NS Military Realism Consultation Thread Type 08

[Spirit of Hope]

Is there any mention of PTSD in ancient warfare? Or is it more recent? I mean they did have changed control of their fate back then, no missiles and shit.

There is no mention of PTSD, there are many mentions of symptoms we would associate with PTSD. Battle rage, bad dreams, flashbacks, etc are all mentioned in historical literature, chronicles, and so on.

[United Marxist Nations]

I haven't reported anyone for saying things I don't like; I reported them for directly insulting me and griefing me for making a goddamn moderation report. What I like even less is this passive-aggressive shit that is directly referencing me with the intent to make me angry. I don't want the thread to be locked, and I don't dislike the people here. I even like Gallia; he has been very helpful in providing information. We had moved past this. I am not the topic of the fucking thread, I just want to lurk here and read stuff about interesting things without being insulted and slighted. If you want to insult me, go to an IRC or Skype message; that's what most people do, and I know people have insulted me in NS IRC's before, but it isn't here. It is out of sight, out of mind.

Given your dragging of politicking into this thread, and the fact that your actions have directly resulted in the (temporary) ban of someone these people seem to like... you shouldn't be surprised when people here voice their thinly-veiled displeasure of you.

Is there any mention of PTSD in ancient warfare? Or is it more recent? I mean they did have changed control of their fate back then, no missiles and shit.

It most certainly existed back then, however given the understanding of medicine at the time it is likely they confused it for something else, like possession or just plain insanity.

I didn't drag it in. I asked about the capacity of the Soviet Union to produce tanks because I wanted to know for both nation purposes and for a couple of RP's I am in. The whole discussion of economics and the morality of communism started without me, and I was in it for only a short period of time.

My actions didn't result in his ban, his did, and there should be no further discourse on this line of discussion.

[Yukonastan]

Everything breaks down once in a while, Armata-chan was just unlucky

I do believe you mean "The Armata's engineering crew was exceptionally drunk with their gussied up T-72". Because that looks like an absolute fucktastrophe of event & mechanical management.






Because that looks like "Armata-Chan" is getting hauled off for being a broken hunk of salvaged cold-war stuffs.

It was a "planned" stop, alright? And the Armata drove away under its own power.

[Transnapastain]

Given your dragging of politicking into this thread, and the fact that your actions have directly resulted in the (temporary) ban of someone these people seem to like... you shouldn't be surprised when people here voice their thinly-veiled displeasure of you.



It most certainly existed back then, however given the understanding of medicine at the time it is likely they confused it for something else, like possession or just plain insanity.

I didn't drag it in. I asked about the capacity of the Soviet Union to produce tanks because I wanted to know for both nation purposes and for a couple of RP's I am in. The whole discussion of economics and the morality of communism started without me, and I was in it for only a short period of time.

My actions didn't result in his ban, his did, and there should be no further discourse on this line of discussion.

Hows about you stop responding to it, everyone stops and moves the hell on?

[Vancon]

Why don't we talk about something else?

As usual, this is Padnak's fault, but we need to move on.

Is medic normal for a squad-level infantry unit?

That one country with a maple leaf has one on a squad level, last time I checked.

[Dostanuot Loj]

Is medic normal for a squad-level infantry unit?

That one country with a maple leaf has one on a squad level, last time I checked.

A combat first responder is not a medic.
Well, it is, it fills the same role and has many of the same skills but carries a gun.
But it's not a medic in the same sense that the US Army has one.

This is one of those fun differences between the Canadian and American armed forces.

[Korva]

Is medic normal for a squad-level infantry unit?

That one country with a maple leaf has one on a squad level, last time I checked.

huh?

This is a Canadian section:

Section Commander - Sergeant - C7
Rifleman - Corporal/Private - C7
Rifleman - Corporal/Private - C7/M203
C9 Gunner - Corporal/Private - C9 LMG

Section 2 i/c - Master Corporal - C7
Rifleman - Corporal/Private - C7
Rifleman - Corporal/Private - C7/M203
C9 Gunner - Corporal/Private - C9 LMG

[Vancon]

That one country with a maple leaf has one on a squad level, last time I checked.

A combat first responder is not a medic.
Well, it is, it fills the same role and has many of the same skills but carries a gun.
But it's not a medic in the same sense that the US Army has one.

This is one of those fun differences between the Canadian and American armed forces.

Yeap.

Korva, the way I had it described to me by one of my officers at cadets was that it's like this:

Rifleman (scout)
TL
Radio
Gunner
Rifleman/supply
2IC
Medic
Gunner

He could've modified it for our purposes, but regardless.

[Questers]

Repost because it got lost in kindergarten (as americans would call it...)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/870 ... DF_NMA.pdf
PDF outlines my military reforms and structure

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/870 ... vision.png
divisional template; greyed out = reserves

MBT: Challenger 2
MICV: Warrior
W-APC: Stryker
W-REC: LAV-III
T-APC: Spartan & Stormer
T-REC: Scimitar
SPH: AS-90
MRL: M270
T-ATGM: Spike NLOS, Milan 3
AA: Stormer, Rapier
Gunship: AH-64, Lynx 20-mm, TOW + CRV-7

[Questers]

Is there any precedent for wholesale importation of shipbuilding capacity? As in signing a contract not just for a series of ships but also for the facilities to build and maintain them along with the personnel to do so?

I ask because my nation borders the Caspian and has little experience in building anything larger than FACs. It is unlikely that a contract could/would be secured with any Russian or Iranian firm.

Is medic normal for a squad-level infantry unit?

Put your medics at the platoon or company level.

Yes, but not in the modern era. IIRC Japanese shipyards were built by and bought from the British and French in the early 20th C/late 19th.

[Rich and Corporations]

Is there any mention of PTSD in ancient warfare? Or is it more recent? I mean they did have changed control of their fate back then, no missiles and shit.

Of course they did. They probably had more of it, in fact. Ancient warfare consisted of going up to people and stabbing them with glorified sticks until they were dead, or your arm's tendons snapped. It wasn't until the invention of muskets that you could kil them from far enough away to to not see their jaws break open.

if one wants to maximize the squick factor, just bring up the Rape of the Sabine Women.

Game of Thrones is quite civilized.

Repost because it got lost in kindergarten (as americans would call it...)

Actually, we'd call it Detention for this specific situation.

[Schwere Panzer Abieltung 502]

Is there any mention of PTSD in ancient warfare? Or is it more recent? I mean they did have changed control of their fate back then, no missiles and shit.

Certainly PTSD is mentioned in older accounts, but it is very interesting how some cultures dealt with it. The Spartans, for example, had a word in Doric which was katalepsis(not the Stoic thing) which basically meant "the derangement of the senses that comes when terror or anger usurps dominion of the mind". This was basically another way of expressing phobos, fear, which the Spartans shunned at any cost. Being a culture dominated by warriors with a warrior mindset, it was likely that they did not have the problem of veterans committing suicide because they can't talk about their feelings like we do now; our current society is terrible with veterans returning from shitty places like the Middle East and it doesn't help that the government is more than willing to fuck people over in the name of penny-pinching(not trying to take any political sides here, don't wanna get banlocked). And as others have said, there are plenty of examples in historical accounts of people exhibiting symptoms of what we would call PTSD; in the Macedonian Wars of the Romans, the battle-hardened general Aemilius Paulus reportedly was so horrified of the sight of the nightmarish pikes at Pydna that he suffered lifelong terrors of the image. Ironic.

I'm less familiar with Middle Ages and Renaissance PTSD history but even dogs can suffer from PTSD.

[Husseinarti]

Is there any mention of PTSD in ancient warfare? Or is it more recent? I mean they did have changed control of their fate back then, no missiles and shit.

Yes.

[Inyourfaceistan]

So with all the talk of a "War with Iran"; there isn't really much Israel and Iran could do to each other in terms of a ground war, no?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither has the ability to effectively deliver large numbers of troops either by sea or by air, so wouldn't any conflict be a quick Air-Sea war?

[EsToVnIa]

You're forgetting the U.S would be in Iran before the Israelis

[Korva]

So with all the talk of a "War with Iran"; there isn't really much Israel and Iran could do to each other in terms of a ground war, no?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither has the ability to effectively deliver large numbers of troops either by sea or by air, so wouldn't any conflict be a quick Air-Sea war?

Iran and Israel have been fighting each other on the ground for over 30 years.

[Dostanuot Loj]

Repost because it got lost in kindergarten (as americans would call it...)

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/870 ... DF_NMA.pdf
PDF outlines my military reforms and structure

Is it a fair assumption after reading that the intention is to remove as much as possible great commander independence at the lower levels, centralizing things, to maintain the ability for the reservists to readily jump into the formation when needed?

It seems like an interesting solution to the dilemma of introducing reserve forces into combat when they are needed. Less flexibility in the region of the unit commander may have downsides, but you will have the ability to readily integrate reservists, which would mean your flexibility in terms of operational power would be greater.

[Forenet Skandinavien]

So, I've dine some research on both railguns and coilguns, and from what it seems, though coilguns are limited by switch times and magnetic saturation (which lead to lower average projectile speeds than railguns), they are more economically sound than railguns because railguns require constant rail maintenance (due to wear from the immense forces present under firing conditions). Theoretically, could an MT superpower have already developed naval coilguns similar to how the US Navy is developing railguns now? Coilguns are much easier to build than railguns. Also, would such weapons be plausible to use for MBTs or infantry weapons?

[The Akasha Colony]

So, I've dine some research on both railguns and coilguns, and from what it seems, though coilguns are limited by switch times and magnetic saturation (which lead to lower average projectile speeds than railguns), they are more economically sound than railguns because railguns require constant rail maintenance (due to wear from the immense forces present under firing conditions). Theoretically, could an MT superpower have already developed naval coilguns similar to how the US Navy is developing railguns now?

No. In fact, the lower projectile speeds rather defeat the point. It is not an accident or a fluke that the USN is investing in railguns and not coilguns.

Also, would such weapons be plausible to use for MBTs or infantry weapons?

No.

[Wulfenia]

Based partially on Civil War legions, I made a unit combining mechanized infantry with mobile artillery and Wiesel AWC. They're typically made up of 1,500 - 5,000 men, and are intended to perform swift breakthrough operations, provide fire support, and protect the flank for divisions.

I wasn't sure whether this has potential to be effective, or was simply unnecessary.

[Stahn]

I wouldn't use the Wiesel for breakthrough operations.

[The Akasha Colony]

Based partially on Civil War legions, I made a unit combining mechanized infantry with mobile artillery and Wiesel AWC. They're typically made up of 1,500 - 5,000 men, and are intended to perform swift breakthrough operations, provide fire support, and protect the flank for divisions.

I wasn't sure whether this has potential to be effective, or was simply unnecessary.

The Wiesel is unnecessary since presumably the IFVs the infantry are riding in can already provide plenty of weapons support. More than the Wiesel could, and with better protection to boot.

[Celibrae]

Ok, so how should I structure my military divisions?

[Imperializt Russia]

Ok, so how should I structure my military divisions?

This is a very broad question that could be asking many things.

Do you feel your country needs the Division as a standard unit size?
What does your nation have to face? Opponents, their size, their capabilities? What sort of a war do you hope to fight?

Add in the usual questions of terrain, situation etc to decide what sort of school of though you best suit (Russian or Western).

[The Akasha Colony]

Ok, so how should I structure my military divisions?

What is the role of the division within your military? There are lots of potential ways to organize them. Questers has posted a number of his divisions, and you can find lots of examples online of IRL divisions. I have a TO&E for a division as well.