NS Military Realism Consultation Thread Type 08

[The Soodean Imperium]

How powerful?

Well, the primary type of ammunition used would be APFSDS rounds and ATGMs, propably something based off the LAHAT.

For a high-velocity tank gun, range is determined by the quality of the FCS and the line-of-sight available to you, less so by the caliber or length of the gun.

I'd also like to find out what the barrell length would be in calibers.

Divide 7023mm by 128mm and you have your answer

[The Kievan People]

Well, the primary type of ammunition used would be APFSDS rounds and ATGMs, propably something based off the LAHAT.

I'd also like to find out what the barrell length would be in calibers.

OK, then what do you mean by range?

Range can mean any of the following:
1. Maximum ballistic range firing a given projectile at the optimal elevation angle.
2. Maximum ballistic range of a given projectile fired at the highest or best allowable angle.
3. Range at which the probability of hit exceeds 50% when firing a given projectile at a given target (frequently called "effective range").
4. Range at which a certain level of penetration is achievable for APFSDS.
5. Maximum flight range of a guided missile.

The effective range of APFSDS firing at tank sized targets from a modern gun with a modern FCS is about 2,500 meters +/- 500 meters.

The LAHAT can fly about 8km when launched from a ground platform at a ground target.

Taking into account elevation limits a tank can fire a HE shell about 8-10km.

[New Carloso]

Well, the primary type of ammunition used would be APFSDS rounds and ATGMs, propably something based off the LAHAT.

For a high-velocity tank gun, range is determined by the quality of the FCS and the line-of-sight available to you, less so by the caliber or length of the gun.

I'd also like to find out what the barrell length would be in calibers.

Divide 7023mm by 128mm and you have your answer

Thanks

The tank which this is fitted to is called the CT-69 Auroch, a main battle tank based off the Leopard 2A6. It has a similar fire-control system, however all systems have been improved all round. There is also an ultraviolet sensor that works alongside the infra-red one.

[Imperializt Russia]

Well, the primary type of ammunition used would be APFSDS rounds and ATGMs, propably something based off the LAHAT.

For a high-velocity tank gun, range is determined by the quality of the FCS and the line-of-sight available to you, less so by the caliber or length of the gun.

I get the worrying impression, from the genericness of his question, that he wasn't looking for effective range, but arc range.

[The Kievan People]

UV is basically useless except in some very specific applications. Not worth the added cost/complexity.

[Imperializt Russia]

UV is basically useless except in some very specific applications. Not worth the added cost/complexity.

IIRC, UV can be valuable as part of an APS, though it may be of less utility on a ground mount than it is on aircraft.
Since it observes for the UV signature of missile launches, it could alert the crew to the launch of ATGMs.

[New Carloso]

For a high-velocity tank gun, range is determined by the quality of the FCS and the line-of-sight available to you, less so by the caliber or length of the gun.

I get the worrying impression, from the genericness of his question, that he wasn't looking for effective range, but arc range.

Sorry if my question was a bit generic but what I'm really looking for is the effective and maximum range with APFSDS rounds and its effective and maximum range with ATGMs.

[The Kievan People]

"very specific"

Missile warning sensors use vacuum UV. The most defining characteristic of which is that there is virtually no natural radiation in this band at sea level. Which is great if you are trying to find a rocket motor emitting it. But not so great if you want to see, because there is quite literally nothing to see except the occasional rocket plume and random man made UV emitters like high voltage power lines.

[Imperializt Russia]

"very specific"

Missile warning sensors use vacuum UV. The most defining characteristic of which is that there is virtually no natural radiation in this band at sea level. Which is great if you are trying to find a rocket motor emitting it. But not so great if you want to see, because there is quite literally nothing to see except the occasional rocket plume and random man made UV emitters like high voltage power lines.

That post was as much for Carloso's benefit as a question of my own.

[The Kievan People]

I know.

But just a little while ago I was reading another NS tank design which claimed to have UV sensors as part of it's sighting systems. Don't want to encourage this sort of thing.

[Scandinavian Nations]

Is it possible to combine a catapult with a ski-jump?
I'm trying to come up with a method for having both STOBAR and CATOBAR capability that's as space-efficient as possible.

Yes, on a very large ship (120k-ish) you could fit 3-4 cats portside, ski jump starboard. This limits the ski jump takeoff run and thus weight.

A more likely configuration for a reasonable size carrier (80k-ish) would be two cats on the angled deck, ski jump on the straight deck.

You can't have two in one as that will produce destructive stresses.

[Imperializt Russia]

On the airframe or the deck?

[Scandinavian Nations]

Both airframe and the catapult itself. It's the vertical component you're adding that makes them that much worse.

[Imperializt Russia]

Are you suggesting it would be impractical to have a catapult launch a plane forwards onto a ski jump?

[EsToVnIa]

http://iiwiki.com/wiki/Estovnian_Army#Infantry

Is there anything grossly wrong/out-of-place with my organization?

[Elan Valleys]

Combat kilts y/n?

Might be an issue in an NBC environment.

[Scandinavian Nations]

Are you suggesting it would be impractical to have a catapult launch a plane forwards onto a ski jump?

More that it would destroy the plane.

Ski jump is used for low takeoff velocities. Most non-specialized planes can withstand up to 6 degrees, naval ones can do more, but it's all at low velocities. There's not enough margin, the landing gear and the airframe can't handle the transfer of vertical force at the rate resulting from a catapult firing a plane at a ramp. Most likely you'll collapse the gear and crash into the ramp.

[Auroya]

What I meant was to have the catapult go up the ramp, but yeah that sounds like a really bad idea.

I'll just give the aircraft CATOBAR capability and do away with the ramp.

[Wulfenia]

How many IFV realistically speaking could a division field?

[North Yemen-]

How many IFV realistically speaking could a division field?

Depends on the size of your division.

[Wulfenia]

How many IFV realistically speaking could a division field?

Depends on the size of your division.

14,000 - 15,000 men.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

How many IFV realistically speaking could a division field?

Depends on your nation's ability to make and maintain IFVs.

Depends on the size of your division.

14,000 - 15,000 men.

How big are your IFVs?

[Questers]

Depends on the size of your division.

14,000 - 15,000 men.

That depends completely on the organisation and what you consider an IFV.

A battalion of IFVs would be something between 30 and 60. A division with 12 IFV battalions could theoretically have 720 IFVs. But then you use the common chassis for other things, too - command vehicles, signals vehicles, ambulances, mortar carriers and ATGW carriers, recon vehicles, AO vehicles, ARVs, etc. So the chassis could go up to 1,000. But IFVs are expensive. You wouldn't want to put every infantryman into an IFV for that reason.

A Brigade would tend to have something like 90 IFVs in it.

[Wulfenia]

14,000 - 15,000 men.

How big are your IFVs?

They're M2 Bradley's, which according to Wikipedia, can carry six fully equipped soldiers.

[Yalos]

How big are your IFVs?

They're M2 Bradley's, which according to Wikipedia, can carry six fully equipped soldiers.

Instead of figuring how many a division should have, it might be helpful to design your military at least to the battalion level, so it can be more easily identified what, where and how you'll arrange vehicles and other elements.