NS Military Realism Consultation Thread Type 08

[United Marxist Nations]

Not even Russian, or even Soviet for that matter, so knock off the flaming.

1) The fact that you actually know what that means really says something about your opinions toward modern Russia. You will not have a good time in the military realism threads on this website if you act as a Putin* shill.

As for politics...

In the meantime, may I remind you all that this is not NSG. Please do not turn this into a prolonged discussion on politics etc, past what is needed for information on the topic at hand†. Which is military realism consultation for NS RPG use. Thanks.

2) You're not going to hide behind the moderators when you make a stupid statement. Concede or defend your argument if you plan on having any shred of respect here.

Western navies have been using hovercraft because they allow higher speeds and the ability to deliver vehicles and troops along more coastline. Makes the landing more flexible which means more survivable.

Hovercraft cannot completely replace landing ships due to payload and cost restrictions. Hovercraft and helicopters would probably be used to secure the initial beachead so that conventional landing ships could offload in relative safety.


* Please note that Putin is trying to be Teddy, but he still hasn't come close to riding a bull moose across a river without feeling the need to remove his shirt.

† Emphasis added for clarity.

1) It really doesn't. As I have Google-fu. And I quite dislike Putin; his military aid can be quite useful though, as can all powers.

2) Are you directing that at me, or at DLN? If me, then we're not going on that topic again, it has been ruled out. Sorry, but that's how it is. I don't make the rules.

EDIT: 3) And, we have threads for this.

[Inyourfaceistan]

Hovercraft cannot completely replace landing ships due to payload and cost restrictions. Hovercraft and helicopters would probably be used to secure the initial beachead so that conventional landing ships could offload in relative safety.

Now in a scenario where most of the enemy's forces are tied up several hundred kilometers away, and there is a relatively short distance between friendly port and almost entirely undefended coastline, marine landings could manage to ground significant numbers of personel and equipment before the enemy could manage to either raise up a home guard in time or pull back forces off the front line to challenge the landings, possibly?

[Vancon]

Please do not turn this into a prolonged discussion on politics etc, past what is needed for information on the topic at hand. Which is military realism consultation for NS RPG use. Thanks.

I know that this is not NSG, correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I checked Politics and War go hand in hand. The regulars on here generally talk about the two topics in tandem of one another, so I don't see where this remark comes from. Is this a military consultation thread, yes, but sometimes you need to know about the politics in the area to understand which tactics to use and all that fun stuff.

[Padnak]

Within my military all units above company size have an attached MSS political officer in their command section, so I was wondering if it would make sense to hand military police responsibilities over to the MSS-A? The MSS-A is the paramilitary wing of the Ministry of State Security (my primary secrete police service) and already possesses most of the same equipment and more personnel then the military police do and could easily adsorb it role. It seems like it would make sense from an efficiency point of view, having less redundant services and whatnot, and would allow for a much larger MSS presence in the military to ensure loyalty but there could be problems with giving military policing responsibility totally over to a secrete police service that I can't think off.

[United Marxist Nations]

Please do not turn this into a prolonged discussion on politics etc, past what is needed for information on the topic at hand. Which is military realism consultation for NS RPG use. Thanks.

I know that this is not NSG, correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I checked Politics and War go hand in hand. The regulars on here generally talk about the two topics in tandem of one another, so I don't see where this remark comes from. Is this a military consultation thread, yes, but sometimes you need to know about the politics in the area to understand which tactics to use and all that fun stuff.

Hence the "past what is needed". We were talking about general policy, to the point that I even mentioned healthcare and housing.

[EsToVnIa]

Within my military all units above company size have an attached MSS political officer in their command section, so I was wondering if it would make sense to hand military police responsibilities over to the MSS-A? The MSS-A is the paramilitary wing of the Ministry of State Security (my primary secrete police service) and already possesses most of the same equipment and more personnel then the military police do and could easily adsorb it role. It seems like it would make sense from an efficiency point of view, having less redundant services and whatnot, and would allow for a much larger MSS presence in the military to ensure loyalty but there could be problems with giving military policing responsibility totally over to a secrete police service that I can't think off.

Probably a poor idea. Keeping MP in the military would make things easier in the long run.

Edit: yes yes an NSGer shat in everybody's cereal, no need to make him feel even more important by everybody getting all butthurt because he doesn't understand jokes.

[Korva]

Within my military all units above company size have an attached MSS political officer in their command section, so I was wondering if it would make sense to hand military police responsibilities over to the MSS-A? The MSS-A is the paramilitary wing of the Ministry of State Security (my primary secrete police service) and already possesses most of the same equipment and more personnel then the military police do and could easily adsorb it role. It seems like it would make sense from an efficiency point of view, having less redundant services and whatnot, and would allow for a much larger MSS presence in the military to ensure loyalty but there could be problems with giving military policing responsibility totally over to a secrete police service that I can't think off.

secrete police sound gross

[United Marxist Nations]

Within my military all units above company size have an attached MSS political officer in their command section, so I was wondering if it would make sense to hand military police responsibilities over to the MSS-A? The MSS-A is the paramilitary wing of the Ministry of State Security (my primary secrete police service) and already possesses most of the same equipment and more personnel then the military police do and could easily adsorb it role. It seems like it would make sense from an efficiency point of view, having less redundant services and whatnot, and would allow for a much larger MSS presence in the military to ensure loyalty but there could be problems with giving military policing responsibility totally over to a secrete police service that I can't think off.

secrete police sound gross

[The Soodean Imperium]

Please do not turn this into a prolonged discussion on politics etc, past what is needed for information on the topic at hand. Which is military realism consultation for NS RPG use. Thanks.

I know that this is not NSG, correct me if I'm wrong, but last time I checked Politics and War go hand in hand. The regulars on here generally talk about the two topics in tandem of one another, so I don't see where this remark comes from. Is this a military consultation thread, yes, but sometimes you need to know about the politics in the area to understand which tactics to use and all that fun stuff.

"Politics" and "Polticking" share roots but are functionally very different fields, in the same sense that posting 900x900 pics of your favorite weapons is technically related to "infantry" but does not constitute a meaningful discussion of infantry doctrine etc.

Or to relate it to the matter at hand: Stating that in the 1960s the United States had the capability to cripple the USSR in a surprise nuclear attack, but lacked the political will, is indeed relevant to the purpose of this thread. And at the risk of questioning a moderator I'd even say those specific sections of the snipped posts were worth keeping. But saying that the world would be better off if Eurasia's cities were depopulated by nuclear war is neither in line with this thread's purpose nor in compliance with this forum's rules.

Now in the interest of keeping this relevant:

Hovercraft cannot completely replace landing ships due to payload and cost restrictions. Hovercraft and helicopters would probably be used to secure the initial beachead so that conventional landing ships could offload in relative safety.

Now in a scenario where most of the enemy's forces are tied up several hundred kilometers away, and there is a relatively short distance between friendly port and almost entirely undefended coastline, marine landings could manage to ground significant numbers of personel and equipment before the enemy could manage to either raise up a home guard in time or pull back forces off the front line to challenge the landings, possibly?

This was the basic reasoning behind Zubr' and the other large Russian-Soviet LCACs, as well as the transport ekranoplans; too big to be carried inside an LHD or LPD of any sane size, they would leapfrog along the Baltic or Black Sea coasts, landing diversionary forces behind enemy lines in support of the main advance. Even under the best of conditions, though, I doubt you're safe assuming that you'll meet with an "entirely undefended" coastline.

[Allancia]

Within my military all units above company size have an attached MSS political officer in their command section, so I was wondering if it would make sense to hand military police responsibilities over to the MSS-A? The MSS-A is the paramilitary wing of the Ministry of State Security (my primary secrete police service) and already possesses most of the same equipment and more personnel then the military police do and could easily adsorb it role. It seems like it would make sense from an efficiency point of view, having less redundant services and whatnot, and would allow for a much larger MSS presence in the military to ensure loyalty but there could be problems with giving military policing responsibility totally over to a secrete police service that I can't think off.

secrete police sound gross

They stop crime by secreting human rights violations.

[Ulfr-Reich]

1) It really doesn't. As I have Google-fu. And I quite dislike Putin; his military aid can be quite useful though, as can all powers.

1) The Armata broke down during a friggin' PARADE.

2) The Russian Baltic fleet got slaughtered (that kind of incompetence has got to be hereditary).

It's Russia, how do you expect anything besides crippling alcoholism driven krokodil abuse & human wave attacks. Russia is a paper tiger, nothing more, nothing hilariously less.

[Rhoderberg]

inb4 RIDF shows up.

[United Marxist Nations]

1) It really doesn't. As I have Google-fu. And I quite dislike Putin; his military aid can be quite useful though, as can all powers.

1) The Armata broke down during a friggin' PARADE.

2) The Russian Baltic fleet got slaughtered (that kind of incompetence has got to be hereditary).

It's Russia, how do you expect anything besides crippling alcoholism driven krokodil abuse & human wave attacks. Russia is a paper tiger, nothing more, nothing hilariously less.

1) I said absolutely nothing about Armata, I don't really know too much about it.

2) Nor did I say anything about this.

Did you mistakenly quote me? It's nothing to get embarrased about, I've done it dozens of times in my 20k+ posts.

[Auroya]

Everything breaks down once in a while, Armata-chan was just unlucky

[Rhoderberg]

RIDF detected.

[United Marxist Nations]

RIDF detected.

http://i.imgur.com/ZglMdVg.jpg

I do not fund the development of rural infrastructure in India, I am sorry for the misconception.

[Rhoderberg]

In case you're illiterate, which wouldn't surprise me, it stands for Russian Internet Defense Force.

[United Marxist Nations]

In case you're illiterate, which wouldn't surprise me, it stands for Russian Internet Defense Force.

It also stands for Rural Infrastructure Development Fund.

[Auroya]

What is this thread become.

[Ulfr-Reich]

Everything breaks down once in a while, Armata-chan was just unlucky

I do believe you mean "The Armata's engineering crew was exceptionally drunk with their gussied up T-72". Because that looks like an absolute fucktastrophe of event & mechanical management.






Because that looks like "Armata-Chan" is getting hauled off for being a broken hunk of salvaged cold-war stuffs.

[EsToVnIa]

Everything breaks down once in a while, Armata-chan was just unlucky

I do believe you mean "The Armata's engineering crew was exceptionally drunk with their gussied up T-72". Because that looks like an absolute fucktastrophe of event & mechanical management.






Because that looks like "Armata-Chan" is getting hauled off.

If you actually did some reading up on it, you would find that this isn't the case

[The Empire of Pretantia]

In case you're illiterate, which wouldn't surprise me, it stands for Russian Internet Defense Force.

Stop.

[Rhoderberg]

In case you're illiterate, which wouldn't surprise me, it stands for Russian Internet Defense Force.

It also stands for Rural Infrastructure Development Fund.

Perhaps, but the Rural Infrastructure Development Fund don't shill for Putin.

In case you're illiterate, which wouldn't surprise me, it stands for Russian Internet Defense Force.

Stop.

Why.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

It also stands for Rural Infrastructure Development Fund.

Perhaps, but the Rural Infrastructure Development Fund don't shill for Putin.

Stop.

Why.

Because you're skipping on the line between being a jerk and flaming.

[Rhoderberg]

Because you're skipping on the line between being a jerk and flaming.

I'll consider it.

If you actually did some reading up on it, you would find that this isn't the case

That doesn't make the T-14 not a shit, though.