Infantry Discussion Thread 6: True Korea Edition

[Rhoderberg]

I haven't actually design my military beyond some vague it exist and does stuff.

My diplomatic security detail comes up more often as I do embassies and participate in regional meetings.



I am looking for recommendations for actual weapons rather than vague archtypes like "go get sub machine guns" or something to that extent. I dont really know what sub machine gun has the accuracy and lack of stopping power I am seeking so I thought I ask here before I get drill through pages and pages on weapons.

G36c and MP5. There you go.

Don't listen to him.

FN FALs are the only weapon you need.

Edit: You should also considering buying Tsavonian.

[The balkens]

G36c and MP5. There you go.

Don't listen to him.

FN FALs are the only weapon you need.

Edit: You should also considering buying Tsavonian.

Get that awesomely drawn piece of FN (good)crap out of here.

The only Weapon you need is the HK-416, perfect for dudes in Black uniforms and kick ass looking insignias.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Remember when I mentioned google sheets?

Protip: Scroll to the right for notes.
Also credit Velkanika

[Laywenrania]

Carbines and submachine guns.

I am looking for recommendations for actual weapons rather than vague archtypes like "go get sub machine guns" or something to that extent. I dont really know what sub machine gun has the accuracy and lack of stopping power I am seeking so I thought I ask here before I get drill through pages and pages on weapons.

AKS-74U.
Or PP-2000

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

I am looking for recommendations for actual weapons rather than vague archtypes like "go get sub machine guns" or something to that extent. I dont really know what sub machine gun has the accuracy and lack of stopping power I am seeking so I thought I ask here before I get drill through pages and pages on weapons.

Alas, without knowing more about your nation's armaments all we can offer are "vague archetypes." Really though, everyone's right. A carbine version of your standard combat rifle firing frangible ammunition, or an SMG with hollow points is exactly what you're looking for.

My personal preference, though, is for high velocith saboted solid steel penetrators.

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G36c and MP5. There you go.

Speaking of which, it seems the G36's accuracy issues are actually a thing. Admittedly, I'm quite surprised.

[Crookfur]

What is your service rifle? Issue a carbine variant of that, optionally with frangible ammunition.

Optionally just line the interior walls of your embassy with half an inch of lead.

I haven't actually design my military beyond some vague it exist and does stuff.

My diplomatic security detail comes up more often as I do embassies and participate in regional meetings.

Carbines and submachine guns.

I am looking for recommendations for actual weapons rather than vague archtypes like "go get sub machine guns" or something to that extent. I dont really know what sub machine gun has the accuracy and lack of stopping power I am seeking so I thought I ask here before I get drill through pages and pages on weapons.

The thing is within a class most firearms are going to be more or less the same so really it's more down to what you like the look of and what fits your nation.

You probably want a sidearm and for that any current 9mm or .45 acp pistol will do. You might want a model that comes in both full size and compact varieties but that's optional. As to what is hot at the moment it seems to be all about HK VP9s, S&W M&Ps, SIGs and the perennial Glock. All have thier fan boys and talking about them can cause lots of rage and butt hurt but honestly any of them or stuff from the likes of FN or Beretta will do the job so just use what ever pistol your favourite cop/action show uses.

As to "long arms" I w out don't bother with SMGs they don't have notably less wall and body penetration than small rifle calibre carbines which is part of the reason many police forces have/are transitioning to carbines. Any 10-12" barreled AR-15/M-16 derivative would work well (heck even the British transport police have one of these now) but you could go longer to 14-16" if you desired. Again there are loads of people making good short barrel AS but the likes of LMT, colt and FN are generally the favoured government contractors for these things although colt and FN tend to build US government designs rather than offer thier own catalogue options. Alternatively any other 5.56mm carbine would work so if you prefer the looks of the SCAR - or even a bullpup like the tavor that's cool.

You shouldn't need much else bar perhaps some 12 gauge pump shotguns and maybe a 40mm launcher issued with tear gas or other less than lethal rounds. As ever what you are permitted will depend on the nation you ate setting an embassy up in.

Remember how I mentioned what fits your nation? Well that I mean whilst I have mostly mentioned the very latest (trendy) stuff it could be that you nation isn't about the latest a greatest gear (although diplomatic protection groups tend to have thier own separate high priority procurement channels) so don't be put off looking at slightly older stuff or stuff from one particular country if that would be more fitting.

[Imperializt Russia]

obviously those armories are packed with GPMGs and mortars in case Jason Bourne shows up

They have rifles and stuff.

But " don't really need anything beyond pistols" is how you get your embassy raided.

I assume he meant for the guys in the lobby.

So I am creating a "Foreign Guard" which will basically be security officers meant for guarding embassies, protecting visiting dignitaries, and generally be the public face of my military on the international scene.

I am curious I do not know much about guns but what would be some good weapons and calibers to arm them with? I need weapons that are highly accurate and are not as likely to shoot through walls just in case they do miss. I am not to concern about stopping power, I'd rather avoid killing some nosy reporter or other person whose death will set the media on fire.

What is your service rifle? Issue a carbine variant of that, optionally with frangible ammunition.

Optionally just line the interior walls of your embassy with half an inch of lead.

Bonus - radiation shielding!

Carbines and submachine guns.

I am looking for recommendations for actual weapons rather than vague archtypes like "go get sub machine guns" or something to that extent. I dont really know what sub machine gun has the accuracy and lack of stopping power I am seeking so I thought I ask here before I get drill through pages and pages on weapons.

Almost all rifles will have an acceptable accuracy (~man-sized target at 300m), so it's really a personal preference. This preference could be based on your proposed ethnicity and relations to the real world - ie, whether you select a Kalashnikov or an AR-15 model. All submachine guns will similarly be broadly comparable in terms of precision, just to a much shorter range. One would hope embassy guards need not fight at 300 metres or so, and will probably be shooting at targets significantly closer, where dispersion of the weapon can be almost ignored.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Speaking of which, it seems the G36's accuracy issues are actually a thing. Admittedly, I'm quite surprised.

They had a wandering zero. Pretty sure it's been fixed.

[Imperializt Russia]

Speaking of which, it seems the G36's accuracy issues are actually a thing. Admittedly, I'm quite surprised.

They had a wandering zero. Pretty sure it's been fixed.

Rather than using spec polymers, HK has apparently been using the same kind of plastic as milk cartons for years for key structural components of the rifles.
The rifles are actually inherently faulty due to manufacturing.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Wow, what KOCHsuckers.

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

Jeep infantry squad

• Squad leader - rifle
• Grenadier - rifle + UBGL
• Rifleman - rifle
• Gunner - belt-fed GPMG

with rifle grenades / disposable rocket launchers spread among them, y/y?

Also, what exactly is a "scout" in a squad? Do they have some better optics or lighter load or smth?

This is almost identical to how I run a jeep squad with four jeeps to a squad and one of those four having only two riflemen and a radio operator running a field network.

And for the purposes of my infantry, a "Scout" is a designated marksman who has done some hand to hand combat training, graduated a week of evasion/survival classes, gets to ditch the extra belt of 30cal and instead humps around a short range laser designator for painting up the CAS targets.

wait what. So a single squad is 4 jeeps and 12+3=15 men?

I was thinking more of a 4-man squad, perhaps x4 for a platoon + a jeep carrying a 60mm (probably commando) mortar and platoon leader and another jeep with platoon 2ic and a MMG team or smth (or DM + MMG)

EDIT: Alternatively, I could have a non-dismountable crew of 2 (driver and gunner) so that the vehicles can still move and possibly offer fire support to the dismounts. But then I'd be left with only 3 dismounts which is even less for a squad.

Maybe 2 vehicles per squad would be better to give a 6-man squad. However, I'd be left with 6 vehicle platoons not including command/weapons squad.

2 vehicles per squad really grinds my OCD gears tho

[The East Asian Post-Apocalyptic Pact]

You guys said that the post-apocalyptic rifleman would be equipped with some sort of AK. But if this takes place in a hundred years later in the future against a variety of enemies such as hostile wildlife, mutants, zombies, aliens, and finally other humans, what kind of improvements would you expect for the Kalashnikova?

>inb4 nyet rifle is fine

[Immoren]

This is almost identical to how I run a jeep squad with four jeeps to a squad and one of those four having only two riflemen and a radio operator running a field network.

And for the purposes of my infantry, a "Scout" is a designated marksman who has done some hand to hand combat training, graduated a week of evasion/survival classes, gets to ditch the extra belt of 30cal and instead humps around a short range laser designator for painting up the CAS targets.

wait what. So a single squad is 4 jeeps and 12+3=15 men?

I was thinking more of a 4-man squad, perhaps x4 for a platoon + a jeep carrying a 60mm (probably commando) mortar and platoon leader and another jeep with platoon 2ic and a MMG team or smth (or DM + MMG)

EDIT: Alternatively, I could have a non-dismountable crew of 2 (driver and gunner) so that the vehicles can still move and possibly offer fire support to the dismounts. But then I'd be left with only 3 dismounts which is even less for a squad.

Maybe 2 vehicles per squad would be better to give a 6-man squad. However, I'd be left with 6 vehicle platoons not including command/weapons squad.

2 vehicles per squad really grinds my OCD gears tho

I fail to see how it's anti OCD

[DnalweN acilbupeR]

wait what. So a single squad is 4 jeeps and 12+3=15 men?

I was thinking more of a 4-man squad, perhaps x4 for a platoon + a jeep carrying a 60mm (probably commando) mortar and platoon leader and another jeep with platoon 2ic and a MMG team or smth (or DM + MMG)

EDIT: Alternatively, I could have a non-dismountable crew of 2 (driver and gunner) so that the vehicles can still move and possibly offer fire support to the dismounts. But then I'd be left with only 3 dismounts which is even less for a squad.

Maybe 2 vehicles per squad would be better to give a 6-man squad. However, I'd be left with 6 vehicle platoons not including command/weapons squad.

2 vehicles per squad really grinds my OCD gears tho

I fail to see how it's anti OCD

All platoons must have 4 squads. All companies must have 4 platoons. Each squad in its own vehicle.

NO

EXCEPTIONS

(this is how my brain works irl)

[Immoren]

I fail to see how it's anti OCD

All platoons must have 4 squads. All companies must have 4 platoons. Each squad in its own vehicle.

NO

EXCEPTIONS

(this is how my brain works irl)

Call it a troop or section to get around it then.

[Crookfur]

I fail to see how it's anti OCD

(Image)

All platoons must have 4 squads. All companies must have 4 platoons. Each squad in its own vehicle.

NO

EXCEPTIONS

(this is how my brain works irl)

What are you the Federated Suns? Just call your platoon a Lance and be done with it.

Anyway you are a heretic for not following the one true light of the Rule of three+ specials

[Gallia-]

I fail to see how it's anti OCD

All platoons must have 4 squads. All companies must have 4 platoons. Each squad in its own vehicle.

NO

EXCEPTIONS

(this is how my brain works irl)

Don't be a Square.

Rule of three trumps all.

[Immoren]

All platoons must have 4 squads. All companies must have 4 platoons. Each squad in its own vehicle.

NO

EXCEPTIONS

(this is how my brain works irl)

Don't be a Square.

Rule of three trumps all.

And pants are for squares.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Don't be a Square.

...lol

[Tekeristan]

How shall infantry carry rockets to keep up with tank designs?

With tanks improving their missile-defense systems, what do you guys thing?

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

How shall infantry carry rockets to keep up with tank designs?

With tanks improving their missile-defense systems, what do you guys thing?

Dedicated anti-tank weapons at the platoon level.

[Immoren]

How shall infantry carry rockets to keep up with tank designs?

With tanks improving their missile-defense systems, what do you guys thing?

M72 for every infantryman, not preoccupied with machine gun.
Platoon has has 18 NLAWs that will handed out to platoon`s Riflemen according to the Platoon leader's battleplan and METT-T.

Further anti-tank troops are on higher levels.

[Imperializt Russia]

How shall infantry carry rockets to keep up with tank designs?

With tanks improving their missile-defense systems, what do you guys thing?

Dedicated anti-tank weapons at the platoon level.

Dedicated anti-tank is a battalion or company asset.

Rifle platoons and their squads only need weapons that can harass and suppress enemy armour, which are offered by general grenadier weapons like RPG-7, Carl Gustav, SMAW and also disposable/light launchers such as AT-4, RPG-22, LAW.

[Yukonastan]

(Image)
You guys said that the post-apocalyptic rifleman would be equipped with some sort of AK. But if this takes place in a hundred years later in the future against a variety of enemies such as hostile wildlife, mutants, zombies, aliens, and finally other humans, what kind of improvements would you expect for the Kalashnikova?

>inb4 nyet rifle is fine

nyet rifu ees fine. *nods*

[Korva]

Dedicated anti-tank weapons at the platoon level.

Dedicated anti-tank is a battalion or company asset.

Rifle platoons and their squads only need weapons that can harass and suppress enemy armour, which are offered by general grenadier weapons like RPG-7, Carl Gustav, SMAW and also disposable/light launchers such as AT-4, RPG-22, LAW.

US army gives Javelins to their weapons squads