Infantry Discussion Thread 6: True Korea Edition

[Themiclesia]

it is just ritual combat between his own people

against normal nations they would presumably act normal

That makes sense I guess.

You say that, but I've seen no evidence of any proper military organization. Of course, anything before the age of pike and shot isn't really my cup of tea, so to speak.

Because we are in the bronze age and they're chalcolithic at best. Knowledge is strictly contained for both commercial and military interests. States may be embattled, but they're still identified as "one of us".

Oh, so you're mysteriously more advanced than all of your neighbors, then?

How are you going to manage to avoid the spread of such information if your "nation" is five hundred-odd warring states? You can't honestly tell me that all five hundred leaders got together and agreed to not give away the secrets of how to add tin to bronze.

Yes, we're mysteriously more advanced than our neighbours. Besides, we don't have many neighbours. In previous centuries we captured most of them and used them in human sacrifice. Consequently, there aren't many of them left.

Mixing tin into copper isn't as easy as to write in on paper; mines need to be located and exploited, resources extracted and made usable. The mixture must be precise and incorporate several other trace elements. All that requires immense skill and expertise, not to mention traditional experience, before the age of modern science. And yes, all 500 of them regularly meet with each other at designated places in regular intervals and bring tribute to the king. So, more or less, they are making war against people they know on a personal basis.

[Fordorsia]

13th century Australian Aboriginals can have steel swords

They could?

[Themiclesia]

Because we are in the bronze age and they're chalcolithic at best. Knowledge is strictly contained for both commercial and military interests. States may be embattled, but they're still identified as "one of us".

And no one outside has ever learned how to make bronze and given the "secret" to your neighbours, or at least sold them some weapons? Because, if 13th century Australian Aboriginals can have steel swords, then your neighbours will somehow get a hold of some bronze weapons.

Not according to canon. But knowledge travels slowly in those ages without the Internet; really, the "secret" requires a lot resources to implement, and we don't usually simply invade other peoples for no good reason. They've got nothing worth looting, and we got the best patches of land already.

And, yes, since we have iron mines and forging technique, we have steel. But steel isn't used in domestic warfare because we're attached to bronze, almost the symbol of our culture.

[Fordorsia]

And no one outside has ever learned how to make bronze and given the "secret" to your neighbours, or at least sold them some weapons? Because, if 13th century Australian Aboriginals can have steel swords, then your neighbours will somehow get a hold of some bronze weapons.

Not according to canon. But knowledge travels slowly in those ages without the Internet; really, the "secret" requires a lot resources to implement, and we don't usually simply invade other peoples for no good reason. They've got nothing worth looting, and we got the best patches of land already.

And, yes, since we have iron mines and forging technique, we have steel. But steel isn't used in domestic warfare because we're attached to bronze, almost the symbol of our culture.

If bronze stayed even after the introduction of steel because it's cultural, then why didn't copper after the introduction of bronze?

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

ACG-34.

What does it mean, lord Balk?!

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Any ideas on what to do about the magazine release, or how to make the inside of the magazine well look less shit?

[Aqizithiuda]

13th century Australian Aboriginals can have steel swords

They could?

Yup. They recently found a 700 year old skeleton with a cut to the skull characteristic of a sword. This wasn't in the Top End, either, but much further south.

And no one outside has ever learned how to make bronze and given the "secret" to your neighbours, or at least sold them some weapons? Because, if 13th century Australian Aboriginals can have steel swords, then your neighbours will somehow get a hold of some bronze weapons.

Not according to canon. But knowledge travels slowly in those ages without the Internet; really, the "secret" requires a lot resources to implement, and we don't usually simply invade other peoples for no good reason. They've got nothing worth looting, and we got the best patches of land already.

And, yes, since we have iron mines and forging technique, we have steel. But steel isn't used in domestic warfare because we're attached to bronze, almost the symbol of our culture.

If you have everything worth looting, they'll loot you every chance they get. They will get bronze weapons, or else bronze that can be turned into weapons, that way.

You have steel in the 9th century BC?

[Themiclesia]

Not according to canon. But knowledge travels slowly in those ages without the Internet; really, the "secret" requires a lot resources to implement, and we don't usually simply invade other peoples for no good reason. They've got nothing worth looting, and we got the best patches of land already.

And, yes, since we have iron mines and forging technique, we have steel. But steel isn't used in domestic warfare because we're attached to bronze, almost the symbol of our culture.

If bronze stayed even after the introduction of steel because it's cultural, then why didn't copper after the introduction of bronze?

Because you use copper to make bronze. How does one make steel out of bronze?

And yes, we still have stone weapons. They're used in court ceremonies.

[Fordorsia]

They could?

Yup. They recently found a 700 year old skeleton with a cut to the skull characteristic of a sword. This wasn't in the Top End, either, but much further south.

So no actual sword found? Copper or stone could do that. Got a link to a picture or anything? I'm seriously doubting this, unless the steel or the blade was aquired by trade.

[The balkens]

ACG-34.

What does it mean, lord Balk?!

Erzengel-Conglomerate-Gewehr, year 2034 or some shit.

[Themiclesia]

If you have everything worth looting, they'll loot you every chance they get. They will get bronze weapons, or else bronze that can be turned into weapons, that way.

You have steel in the 9th century BC?

Yes they would, and they do. But usually not with much success. And bronze isn't the best loot there is; ingots are heavy and manufactured items don't have a long working life without the skill to repair them.

Steel is typically used for door hinges and inkwells. The non-corrosive property of steel makes it ideal to hold ink (because ink is slightly corrosive but stays in the same place for a long time), and its resilience primed for holding doors in place.

[Fordorsia]

If you have everything worth looting, they'll loot you every chance they get. They will get bronze weapons, or else bronze that can be turned into weapons, that way.

You have steel in the 9th century BC?

Yes they would, and they do. But usually not with much success. And bronze isn't the best loot there is; ingots are heavy and manufactured items don't have a long working life without the skill to repair them.

Steel is typically used for door hinges and inkwells. The non-corrosive property of steel makes it ideal to hold ink (because ink is slightly corrosive but stays in the same place for a long time), and its resilience primed for holding doors in place.

You can melt bronze down then cast it into something else very easily, regardless of what it's shaped as.

And I hope those hinges get taken apart and cleaned very often. Moving parts made of early steel would rust like a cunt.

[Themiclesia]

Yes they would, and they do. But usually not with much success. And bronze isn't the best loot there is; ingots are heavy and manufactured items don't have a long working life without the skill to repair them.

Steel is typically used for door hinges and inkwells. The non-corrosive property of steel makes it ideal to hold ink (because ink is slightly corrosive but stays in the same place for a long time), and its resilience primed for holding doors in place.

You can melt bronze down then cast it into something else very easily, regardless of what it's shaped as.

And I hope those hinges get taken apart and cleaned very often. Moving parts made of early steel would rust like a cunt.

Yes, if you know how to do it. If you don't, the molten bronze can explode when you pour it into a wet mould. That makes a bad day for the silly barbarians, doesn't it?

The hinges are cleaned on a regular basis because the doors fall out easily, but that isn't infantry-related, is it?

[Fordorsia]

You can melt bronze down then cast it into something else very easily, regardless of what it's shaped as.

And I hope those hinges get taken apart and cleaned very often. Moving parts made of early steel would rust like a cunt.

Yes, if you know how to do it. If you don't, the molten bronze can explode when you pour it into a wet mould. That makes a bad day for the silly barbarians, doesn't it?

The hinges are cleaned on a regular basis because the doors fall out easily, but that isn't infantry-related, is it?

If "barbarians" know how to make bronze, they'll know how to make it properly. Rome learned not to underestimate savages the hard way.

[Rhoderberg]

Yes, we're mysteriously more advanced than our neighbours. Besides, we don't have many neighbours. In previous centuries we captured most of them and used them in human sacrifice. Consequently, there aren't many of them left.

Mixing tin into copper isn't as easy as to write in on paper; mines need to be located and exploited, resources extracted and made usable. The mixture must be precise and incorporate several other trace elements. All that requires immense skill and expertise, not to mention traditional experience, before the age of modern science. And yes, all 500 of them regularly meet with each other at designated places in regular intervals and bring tribute to the king. So, more or less, they are making war against people they know on a personal basis.

Human sacrifices don't permanently reduce a population. So now you have a number of neighboring states that also hate you.

Also, do you or don't you have a centralized government? Not only that but how do you expect a bunch of nobles who know each other to suddenly go to war against each other?

Steel is typically used for door hinges and inkwells. The non-corrosive property of steel makes it ideal to hold ink (because ink is slightly corrosive but stays in the same place for a long time), and its resilience primed for holding doors in place.

Ignoring the ridiculousness of having steel in the 9th century, why are you using it for goddamn door hinges and inkwells?

No actual person would handicap themselves that much that they'd use steel that could be used in weapons or armor and waste it on irrelevant shit like that.

[EsToVnIa]

ACG-34.

What does it mean, lord Balk?!

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Any ideas on what to do about the magazine release, or how to make the inside of the magazine well look less shit?

Dildo with a pistol grip

truly anything is possible with IDT \o/

[Themiclesia]

Yes, if you know how to do it. If you don't, the molten bronze can explode when you pour it into a wet mould. That makes a bad day for the silly barbarians, doesn't it?

The hinges are cleaned on a regular basis because the doors fall out easily, but that isn't infantry-related, is it?

If "barbarians" know how to make bronze, they'll know how to make it properly. Rome learned not to underestimate savages the hard way.

So would we. It turns out that we're not the only bunch knowing how to make steel, but that happened in 770 B.C.E. -- 30 years after the timeframe we're currently talking about.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Yes, if you know how to do it. If you don't, the molten bronze can explode when you pour it into a wet mould. That makes a bad day for the silly barbarians, doesn't it?

The hinges are cleaned on a regular basis because the doors fall out easily, but that isn't infantry-related, is it?

If "barbarians" know how to make bronze, they'll know how to make it properly. Rome learned not to underestimate savages the hard way.

Dezzick showed me how. It's really not that hard. -shrug-

[Themiclesia]

Yes, we're mysteriously more advanced than our neighbours. Besides, we don't have many neighbours. In previous centuries we captured most of them and used them in human sacrifice. Consequently, there aren't many of them left.

Mixing tin into copper isn't as easy as to write in on paper; mines need to be located and exploited, resources extracted and made usable. The mixture must be precise and incorporate several other trace elements. All that requires immense skill and expertise, not to mention traditional experience, before the age of modern science. And yes, all 500 of them regularly meet with each other at designated places in regular intervals and bring tribute to the king. So, more or less, they are making war against people they know on a personal basis.

Human sacrifices don't permanently reduce a population. So now you have a number of neighboring states that also hate you.

Also, do you or don't you have a centralized government? Not only that but how do you expect a bunch of nobles who know each other to suddenly go to war against each other?

Yes it does. Neighbours don't have states. We have a king but he doesn't actually control other nobles. He's the head of the nobles, so to say. Like the president of the club or host of the party.

Steel is typically used for door hinges and inkwells. The non-corrosive property of steel makes it ideal to hold ink (because ink is slightly corrosive but stays in the same place for a long time), and its resilience primed for holding doors in place.

Ignoring the ridiculousness of having steel in the 9th century, why are you using it for goddamn door hinges and inkwells?

No actual person would handicap themselves that much that they'd use steel that could be used in weapons or armor and waste it on irrelevant shit like that.

For reasons already stated.

[Fordorsia]

Ignoring the ridiculousness of having steel in the 9th century

So you think steel was first produced sometime after the 9th century?

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Dildo with a pistol grip

truly anything is possible with IDT \o/

It sounds almost as though you don't want a magazine fed automatic dildo with ergonomic pistol grip, Prem. Surely that couldn't be the case though.

[Themiclesia]

Ignoring the ridiculousness of having steel in the 9th century

So you think steel was first produced sometime after the 9th century?

Oooh, missed that faux pas. I thought steel had existed artificially since about the 20th c. B.C.E.?

[Fordorsia]

So you think steel was first produced sometime after the 9th century?

Oooh, missed that faux pas. I thought steel had existed artificially since about the 20th c. B.C.E.?

The earliest finds are nearly 4,000 years old. Iberians and Middle Easterner loved that shit.

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[Bezombia]

Oooh, missed that faux pas. I thought steel had existed artificially since about the 20th c. B.C.E.?

The earliest finds are nearly 4,000 years old. Iberians and Middle Easterner loved that shit.

FALCATA MASTER RACE 100% NO EXCEPTIONS

Are we talking about the Caucasian Iberians or the Pyrenean Iberians?

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Okay so I was doing spreadsheet stuff and found this. Who can point out the peculiarity here?

[The Great Nation of Dan]

So you think steel was first produced sometime after the 9th century?

Oooh, missed that faux pas. I thought steel had existed artificially since about the 20th c. B.C.E.?

Iron has been around since the 13th century BC. But steel nearly really came about until the 19th century mainly as an accident with iron making. Again what you're asking for is mary sue-ish but possible considering the Aztecs had a similar thing going on.