NS Military Realism Consultation Thread Type 08

[Yukonastan]

Well I kept hearing that 30mm was overkill and that 25mm could hold a lot more rounds.

Wondering if a more controllable and close-fire missile is a good fit, less blue on blue.

Already made. APKWS II.

[Imperializt Russia]

What do you think the Longbow radar is for?

Identifying and classifying up to 128 targets, ordering them in order of threat, and destroying the top 16 in the space of thirty seconds.

And doing it practically from behind cover, unseen.

[Imperializt Russia]

Well I kept hearing that 30mm was overkill and that 25mm could hold a lot more rounds.

Wondering if a more controllable and close-fire missile is a good fit, less blue on blue.

The primary missile that Apaches have been equipped with has typically been the laser-guided Hellfire which has a high accuracy (a radar-guided version for use with Longbow exists).
British Apaches will at some point be transitioning from laser-guided Hellfire to the Brimstone missile.

30mm is a highly effective cannon calibre. Highly effective against infantry in the open, weapon placements, lightly armoured vehicles and buildings.

[Rich and Corporations]

For a modern country of 185,000,000 people with a standing military of 1,500,000 personnel, would drafting 10,000,000 into my military be acceptable in a world war situation? To be more specific, the number comes from data I could find on the Red Army and the US Armed Forces during WWII, since I'll need to invade other superpowers overseas, and possibly defend my country from an invasion. If the mass conscriptions aren't practical in a modern context (though, IC'ly thee hasn't been a major world war since the early 1900's), then what would be more practical?

do you not consider babies and the elderly not to be people in your country?

[Atlantica]

What do you think the Longbow radar is for?

Identifying and classifying up to 128 targets, ordering them in order of threat, and destroying the top 16 in the space of thirty seconds.

Pretty much what I was thinking. The Apache needs better flight performance to increase its survivability.

[Doppio Giudici]

Well I kept hearing that 30mm was overkill and that 25mm could hold a lot more rounds.

Wondering if a more controllable and close-fire missile is a good fit, less blue on blue.

The primary missile that Apaches have been equipped with has typically been the laser-guided Hellfire which has a high accuracy (a radar-guided version for use with Longbow exists).
British Apaches will at some point be transitioning from laser-guided Hellfire to the Brimstone missile.

30mm is a highly effective cannon calibre. Highly effective against infantry in the open, weapon placements, lightly armoured vehicles and buildings.

I'm not confident with the Hellfire after all the people it ended up missing and hitting. *Cough* Drone Strikes *Cough*

[Korva]

it must have good accuracy if it can hit the entire wedding party

[Inyourfaceistan]

The primary missile that Apaches have been equipped with has typically been the laser-guided Hellfire which has a high accuracy (a radar-guided version for use with Longbow exists).
British Apaches will at some point be transitioning from laser-guided Hellfire to the Brimstone missile.

30mm is a highly effective cannon calibre. Highly effective against infantry in the open, weapon placements, lightly armoured vehicles and buildings.

I'm not confident with the Hellfire after all the people it ended up missing and hitting. *Cough* Drone Strikes *Cough*

This is media BS.

Hellfire hits it's mark most of the time.
Of course when your a wanted warlord who lives in a 2-story mud brick house with your four wives, nine kids, two brothers with their wives and kids, there will be collateral damage when that hellfire hits it's mark.

[Doppio Giudici]

A house sized margin of error is not practical enough for moving cars, taking out rooms without blowing up the next house over, and trying to not wipe out the street under the truck you just killed.

[Imperializt Russia]

A house sized margin of error is not practical enough for moving cars, taking out rooms without blowing up the next house over, and trying to not wipe out the street under the truck you just killed.

This is an argument against drone strikes and how those operations are conducted and nothing to do with the weapon system. The weapon system performed excellently. Hence why there's been such an uproar over its use.

[Imperializt Russia]

Identifying and classifying up to 128 targets, ordering them in order of threat, and destroying the top 16 in the space of thirty seconds.

Pretty much what I was thinking. The Apache needs better flight performance to increase its survivability.

No it doesn't.

It'd be useful, but this is like suggesting that if Abrams had a 2000hp engine instead of 1500, it would be more survivable. Not really.

[Licana]

A house sized margin of error is not practical enough for moving cars, taking out rooms without blowing up the next house over, and trying to not wipe out the street under the truck you just killed.

4 x 4 meters makes for a p. small house.

[Inyourfaceistan]

A house sized margin of error is not practical enough for moving cars, taking out rooms without blowing up the next house over, and trying to not wipe out the street under the truck you just killed.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-114_Hellfire

As you can see there are different Hellfire variants. It was initially made to take out armored vehicles, and that's also what longbow radar is for.
It has recently been modified to attack buildings.

And it's not a "house sized margin of error", it hits it's mark and blows up the building as a result.

[EsToVnIa]

A house sized margin of error is not practical enough for moving cars, taking out rooms without blowing up the next house over, and trying to not wipe out the street under the truck you just killed.

4 x 4 meters makes for a p. small house.

heroin money only gets you so far

[Doppio Giudici]

So if I want a smaller missile for danger close, I have to look to the Griffon yet again?

[Imperializt Russia]

Hellfire can be used at "danger close".
The only weapon you can reasonably expect to be damaging against the one room you fire it into is going to be a 40mm grenade, to be honest.

[Versail]

Could someone please explain to me what the differences and similaritys between 7.62x39mm , 5.56x45mm, and 9x39mm ammunition are?

[Imperializt Russia]

Could someone please explain to me what the differences and similaritys between 7.62x39mm , 5.56x45mm, and 9x39mm ammunition are?

9x39mm ammunition is pretty much 7.62x39mm cartridge cases adapted to accept a heavy 9mm bullet. It's often a subsonic loading. The point is to use it for a suppressed weapon. It makes up for the low muzzle velocity with a heavy projectile that can penetrate and do damage.

7.62x39mm is a decent cartridge - heavy (~125gr) 7.62mm bullet for an intermediate-power cartridge. Quite severe trajectory and relatively low velocity though (~700m/s). 5.56x45mm is a cartridge firing a much lighter bullet at much higher velocity (~60gr at ~1000m/s). Rapidly loses energy though.

[Organized States]

Identifying and classifying up to 128 targets, ordering them in order of threat, and destroying the top 16 in the space of thirty seconds.

Pretty much what I was thinking. The Apache needs better flight performance to increase its survivability.

AH-64E Apache Guardian.

"Problem" solved.

[The Soodean Imperium]

So if I want a smaller missile for danger close, I have to look to the Griffon yet again?

The purpose of the AGM-176 Griffin is to limit collateral damage by using a smaller warhead; thus in a counter-insurgency situation, you might knock out Target A's house, but not the orphanage next to it.

Though as Samoz has noted, Hellfire is already used in "danger close" situations (possibly depends on what you are imagining by "danger close"), and even Griffin's blast won't be reliably confined a single room.

Pretty much what I was thinking. The Apache needs better flight performance to increase its survivability.

No it doesn't.

It'd be useful, but this is like suggesting that if Abrams had a 2000hp engine instead of 1500, it would be more survivable. Not really.

Better suppression of noise and IR emissions, on the other hand, are important elements of a helicopter's "survivability onion." The former isn't limited by line-of-sight, and the latter affects the targeting of IIR missiles.

Could someone please explain to me what the differences and similaritys between 7.62x39mm , 5.56x45mm, and 9x39mm ammunition are?

They are:

a more suitable topic for the Infantry Thread.

[Korva]

If Griffin is still too large just drop a concrete bomb.

[The Soodean Imperium]

If Griffin is still too large just drop a concrete bomb.

a literal iron bomb

[Doppio Giudici]

If Griffin is still too large just drop a concrete bomb.

a literal iron bomb

What about a CRV-7?

[The Akasha Colony]

The primary missile that Apaches have been equipped with has typically been the laser-guided Hellfire which has a high accuracy (a radar-guided version for use with Longbow exists).
British Apaches will at some point be transitioning from laser-guided Hellfire to the Brimstone missile.

30mm is a highly effective cannon calibre. Highly effective against infantry in the open, weapon placements, lightly armoured vehicles and buildings.

I'm not confident with the Hellfire after all the people it ended up missing and hitting. *Cough* Drone Strikes *Cough*

Hellfire hits whatever the operator tells it to hit. Most such misses are due to operator error, because while the missile is very precise and lands wherever you want it, often you can't tell exactly where you want it. You see news reports of weddings being hit because some operator mistook that gathering of people for something else.

[New Vihenia]

So what you are saying is that the next big thing in NS guns is going to be attaching electric heaters to gun chambers for a consistently scorching temperature?

Nope. the goal here is to keep the temperature stable. Not to high or too low. My consideration is to actually air conditioning the bustle or wherever you store ammo inside the tank.