun propellant are temperature sensitive. Where higher ambient temperature around the propellant may lead to higher chamber pressure and vice versa.

Thing i wonder however is why ? Did the propellant absorb the heat and somehow it increased the impetus or maybe flame temperature.

If known, perhaps it can help me refine the Gun calculator, as the standard equation for predicting muzzle velocity and chamber pressure i used there take no consideration of ambient temperature effect toward propellant.

[Imperializt Russia]

I thought exposure to heat caused propellant to slightly degrade or chemically alter (denature?) to become partly insensitive.

[Immoren]

Light Division

[New Vihenia]

I thought exposure to heat caused propellant to slightly degrade or chemically alter (denature?) to become partly insensitive.

Well.. the Rheinmetall 120mm gun managed to have 6300 Bar chamber pressure at 50 degrees Celcius. In 20 Degrees Celcius, it's less (5600 bar)

[Husseinarti]

ooooooooo

are we posting formations and stuff?

i can now post mine and await to see how bad they are ;-;

Armored Division

Motorized Infantry Division

Working on mechanized infantry and w/e

The artillery battalion attached to the DIVARTY are either Skan-1/2, which are just rips of the Backhandkannon. The first has an ROF of 14 with the second having an ROF of 18 rounds in 45 seconds. In its heyday they were to be used to apply a carpet of 155mm nuclear artillery shells into some cities because fuck you. Now with most of the Commies gone its kinda unpopular to to that, so we just do HE all day.

The brigade organic fires support are GCT-155s, however I'm looking into super duper Crusader charge 8 10 rpm forever gun.

[Purpelia]

I thought exposure to heat caused propellant to slightly degrade or chemically alter (denature?) to become partly insensitive.

Well.. the Rheinmetall 120mm gun managed to have 6300 Bar chamber pressure at 50 degrees Celcius. In 20 Degrees Celcius, it's less (5600 bar)

So what you are saying is that the next big thing in NS guns is going to be attaching electric heaters to gun chambers for a consistently scorching temperature?

[Doppio Giudici]

What could I realistically do to an Apache Helicopter to make it more, special and NS-worthy? Better missiles? 25mm Autocannon?

[Imperializt Russia]

What could I realistically do to an Apache Helicopter to make it more, special and NS-worthy? Better missiles? 25mm Autocannon?

Instead of Boeing, buy from AgustaWestland.

[Crookfur]

Well.. the Rheinmetall 120mm gun managed to have 6300 Bar chamber pressure at 50 degrees Celcius. In 20 Degrees Celcius, it's less (5600 bar)

So what you are saying is that the next big thing in NS guns is going to be attaching electric heaters to gun chambers for a consistently scorching temperature?

Or as some of us like to call it: ETC

[Crookfur]

What could I realistically do to an Apache Helicopter to make it more, special and NS-worthy? Better missiles? 25mm Autocannon?

There isn;t really anything, UAV integration is already there is the latest E models, there are some nice nengine updates ont eh way and any cannon replacement would bring more downsides than imporvements.

The only vague thing i could think of would be to expand the 2 way link for the UAVs to missiles along the lines of Spike NLOS.

Well thats unless you want to go all Sea Apache.

[The Akasha Colony]

What could I realistically do to an Apache Helicopter to make it more, special and NS-worthy? Better missiles? 25mm Autocannon?

A 25 mm autocannon would be a step backwards.

The likely upgrades would be along the lines the US has been implementing on its helicopters progressively for decades. Better engines, better electronics, compatibility with newer weapons. Reduce the number of parts and simplify the rotor setup. Just go look at the proposed AH-64F listed on Wikipedia for some ideas.

[Atlantica]

What could I realistically do to an Apache Helicopter to make it more, special and NS-worthy? Better missiles? 25mm Autocannon?

Well, getting this idea from the WZ-10, I think the design should be focusing a bit more to reducing radar cross-section, IR signature and maneuverability - in other words, if you are to rebuild the Apache, I suggest that you increase its survivability.

[Imperializt Russia]

What could I realistically do to an Apache Helicopter to make it more, special and NS-worthy? Better missiles? 25mm Autocannon?

Well, getting this idea from the WZ-10, I think the design should be focusing a bit more to reducing radar cross-section, IR signature and maneuverability - in other words, if you are to rebuild the Apache, I suggest that you increase its survivability.

What do you think the Longbow radar is for?

[Yukonastan]

Well, getting this idea from the WZ-10, I think the design should be focusing a bit more to reducing radar cross-section, IR signature and maneuverability - in other words, if you are to rebuild the Apache, I suggest that you increase its survivability.

What do you think the Longbow radar is for?

Identifying and classifying up to 128 targets, ordering them in order of threat, and destroying the top 16 in the space of thirty seconds.

[Doppio Giudici]

Well I kept hearing that 30mm was overkill and that 25mm could hold a lot more rounds.

Wondering if a more controllable and close-fire missile is a good fit, less blue on blue.