Infantry Discussion Thread 6: True Korea Edition

[Imperializt Russia]

What part of "the remainder of the ammunition in stripper clips to recharge those [six magazines]" are you not getting exactly?
16 loaded magazines is ludicrous. Sixteen magazine's worth of ammunition carried, less so.
10 magazines worth of ammunition carried is perfectly reasonable.

That requires the soldier to stop what he's doing, unload his backpack, remove the stripper clips from his backpack, load the stripper clips into his empty magazines, put his pack back on, then continue firing.

As for weight a magpul E-mag weights around 0.30 pounds. 10 times that is 3 pounds. Is 3 pounds really a deal changer?

What makes this a vast difficulty? It's served soldiers well as a concept since the magazine-fed rifle.
Stripper clips are less bulk to carry. For two stripper clips of 12 rounds each, that's "0.30 pounds" less weight that needs carrying.

Why does he need sixteen loaded magazines?

[Totulga]

What part of "the remainder of the ammunition in stripper clips to recharge those [six magazines]" are you not getting exactly?
16 loaded magazines is ludicrous. Sixteen magazine's worth of ammunition carried, less so.
10 magazines worth of ammunition carried is perfectly reasonable.

That requires the soldier to stop what he's doing, unload his backpack, remove the stripper clips from his backpack, load the stripper clips into his empty magazines, put his pack back on, then continue firing.

As for weight a magpul E-mag weights around 0.30 pounds. 10 times that is 3 pounds. Is 3 pounds really a deal changer?

A canteen pouch can hold five 30 round magazines. two of them can hold 10 magazines, they can fit on either side of the IOTV or plate carrier. In addition, it is often a good idea to have a 2 or 3 round magazine pouch on your back left or right shoulder to allow team members to easily grab a spare magazine. 10 magazines with ammo weighs 13 pounds, 10 magazines carries 300 rounds, a standard SAW/Light Machine Gunner carries between 600-800 rounds of 5.56mm rounds. For 15.6 pounds would be 12 magazines and 360 rounds. That is more than reasonable for most operations... oh and standard patrol load out for current US forces is 14 magazines right now because they were running out of ammunition.

The problem with strip clips is that it takes a good deal of time to reload the magazines even with all the equipment available. It essentially requires a pause in battle for you to do this, with gloves on and your hot, out of breath with mortars falling from the sky and dust and dirt getting caught in the magazines leading to feed failures. The best way of using strip clips with with something like an FN FAL can take them directly.

[Imperializt Russia]

Remember that riflemen each carry 100-200 rounds of ammunition for the SAW gunner in addition to both their own ammunition, and the gunner's own load.

[Totulga]

Remember that riflemen each carry 100-200 rounds of ammunition for the SAW gunner in addition to both their own ammunition, and the gunner's own load.

Still puts the rifleman at less weight than the SAW gunner.

[Imperializt Russia]

Still have to find space for two hundred round belts. Space which a dozen and a half loaded magazines take up.
You're right, dirt will ingress into magazines and weapons. It'd do that whether you were loading 2 magazines from stripper clips or brought 20 loaded. It'll do it whether the weapon is loaded or not. You can also misfeed magazines and other fuck about with your weapon with pre-loaded mags from combat stress. Get used to it.

It's also worth noting that FN FAL cannot directly take stripper clips. Stripper clip-accepting upper covers were certainly not a standard feature, and so far as I'm aware it exists solely as an aftermarket part by DSArms.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

[*geblurg*

I swear, at this rate you'll soon be tied with Puz for most informative poster.

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How is this coming along?

One could argue that the pistol is a tad superfluous, but that's neither here nor there. Too, I personally feel that three RPG warheads and twelve magazines are a bit much for Standard McGrunt, but I really am certainly no expert.

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*meh*

As others have said, they do seem rather overladen, the poor beasties. I will once again claim that pistols and magazines are rather superfluous, although it could be seen as somewhat detrimental given that you've chosen such a weighty bastard as the USP 45 Tac. Further, I'd have to agree with the rest of the thread in that your truppers have far too many loaded magazines. I mean, ten is kind of iffy, but sixteen is likely not happening. I'll be honest, I'm a fat bloke, and I don't think even I could get eight magazine pouches across my expansive girth. Too, you still need space on your vest for the host of other goodies you'll be carrying.

What else. . . well, I doubt your machine gunner would be needing to carry 'nades, given his largely stationary role. Your grenadier carrying a fully blinged out combat rifle and full load of ammunition on top of an XM25 with its full load of hyper 'nades seems beyond hilarious. Same goes for the "AT Rifleman." PzF 3s are heavy bastards, as I recall.

Well if you see here: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=343097 I'm actually using all custom weapons that are based off of real world designs. For this thread I'm just posting their rough RL equivalents in order to reduce confusion. I wan't people to critique the squad organization and choice of equipment rather than the specifics of the equipment itself.

The magazine on your shotgat looks like it'd be a pain to carry in a pouch or so. Just saying.

[Democratic Socialist Republic Segentova]

-Luger business in general-

GO FONDLE A BLOODY HAMSTER AND DRY HUMP YOU UNCLE'S TURTLE YOU INBREED SQUIRREL FACED, PEA AND CHICKEN POT PIE BRAINED, SON OF A BLUEBERRY STUFFED CROISSANT!

It's a carbine by the way though the term for what can be or is a sniper rifles has been questioned many times before.

If you want to be a Neo-pre-Great War, Neo-Great War, Neo-World War 2, or Neo-Early Cold War I'm fine with that but Lugers are absolute wastes of time, resources, space, skill, and lives in terms of ANY military use at all. I've held a few and they feel like shit, they aim like shit. can't shoot for shit, and you won't be able to load a magazine worth shit.

It's a terrible weapon and serves only as a show piece that jams no matter the maintenance and care you put on it. If you really want to be special take a basic Nambu with basic Glock like modifications.

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-Jungle Equipment Question-

Lots of water canteens, Dry food in lots of mini packets, Some form of poncho or raincoat, A utility knife/blade, 5.56 Carbines/Bullpups, Strong boots, Multiple Radio/Communication things, Flashlights, Flares, Camping Stuffs, Hope, Etc.

1. I know that's a picture of a carbine! BUT, a BIPOD and SCOPE (Doesn't that remind you of something?!)
2. And i'd just like something with a toggle-locking action, it's a HANDGUN (meaning it won't be used much, and onlyfrom time to time).

[Immoren]

Basically when it comes to "how many magazines is enough": Even thought modern ammo consumption is rash, troops still hopefully fight as part of larger unit, end leap frog enough, so that some units can always be being supplied. That and soldiers can still share their ammo, if someone uses more fire than the rest, or something like that.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Why does he need sixteen loaded magazines?

Errman a gunner. I for one support his lifestyle choices.

[Rhoderberg]

Why does he need sixteen loaded magazines?

Why don't you need 16 loaded magazines?

It's also worth noting that FN FAL cannot directly take stripper clips. Stripper clip-accepting upper covers were certainly not a standard feature, and so far as I'm aware it exists solely as an aftermarket part by DSArms.

I'm pretty sure Commonwealth-pattern FALs were capable of accepting stripper clips.

[Ulfr-Reich]

Why does he need sixteen loaded magazines?

Why don't you need 16 loaded magazines?

It's also worth noting that FN FAL cannot directly take stripper clips. Stripper clip-accepting upper covers were certainly not a standard feature, and so far as I'm aware it exists solely as an aftermarket part by DSArms.

I'm pretty sure commonwealth-pattern FALs were capable of accepting stripper clips.

Well, glorious Canadian FALs were/are.

[Rhoderberg]

Why don't you need 16 loaded magazines?


I'm pretty sure commonwealth-pattern FALs were capable of accepting stripper clips.

Well, glorious Canadian FALs were/are.

Canada is part of the Commonwealth m8.

In any case, it looks like I have a new addition to the FAL folder.

[Ulfr-Reich]

Well, glorious Canadian FALs were/are.

Canada is part of the Commonwealth m8.

In any case, it looks like I have a new addition to the FAL folder.

Canada is the most ameribro part of the Commonwealth. In all seriousness though, I was looking up L1A1's and didn't find any other commonwealth manufactured FALs designed for stripper clips.

[Rhoderberg]

Canada is part of the Commonwealth m8.

In any case, it looks like I have a new addition to the FAL folder.

Canada is the most ameribro part of the Commonwealth. In all seriousness though, I was looking up L1A1's and didn't find any other commonwealth manufactured FALs designed for stripper clips.

Well, I've been wrong before.

At least Canada knows what's good, though.

[Ulfr-Reich]

Canada is the most ameribro part of the Commonwealth. In all seriousness though, I was looking up L1A1's and didn't find any other commonwealth manufactured FALs designed for stripper clips.

Well, I've been wrong before.

At least Canada knows what's good, though.

Indeed they do.

[Rhoderberg]

Well, I've been wrong before.

At least Canada knows what's good, though.

Indeed they do.

C1A2 a best.

Remove inferior automatic rifles from the premises.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

The QBB-95 would like a word.

[Tulacia]

All this talk of "stripper clips", what is it exactly.

I don't feel like searching on Google for fear of it taking "stripper clips" and linking NSFW videos...

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Clip of stripping

[Tulacia]

Clip of stripping

Oh, that. I didn't know that was what that was called. How does it work in a modern rifle? It was quite easy to use for WWII and WWI weapons like the Garand and Kar98k, but those didn't have true magazines.

[Imperializt Russia]

Clip of stripping

Oh, that. I didn't know that was what that was called. How does it work in a modern rifle? It was quite easy to use for WWII and WWI weapons like the Garand and Kar98k, but those didn't have true magazines.

Well, they did have magazines. The Garand's was weird, that I'll grant you.

They worked in those weapons (where they were equally known as "chargers" for the loading of internal magazines) much the same way one loads a magazine with them. Rather than loading the cartridges by hand, a stripper clip will typically hold 5, 10, or 15 cartridges. One inserts the clip into the top of the magazine and "strips" the cartridges from the clip, by inserting them into the magazine.
The term "speedloader" might help the image.

[Tulacia]

Oh, that. I didn't know that was what that was called. How does it work in a modern rifle? It was quite easy to use for WWII and WWI weapons like the Garand and Kar98k, but those didn't have true magazines.

Well, they did have magazines. The Garand's was weird, that I'll grant you.

They worked in those weapons (where they were equally known as "chargers" for the loading of internal magazines) much the same way one loads a magazine with them. Rather than loading the cartridges by hand, a stripper clip will typically hold 5, 10, or 15 cartridges. One inserts the clip into the top of the magazine and "strips" the cartridges from the clip, by inserting them into the magazine.
The term "speedloader" might help the image.

Makes sense. It sounds like it makes it so much easier to load a magazine, why isn't it used very much?

[Imperializt Russia]

It is.

It's just not used often to load a magazine that's already loaded in a weapon. I assume mostly because of dirt ingress concerns or lack of perceived need.

[Dostanuot Loj]

The QBB-95 would like a word.

Akwardpup is akward.
And unfun.

C2A1 master race.

[Ulfr-Reich]

The QBB-95 would like a word.

Literally more hideous than the FAMAS.